$77.50 Raffle Spots for Beautiful One of a Kind Ginacue!!!

[junksecret]

I am sad to say I have chosen to end this raffle. I was excited, as I know were all the participants, to see this beautiful cue end up in someone's hands for $77.50

I thought it would fill quickly, and certainly started like a "house on fire" but it appears to have slowed to a crawl. Perhaps there aren't 100 people who want to throw $77.50 at a 1:100 chance to win this cue.

My attorney, who I mentioned this raffle to in passing has been "all over" me about it as well. Here is a small excerpt from his last email to me regarding the "grayness" of the law in California regarding these raffles. I pay him handsomely for his advice, and probably shouldn't ignore it:

Penal Code Sec.319.

A lottery is any scheme for the disposal or distribution of property by chance, among persons who have paid or promised to pay any valuable consideration for the chance of obtaining such property or a portion of it, or for any share or any interest in such property, upon any agreement, understanding, or expectation that it is to be distributed or disposed of by lot or chance, whether called a lottery, raffle, or gift enterprise, or by whatever name the same may be known.

Penal Code Sec. 320.

Every person who contrives, prepares, sets up, proposes, or draws any lottery, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

So, given these factors I have chosen to end the auction. All monies received by me so
far have been via PayPal, and I will refund them all immediately (DONE).

I know some, including myself, had an emotional investment in this, and I apologize to any who feel slighted.

Joe



01-p1noy
02
03-almarktool-PAID-REFUNDED
04-almarktool-PAID-REFUNDED
05-jamesu
06-henny haha-PAID-REFUNDED
07-almartool-PAID-REFUNDED
08-monto p2
09-avmaster
10-jager monster
11-nwtflogan
12-highlanduh
13-almarktool-PAID-REFUNDED
14-nwtflogan
15-subsonic2u
16
17-subsonic2u
18-poolhustler
19-hardball-PAID-REFUNDED
20-c and c
21-kvinbrwr
22-je54
23-jager monster
24-8-baller
25-burns420
26-waldo's-PAID-REFUNDED
27-hangemhigh
28-losososcues
29
30
31-brandoncook26
32-birk1
33
34
35-jforney36
36
37-ou bird
38-nthamix
39
40
41-zeek
42-scottr-PAID-REFUNDED
43-hal-PAID-REFUNDED
44-vijesh-PAID-REFUNDED
45-turbo
46-dukeofdbq
47-vijesh-PAID-REFUNDED
48-rocket354
49-mdavis228
50
51-avmaster
52-subdude1974
53-danktrees
54-subdude1974
55-12squared-PAID-REFUNDED
56
57-henny haha-PAID-REFUNDED
58-rocket354
59-arbey007
60
61-hardball
62-ak-stick-PAID-REFUNDED
63-bigjohn
64-bpg24
65
66-magix-PAID-REFUNDED
67-scruffy1
68-tomspoolrm-PAID-REFUNDED
69-nwtflugan
70-poolhustler
71
72-angrypanda
73
74
75
76-billbok-PAID-REFUNDED
77-c and c
78-kvinbrwr (for "Duck")
79
80-p1noy
81
82
83
84
85-vijesh-PAID-REFUNDED
86-poolhustler
87
88
89
90
91
92-scottr-PAID-REFUNDED
93
94
95
96-je54
97
98
99
00-vijesh-PAID-REFUNDED

[kvinbrwr]

I just spent that much to fill my Honda gas tank and would be overjoyed to own this cue. I'm in. I really hope there's enough interest to sell the tickets out.

No 21 please for now. I'll probably be back for more.

Joe thanks for offering this fabulous cue this way. What a trip it would be owning it for the cost of a tank of gas.

I want it!

Kevin

[nwtflogan]

ill take 14 and 69

[almarktool]

I will take 03 04 07 and 13


Thanks
Mark

[jasonlaus]

very nice cue. good luck.

[Monto P2]

i ll take number 8

[Jager Monster]

23 and 10 please.

Thanks

[tsw_521]

Wow, monster cue. Good luck with the raffle.

[8-Baller]

I'll take #24

[Pii]

I just spent that much to fill my Honda gas tank and would be overjoyed to own this cue. I'm in. I really hope there's enough interest to sell the tickets out.

No 21 please for now. I'll probably be back for more.

Joe thanks for offering this fabulous cue this way. What a trip it would be owning it for the cost of a tank of gas.

I want it!

Kevin

Looks like those high gas prices are good for something! :D

This is going to be one monster raffle

[kvinbrwr]

Looks like those high gas prices are good for something! :D

This is going to be one monster raffle

I've seen this cue and hit balls with it and it is an ivory monster one-of-one Ginacue. I have a new Gina coming (this week!) and would love adding Joe's to my budding Gina collection.

[junksecret]

Put me down for #24

Thanks

BPG,

Please choose another #, 8-Baller took # 24 in the post just before yours.

Thanks,

Joe

[kvinbrwr]

Joe

Duck wants 78 please.

Looks like this thing has a chance of filling up!!!

Kevin

[nwtflogan]

Dont Forget I Want 69 Also!

[junksecret]

Dont Forget I Want 69 Also!

We ALL want.....(nevermind).....:)

Corrected, thanks and GOOD LUCK!

[hangemhigh]

I'm in #27 please.

[Waldo's]

put me down for # 26 Thank You!!!!

[8-Baller]

Oh, sorry about that.

i will take 64 instead


I can switch with you if you want....
But then again, you'd be kicking yourself if 64 got drawn and vice versa.

Maybe it's better to avoid that situation..... :p

[kvinbrwr]

I'm in #27 please.

16 subscribers in a little more than an hour. What's the over/under on subscribers at this time tomorrow? 40 ??

Kevin

[jasonlaus]

16 subscribers in a little more than an hour. What's the over/under on subscribers at this time tomorrow? 40 ??

Kevin
over 80 maybe full

[kvinbrwr]

over 80 maybe full

Wow. I haven't been watching all the raffles. When I first saw the post I didn't think the deal would fill up enough to happen but it sure seems like it could now. Once it gets to 70, the existing subscribers would for sure buy up the rest of the chances.

[avmaster]

I'm in for number 51..........

[LosOsosCues]

I will take 28 if not taken yet thanks

[AngryPanda]

Its worth a shot #72 please

[brandoncook26]

I'll take #31 please

[Henny HaHa]

I'll take "06" and "57"

[nwtflogan]

give me 11 too what the heck!

[Rocket354]

Hi, I'll take 48 and 58, please.

[Danktrees]

i'll take 53

[Subsonic2u]

*I'll take 15 and 17

Charlie

[nwtflogan]

bump for alot of fun!

[Bigjohn]

# 63 Please

[Hal]

Only giving 48 hours for people to make payment is a little hasty IMO. Some people don't have paypal and will have to mail a money order or whatever. I think postmarked within 5 to 7 days is more appropriate.

Other than that, all is good.

I'll take #43

[nwtflogan]

nah i think most here have paypal or know someone that does!!! makes it honest for all and serious, or jus sign up for paypal if you dont got it you got plenty of time! right?

[magix]

it does my heart good to see the same people who bitiiiiiiiiiiihed about raffels sign on.i'll take # 66.oh, you know who you are. thanks again for the magix

[8-Baller]

it does my heart good to see the same people who bitiiiiiiiiiiihed about raffels sign on.....


Can't let you guys have all the fun, ya know? As for me, I was merely pointing out the legal grey area these raffles fall in. I never once mentioned that I don't dab into grey areas every now and then..... :p

Donald

[nwtflogan]

lol!!!! gotta luv it! cmon lets get this filled!!!

[Hal]

I've never complained about raffles. Although I do think they should be reserved for special items such as this.

[scruffy1]

count me in for #67!!

[nwtflogan]

alot of guys cant afford a high end cue like this or the southwest that is goin now, this is a great deal for some and yes its a gamble but most blow money on alot of crap and have no chance at anything like this!!! its a great idea no matter what the seller gets as long as the odds are reasonable for all ! IMHO

[kvinbrwr]

Only giving 48 hours for people to make payment is a little hasty IMO. Some people don't have paypal and will have to mail a money order or whatever. I think postmarked within 5 to 7 days is more appropriate.

Other than that, all is good.

I'll take #43

I figure to PayPal myself, but as soon as one sees that it is going to get filled, one could send the Money Order and take care of that problem.

Kevin

[ou_bird]

I'll take #37

[ScottR]

I'll take 42 and 92.

Woo-Hoo!! I'm gonna win a SW and Gina within a couple of weeks. SUH-WEET!!! :D

[poolhustler]

Hi Joe,

Put me down for 18 and 86.

Thanks,

Russ.....

[Zeek]

I'll take a shot

#41 please

[tomspoolrm]

ill take 68 please

[vijesh]

Hiya i want 47 and 00.

[vijesh]

Hi can/will this cue be internationally shipped....

Thanks
Vijesh

[GoTulane]

Hi can/will this cue be internationally shipped....

Thanks
Vijesh
If not, once you win it, you can just have it sent to me to test hit, package up, and ship to you:D

Michael

[junksecret]

Hi can/will this cue be internationally shipped....

Thanks
Vijesh

I will happily bear the cost of shipping and insurance BUT since many countries have an issue with ivory "clearing customs", I will only be able to provide proof that I shipped it insured. I can't guarantee it will get through customs. If you are willing to assume those risks, I will use whatever reasonable method you choose.

Thanks and GOOD LUCK!

Joe

[DukeofDBQ]

I'll take 46.

[AK-Stick]

I'll take number 62.

[vijesh]

Sure thing michale..... hahhhah if i win this cue i'd probably come over with the losses which i have made in buying and selling cues....hahhahahah

[billbOK]

I'll take the #76 please ;)

[vijesh]

Money sent

[subdude1974]

#54. thanks.

[Jamesu]

I'll take #5

[JE54]

Joe,
As I told you before, that is one nice cue.

Put JE54 down for #'s 22 & 96.
Thanks,
John

[poolhustler]

To those on the fence, I have personally hit with this cue. The craftsmanship and beuaty are INCREDIBLE !!!! Sign up for a number now and lets get this beauty in new hands (preferably mine...:D ).

As Joe and Kevn will attest, I couldn't make a ball with this cue. Not the cues fault. I was soooo nervous that I might drop it, I quickly missed a few balls and handed it back to Joe!!!

Russ.....

[Birk1]

I'll take spot 32

Ryan

[kvinbrwr]

To those on the fence, I have personally hit with this cue. The craftsmanship and beuaty are INCREDIBLE !!!! Sign up for a number now and lets get this beauty in new hands (preferably mine...:D ).

As Joe and Kevn will attest, I couldn't make a ball with this cue. Not the cues fault. I was soooo nervous that I might drop it, I quickly missed a few balls and handed it back to Joe!!!

Russ.....

Russ

Joe agrees with you. He doesn't like "worrying" about his cue when playing, that's why he's selling it and Ernie is just about done with Joe's new, plainer, Ginacue. Joe feels this cue is for a collector and he doesn't see himself as one, however, at these prices, I would totally play with this monster (and will when I win this raffle).

I play GREAT (for me) with Joe's cue. It inspired me to order my new Gina (almost done also).

Kevin

[junksecret]

Only giving 48 hours for people to make payment is a little hasty IMO. Some people don't have paypal and will have to mail a money order or whatever. I think postmarked within 5 to 7 days is more appropriate.

Other than that, all is good.

I'll take #43

Hal,

I think I have addressed this and other concerns in my latest addition to post #1.

I will be posting all information pertinent to this raffle in post #1 so that people won't need to "wade" through this thread for information.

We are off to a great start with 48 of the spots full in exactly 24 hours!

For those that haven't, please check post #1 for all raffle related info.

Thanks Hal for your participation and GOOD LUCK to ALL!

Joe

[JFORNEY36]

I'll take # 35

[Henny HaHa]

Joe,
Payment sent for two spots #06 and #57
Thanks!

[scruffy1]

Cmon people. were halfway there!!

[tsw_521]

Cmon people. were halfway there!!

He can run the raffle now and give the winner half a cue! :p

[Arbey007]

Put me up for #59

[poolhustler]

Joe,

Are you taking money now?? Or, waiting until all the spots are filled??

Do you want only pay pal? Or, can I just give you the cash next time I see you?

I don't have a problem with either as I am confident that all the spots will fill!!!

Russ....

[junksecret]

Joe,

Are you taking money now?? Or, waiting until all the spots are filled??

Do you want only pay pal? Or, can I just give you the cash next time I see you?

I don't have a problem with either as I am confident that all the spots will fill!!!

Russ....

Russ,

I am not REQUIRING payment until 48 hours after the raffle fills, but some people are choosing to pay early, for a variety of reasons.

I "prefer" paypal because the record keeping is clear and if for any reason the raffle doesn't produce a winner, I can refund out of paypal with no fees to either party.

That being said, you may pay however you choose and whenever you choose, as long as it is received no later than 48 hours after the auction fills.

Good luck buddy!

Joe

[turbo]

I'd like spot 45 please.

Thank you.

[12squared]

I'll take #55 if still available

Dave

[nthamix]

38

thanks...


B.:)

[Henny HaHa]

He can run the raffle now and give the winner half a cue! :p
Yeah!! Just the shaft.
He can send the rest to me!!!!:D :D

[Henny HaHa]

Put me up for #59

There you are! I knew you could't hold out for long.:p
Gorgeous cue ain't it!!!!!!!!!!

[Arbey007]

hahaha...i participated as soon as i saw your name up there...yea its a gorgeous cue.

[p1noy]

I'll take 01 and 80

[hangemhigh]

Saturday night, baby!!!

[poolhustler]

Joe,

Give me # 70 also !!!!!

Thanks,

Russ

[junksecret]

Joe,

Give me # 70 also !!!!!

Thanks,

Russ

Russ,

You know, you can bump the thread WITHOUT buying another spot...but I do appreciate it....:)

Joe

[avmaster]

Ok, I'm greedy........ Ginacue.... the holy grail.... give me number "9" also... If I win this my friend Larry will sh$$t himself........... Ernie made his cue in the 70's.......................

[mdavis228]

I'll take #49.

[burns420]

ill take #25

[vijesh]

Hiya I need 44 and 85 aswell....

[Henny HaHa]

Hiya I need 44 and 85 aswell....
O.K. Mr. Greedy you just won the SW you don't need this one too!!!!:D :D :p

Oh by the way, CONGRADULATIONS!!!! Want to sell it?? I'll even let you make a 100% profit on me!!!:D :D Just Kidding!

[vijesh]

Hey mike, sure thats wha a man becomes, greedy, always asking for more ...naaa wanted to buy 2 more since yesterday it self was just waiting for other seats to fill in... thanks...

[poolhustler]

Russ,

You know, you can bump the thread WITHOUT buying another spot...but I do appreciate it....:)

Joe

Damn....now you tell me.......:D

I figure the more spots I take the better my chances. I can't let Kevin win this cue over me or I will be really PISSED !!! lol

Russ.....

[subdude1974]

put me in for 52 also.

[JE54]

Thursday morning bump

[junksecret]

I will be "out of touch" until about 3PM PDT, and will update any activity at that time, thanks & GOOD LUCK to all....over 60 spots filled....WHEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Joe

[c and c]

I will take #20 and #77.

[DukeofDBQ]

Joe -

I read the thread but did not see how you would select the date from which you would get the winning number. Will it be the date which occurs 48 hours after the last number is taken?? May I suggest you post to the thread when all numbers are taken and then announce the future date that will be used.

[ScottR]

Payment sent for numbers 42 and 92. I will be out of pocket for a few days and didn't want to hold up the raffle if it fills during that time.

Scott

[ScottR]

Joe -

I read the thread but did not see how you would select the date from which you would get the winning number. Will it be the date which occurs 48 hours after the last number is taken?? May I suggest you post to the thread when all numbers are taken and then announce the future date that will be used.
If he runs it like I did my JMW raffle on jimboarmy.com, you wait until everyone is paid before selecting the raffle date. Non-payers can be replaced by stand-by's after a "reasonable" amount of time to pay.

[branpureza]

Man.... somebody is gonna win an $8000 cue for 75 bucks... this is gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see who gets it. Hurry up and buy those tickets!!! haha. Good luck everybody :)

[junksecret]

Joe -

I read the thread but did not see how you would select the date from which you would get the winning number. Will it be the date which occurs 48 hours after the last number is taken?? May I suggest you post to the thread when all numbers are taken and then announce the future date that will be used.

My intent is to have the raffle take place 48 hours after all spots are filled. I stated that in the 48 hours following the raffle spots filling I will attempt to get a few alternates who can buy any unpaid spots after the 48 hours period.

My hope is that all spots will be paid in that time frame and in fact, quite a few have chosen to pay already as you can see in the list in post #1.

I will make a clear announcement in post #1 of the status of payments, and of course I will announce the actual date of the "draw" as well.

I know all participants are anxious, as am I, so I have and will continue to do all I can to speed us to a conclusion with a winner....

Thanks to all and GOOD LUCK!!!

Joe

[junksecret]

Man.... somebody is gonna win an $8000 cue for 75 bucks... this is gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see who gets it. Hurry up and buy those tickets!!! haha. Good luck everybody :)

64 Spots have filled only 36 to RAFFLE-TIME!!!

Joe

[Highlanduh]

I'll take number 12.

[vijesh]

money sent

[HardBall]

Put me down for numbers 19 and 61.

What a beautiful cue!

[magix]

paid my money.let the magix begin.

[avmaster]

Buuummmmpppppp

[Waldo's]

back to the front and Waldo's has sent payment for the raffle. #26

Thanks

[poolhustler]

Bump to the top..... 33 spots left !!!!!!!

:)

[junksecret]

I have cancelled the raffle. Details @ the beginning of post #1.

Joe

[nwtflogan]

dam i was excited too and yes it did slow down, sorry to hear you decided to end it! best of luck and if you come up with some ther way to do it that wont cause ya greif ! im in!

[junksecret]

dam i was excited too and yes it did slow down, sorry to hear you decided to end it! best of luck and if you come up with some ther way to do it that wont cause ya greif ! im in!

Thanks for understanding, I hope the good Karma wins you your next one....:)

Joe

[avmaster]

One more example of government intrusion into our lives... they want thier slice of the pie.......... taxes.......crap...... thanks anyway.............

[junksecret]

One more example of government intrusion into our lives... they want thier slice of the pie.......... taxes.......crap...... thanks anyway.............



Thanks for understanding...

Joe

[robertno1pool]

Sorry to hear about your pulling the raffle.


(I was taking out a third mortgage on the house to buy some tickets - O.K. - maybe not.)

I was going to buy a few - but not nearly all that remained. Seems like these thing take off like fire at first, but I expect it would have taken a while for the last fifteen. Maybe you saved 99 of us some dust for beer.


Besides - you need to post some photos of both your New Ginacues together for us. Beautiful cue.

Best of luck.

:D

[junksecret]

Sorry to hear about your pulling the raffle.


(I was taking out a third mortgage on the house to buy some tickets - O.K. - maybe not.)

I was going to buy a few - but not nearly all that remained. Seems like these thing take off like fire at first, but I expect it would have taken a while for the last fifteen. Maybe you saved 99 of us some dust for beer.


Besides - you need to post some photos of both your New Ginacues together for us. Beautiful cue.

Best of luck.

:D

Actually, 33 remained. As for the NEW Gina it should be done early next week....I saw it today and it is, to me, the prettiest "plain jane" ever!

I'm sure I'll post pictures as soon as I get it.

Thanks again to ALL and good luck!!

[Hal]

You didn't receive the full $77.50 from everyone because Paypal took their part. Yet you had to refund the full $77.50. This raffle is going to end up costing you a few bucks. That's a shame.

[kvinbrwr]

You didn't receive the full $77.50 from everyone because Paypal took their part. Yet you had to refund the full $77.50. This raffle is going to end up costing you a few bucks. That's a shame.

Hal

If he uses PayPal's refund feature (which I'm sure he will), PayPal credits the buyer back the full payment amount and credits the seller back the fees (only deducting the seller's net from the seller's account) so it's a wash for both, no problem.

Kevin

[ScottR]

Dang! And, I was going to win, too...... ;)

For what it's worth, I completely understand you deciding to end the auction.

[kvinbrwr]

Yup, I get it too. I understand you ending it but I wish you hadn't because 21 was a winner.

Kevin

[kyelin]

What a shame.... I was gonna go for this baby....
If you ever relist the raffle... i am in! I am willing to go up to USD200...... hey...USD200 for a shot at USD7000+ cue.... that's a deal...

[avmaster]

Bring it back elsewhere and I'm freakin in........:cool:

[powerlineman80]

Its a shame the auction ended. I think eventually the spots would have filled up. 77.50 for that cue is one helluva deal.

As far as the law, I wouldnt worry about it. If I was in your shoes I'd do it since the cue market is so bad. I'm sure there is alot of cuemakers that fail to report 10K and up cash payments to the IRS as well (as I found out about this the hard way buying a car).

I say if you ban these auctions on here you'll never see another top dollar cue sell on here because nobody will get what they want for it (which is not fair to them).