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bluepepper
06-19-2008, 09:32 AM
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greenkill
06-19-2008, 11:57 AM
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tsw_521
06-19-2008, 12:06 PM
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Paul Dayton
06-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Yep. That looks good. Minimum effort, maximum results.

Steve Lipsky
06-19-2008, 03:39 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for starting with the 7-14, then moving to the 8/9-3-9/8. Note that it's best to shoot the 3 second in this group, so you can end with either the 8 or the 9, to then move easily to the 5. (Yes, you can get on the 5 from the 3 but it's not quite as natural...). Should be fairly routine to then, from the 5, get on the 11 with a perfect angle on the 13.

Sorry - don't have time to draw it out right now :).

The only reason I don't like starting with the 3 is that, in looking at the table, I don't agree with the earlier poster that you can hold position so easily for the 8. Therefore, there's no natural path once you make the 3 except for between the 7/13 (which, yes, is totally possible, but if you just slightly dog it you butcher the whole position).

- Steve

Jimmy M.
06-19-2008, 05:35 PM
I like starting out with Steve's suggestion also. Not sure if the rest of our patterns would be the same, but here's the first one that comes to my mind.

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Steve Lipsky
06-19-2008, 06:00 PM
I like starting out with Steve's suggestion also. Not sure if the rest of our patterns would be the same, but here's the first one that comes to my mind.


Hey Mr. M! That's exactly the same! :p

- Steve

bluepepper
06-19-2008, 11:28 PM
Good to have you back Steve. I agree with what you said. Here's just another possibility:

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mullyman
06-20-2008, 12:01 AM
The only shot that causes me any concern is that 11 in the side. Not sure if it's the safest play but you could shoot it in the upper corner too. On a table with forgiving pockets I don't mind shooting balls to the upper corners.
MULLY

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Gerry
06-20-2008, 03:17 AM
I might try 7-14-8-3-9-5-11 because the way I see it the 14 is actually a ball out on it's own with no great link to get rid of it. I like the 5 to set up the key ball 11 for getting on the breaker.

G.

Blackjack
06-20-2008, 05:48 AM
I was going to post what I would do, but tsw_521 posted it for me.

I'd also love to have greenkill's magic cue ball with the gold plated brake pedal.

:killingme:

No offense, green kill - just messing with you - also giving you some good rep !!!

tsw_521
06-20-2008, 08:27 AM
I was going to post what I would do, but tsw_521 posted it for me.

I'd also love to have greenkill's magic cue ball with the gold plated brake pedal.

:killingme:

No offense, green kill - just messing with you - also giving you some good rep !!!

Hah, glad to have some backup. Greenkill's awesome drag shot had me a little worried too, but otherwise it's a nice pattern.

I also like Steve/JimmyM's pattern. That one didn't occur to me at first.

Jimmy M.
06-20-2008, 08:35 AM
Hey Mr. M! That's exactly the same! :p

- Steve

I'd say, "great minds think alike", but I'm not sure you'd want your mind compared to mine. I know I wouldn't! :D

bluepepper
06-20-2008, 09:30 AM
Here's another:

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bluepepper
06-20-2008, 09:40 AM
And maybe this too:
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bluepepper
06-20-2008, 09:46 AM
Or this:
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