Who deleted my posts?

PoolSharkAllen said:
Although I would generally agree that the moderators do a good job in keeping this forum civil, I can think of one instance where the moderators were asleep at the wheel, so to speak.

Recently, a thread was opened by 'watchez' on "Young man with ACTION PAINS heading out West...." I had expressed my opinion on gambling, upon which watchez engaged in name-calling of me and other posters and expressed some of the most vicious insults that I have ever seen in this forum.

Among watchez's many insults:
- people with comprehension problems really irritate me.
- Now please don't get your pants all in a bunch again.
- I dont speak to morons more than once so please dont speak to me again.
- Please try to keep educating the rest of the comprehension deficit posters.
- I have never met Antonio Lining but I hope he is a person of a much better class then you are used to hanging around with if you are a friend of Jack Hynes.
- Oh and then, lastly I have to listen to the moronic railbirds put words in my mouth after they completely fail all aspects of comprehension.
- You are another one with a comprehension problem.
- If you want to make inane comments like gambling is bad or cannot comprehend what I type than I will try to correct you as I see fit. I see you, Allen, as a jealous old man of the way an 18 year old kid can play.
- And to Scott Lee and his poolknowledge website. Your comments are equally as inane.
- you are so weak. Your last post is probably the most pathetic thing I have ever read on this forum.
- I am also positive that many years ago, he was the fat kid on the bus that told on the other kids.

According to the rules of this forum:
"there will be no ad hominem attacks. No name calling nor insults. Disagreeing with someone is fine, but calling them an idiot because of their opinion is not. All posts will be kept civil."

Given watchez's flagrant violations of the rules of this forum, it is reasonable to ask why watchez's posts haven't been deleted and why he hasn't been banned from this forum?
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Who are you? Sammy The Bull?
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
Although I would generally agree that the moderators do a good job in keeping this forum civil, I can think of one instance where the moderators were asleep at the wheel, so to speak.

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Let me guess......you're trying to get on my "good side" ??

You missed this time.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Let me guess......you're trying to get on my "good side" ??

You missed this time.
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The guy is a new member... watchez & I have had our go arounds in the past... I can appreciate what the guy is saying... I've seen watchez call people names and be flat out rude to people at many uncalled for times. My reason for saying this is not to get into another "peeing" contest with watchez and at the present time have no beef with watchez. My point is... was this comment called for?? Up until this post, I had no desire or need to post in this thread but you've just proven a point that I made earlier in the week... yes, being a mod is a thankless job but when you make snide remarks to people, esp someone that's new and pointing out an obvious disregard for the "forum rules", how can you expect people to sympathize with how thankless the job is? Unwarranted comments like this simply make your job that much more difficult.

I didn't take the post as the guy giving you a hard time, I took the post as the guy pointing out that there is someone here that is doing something worse than some others around here....

FWIW, if I were new here and this happend to me... it would completely turn me off and I wouldn't be back.... some of us have been here longer and our skin is a little tougher, not to mention we've made friends so it's easier to stick around... why would a new person want to stick around after being treated like that from a mod?
 
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Timberly, my point is that despite watchez activities, he hasn't even posted in this thread. There is a time and a place for everything and this wasn't either for his post.

I do try and give people "enough rope", so to speak.

I also belive Watchez know where he stands at the moment.

In case people hadn't noticed, I've been working double time to get posters to act civil toward each other. I could have worded it better, but I do not need help in this manner. For the most part, I'm pretty aware of who is and who isn't looking for trouble.

I'm not eager to ban anyone, but there are a few people who are spoiling for attention. They will recieve thier due....in time.

So, please don't send smoke signals asking for posters to be punished, it makes whomever sends them look like a tattletale. It just doesn't look good.

Report bad posts in a timely fashion through the channels provided. Send me a PM with questions that you are just dying to know.....but please don't post in public "how come he....."

Ok?
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Let me guess......you're trying to get on my "good side" ??

You missed this time.
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Mr. Wilson: I'm not trying to get on your "good side." I am trying to bring watchez's violations of the forum rules to your attention. I sent two "Bad Posts" to you, as well as a PM, from which I've yet to hear back from you.

As I've indicated, a lot of watchez's postings in that particular thread have been vicious insults upon me and others, simply because we disagree with him. I think it's fair for me to ask why watchez's postings haven't been deleted?

Respectfully,
Allen
 
Sore_Aintya said:
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That is simply classic:)
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
Mr. Wilson: I'm not trying to get on your "good side." I am trying to bring watchez's violations of the forum rules to your attention. I sent two "Bad Posts" to you, as well as a PM, from which I've yet to hear back from you.

As I've indicated, a lot of watchez's postings in that particular thread have been vicious insults upon me and others, simply because we disagree with him. I think it's fair for me to ask why watchez's postings haven't been deleted?

Respectfully,
Allen
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Allen, you made a question about whether gambling was against the rules here, then informed me that it was against the spirit that the forums stood for. You're right...I declined to comment on your comment.

You went on further with a complaint that Watchez was out of line. I addressed it with him. As a rule of thumb, I don't report back to the complainee with my disciplinary actions against anyone.

Do you think that just because you report a post, it will disappear?



I'll add just one more item to this. You wanted me to address petty items right after I finished burying my Father.

I can assure you, I had other things to deal with at the moment.


Allen, I'd like to add that you have made a lot of solid contributions.
Maybe you can send me a PM explaining why you are still upset about what watchez wrote, since your last post on the topic was on 7/6.
Are there any other things to report that you would like me to look at?
 
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Mr. Wilson said:
Allen, you made a question about whether gambling was against the rules here, then informed me that it was against the spirit that the forums stood for. You're right...I declined to comment on your comment.
You decline to comment after someone does what you ask (report something....after you complained earlier in the week about how much of a pain in the rear it is to get complaints)
You went on further with a complaint that Watchez was out of line. I addressed it with him. As a rule of thumb, I don't report back to the complainee with my disciplinary actions against anyone.
It might be prudent to do so, privately...with the person that complained so that they're aware that the issue has been looked into...again, to ensure that posts like the one that you snipped at him for doesn't happen again.
Do you think that just because you report a post, it will disappear?
It appeared like he was asking for clarification. Someone's posts that weren't outside of the rules were deleted. A new person saw where someone that was outside of the rules and wasn't having to live by the same guidelines and questioned it. Perfectly ligitimate question IMO


I'll add just one more item to this. You wanted me to address petty items right after I finished burying my Father.

I can assure you, I had other things to deal with at the moment.

Are there any other things to report that you would like me to look at?
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Dave, as far as losing your father... I truly am sorry for your loss and I wish that on no one. I went through it a little over a yr ago myself.

How is this person to know that? Not everyone see's or reads every thread.

Point blank (this is simply my opinion) You dropped the ball on this one. You made an uncalled for snide remark as I stated earlier and your retort was to say (publicly) that this thread wasn't the place or time for this problem, that the person (NEW FORUM MEMEBER, might not be familiar with "the ways of the land" when it comes to forums mind you) should've reported it. Then this person points out that they had done that and was ignored. You again retort publicly against this person in an effort to not only embarass them but to make them feel bad. The right thing to do would've been to simply apologize to the guy for the 1st snide remark and then followed up privately to let him know that you have/had spoken to the person that he had complained about.

You're continuing to compound a problem that you started yourself by making an unwarranted snide remark. What if you were looking at an apartment to rent and you saw signs that said "no smoking in the club house" but yet people were smoking and when you asked the mgr about it, you got a smart alleck response? Right away you would be taken aback. Lets say you tried to further inquire about not only the rule but the way in which the mgr had just handled it and again, the mgr was rude... can you honestly say that you would even consider going back to look at or live at that property?? I'm taken aback at your treatment & way of handling this situation and I'm certainly more familiar with this place and the law of the land than this person is.

Maybe it's just me, but your response and handling of this situation with a new memeber who hasn't been a trouble maker just rubs me the wrong way.
 
Koop said:
My good buddy Smorgass Bored made some crap comments in a thread to which I responded. Nothing was out of line and yet it is gone.

Does this guy really have this much control over the board and why?
He deserved a lifetime ban for his comments made about OHB but instead he is protected and my posts are deleted. You have got to be kidding me.

I'm taking the bait I guess and will see if I get warning for even asking these questions.

What gives guys?
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I post this poem"Without Predudice";)


SmorgASSbored, oh SmorgASSbored,
Infuriates the hoard
Words deplored, words deplored
Insensitivity,was ah scored
A family floored, a family floored
He struck, a sickening chord
Tempers soared, tempers soared
Will never be ignored
I’m sorry lord, I’m sorry lord
Moderator of the board
Tears ah poured, tears ah poured
Smorg avoids the sword
Resentments stored, resentments stored
Disapproval is ah roared

Ban the faker, AZ ah shaker
Board forsaker, troublemaker
Over the coals a raker
Who just can’t taker
Not like our buddy, Drivermaker:D

RJ

ps.
Sorry Smorg,but I sure didn't like how you dissed my good friend Timberly last week.:mad:
 
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Mr. Wilson said:
Do you think that just because you report a post, it will disappear?

I'll add just one more item to this. You wanted me to address petty items right after I finished burying my Father.

I can assure you, I had other things to deal with at the moment.

Allen, I'd like to add that you have made a lot of solid contributions.
Maybe you can send me a PM explaining why you are still upset about what watchez wrote, since your last post on the topic was on 7/6.
Are there any other things to report that you would like me to look at?
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Dave: I would first like to express my condolences at your father's passing away. Certainly your family matters take precedence over the "petty items" in these forums, and in that sense the timing of watchez's thread was unfortunate in that he might have gotten away with much more than he would have otherwise.

In this particular thread, Koop wondered why some of his postings have disappeared. There does appear to be some ambiguity as to why some posts that contain insulting comments are deleted, whereas others remain. In the case of watchez's insulting comments, I would have thought that the numerous examples I provided earlier in this thread were self-explanatory.

I stopped responding to watchez's posts on 7/6 as this isn't worth the stress and the aggravation. I'm here to have fun but that doesn't mean that I'm going to let watchez romp all over me and others with his insults.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
I'm here to have fun but that doesn't mean that I'm going to let watchez romp all over me and others with his insults.
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Allen, give it some time. I really am working on it.

Unfortunately, it is you that have the brunt of it for now.

Trust me, that will change.

For context, you need to understand that the following post was made prior to this response.

Dave
 
Guys, it's really begining to look like I need to start coming down on people so they feel the rules matter.

The board has been a bit shaky for the last couple of weeks and ever though it has settled some, there are still waves that are being made.

I'll ask this question seriously.

Is this what everyone wants?

Results?

Rude ( left to my interpretation and mood ) comments getting a warning and three strike yer out?

Add to that, people want validation that thier complaints are addressed publicly.

Since the people who complain deserve to know that action was taken, would it not be just as fair to tell the person who got warned, who complained about them?

How "fair" does everyone want it to get? Everyone painted with the same brush?

....or should I be allowed to use the liberty of judgement calls or strictly enforce the rules?

Let's hear it.
 
Well, I don't really post that much, but I lurk more than probably most. I honestly have to say that I think you are a little too controlling Mr. Wilson. Just my opinion.
 
To AZhousepro and Mr. Wilson-

I think that arguments and insults are inevitable on any internet forum. Even if rules are made not to, people will get heated, because some people can make subtle comments about something, and it can really insult someone. For example, in the NPR forums regarding politics. Say a conservative makes a thread about how liberals are wrong on an issue (and vice versa), and includes a little jab at liberals in the post. It would obviously be silly to delete a post because of a small 'jab' that someone made, but that small 'jab' can really make the other side angry.

I have a solution. Make an alternate forum section for arguments threads. All threads that have arguments that are starting to get heated, just move them to that section. Put a sticky post up top as a warning, explaining that making threats, etc. will get you banned, but let people argue and insult all they want. That will separate the rest of the forum for people who don't want to get involved. I've noticed that alot of unsuspecting posters have gotten drawn into arguments and insults, because they were just making fun of the situation, trying to lighten things up.

I really think this would save the moderators and other people from alot of headaches.

Anyone else think this is a good idea? Thoughts please.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
To AZhousepro and Mr. Wilson-

I think that arguments and insults are inevitable on any internet forum. Even if rules are made not to, people will get heated, because some people can make subtle comments about something, and it can really insult someone. For example, in the NPR forums regarding politics. Say a conservative makes a thread about how liberals are wrong on an issue (and vice versa), and includes a little jab at liberals in the post. It would obviously be silly to delete a post because of a small 'jab' that someone made, but that small 'jab' can really make the other side angry.

I have a solution. Make an alternate forum section for arguments threads. All threads that have arguments that are starting to get heated, just move them to that section. Put a sticky post up top as a warning, explaining that making threats, etc. will get you banned, but let people argue and insult all they want. That will separate the rest of the forum for people who don't want to get involved. I've noticed that alot of unsuspecting posters have gotten drawn into arguments and insults, because they were just making fun of the situation, trying to lighten things up.

I really think this would save the moderators and other people from alot of headaches.

Anyone else think this is a good idea? Thoughts please.
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ABSOLUTELY!!!!! This was done on a star wars board i use to frequent. They called it the Geonosis Arena. Anytime two or more people started butting heads they would take it there. It kept the main forum clean and moving forward. Everyone wins if this is done. The people that find heated and mature debate offensive are happy to get rid of the riff raff, while the people that feel they need to let it all out for what ever reason or settle there score with another poster are happy as well. I love the idea! Nothing wrong with good hard debate IMO. Put a warning up like CUE suggested and no one should be offended by it. If its not your cup of tea, dont enter, its that simple.:)
 
cuetechasaurus said:
To AZhousepro and Mr. Wilson-

I think that arguments and insults are inevitable on any internet forum. Even if rules are made not to, people will get heated, because some people can make subtle comments about something, and it can really insult someone. For example, in the NPR forums regarding politics. Say a conservative makes a thread about how liberals are wrong on an issue (and vice versa), and includes a little jab at liberals in the post. It would obviously be silly to delete a post because of a small 'jab' that someone made, but that small 'jab' can really make the other side angry.

I have a solution. Make an alternate forum section for arguments threads. All threads that have arguments that are starting to get heated, just move them to that section. Put a sticky post up top as a warning, explaining that making threats, etc. will get you banned, but let people argue and insult all they want. That will separate the rest of the forum for people who don't want to get involved. I've noticed that alot of unsuspecting posters have gotten drawn into arguments and insults, because they were just making fun of the situation, trying to lighten things up.

I really think this would save the moderators and other people from alot of headaches.

Anyone else think this is a good idea? Thoughts please.
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I think you got something here Cuetechasaurus! More bad rep for you!!:D
 
cuetechasaurus said:
To AZhousepro and Mr. Wilson-

I think that arguments and insults are inevitable on any internet forum. Even if rules are made not to, people will get heated, because some people can make subtle comments about something, and it can really insult someone. For example, in the NPR forums regarding politics. Say a conservative makes a thread about how liberals are wrong on an issue (and vice versa), and includes a little jab at liberals in the post. It would obviously be silly to delete a post because of a small 'jab' that someone made, but that small 'jab' can really make the other side angry.

I have a solution. Make an alternate forum section for arguments threads. All threads that have arguments that are starting to get heated, just move them to that section. Put a sticky post up top as a warning, explaining that making threats, etc. will get you banned, but let people argue and insult all they want. That will separate the rest of the forum for people who don't want to get involved. I've noticed that alot of unsuspecting posters have gotten drawn into arguments and insults, because they were just making fun of the situation, trying to lighten things up.

I really think this would save the moderators and other people from alot of headaches.

Anyone else think this is a good idea? Thoughts please.
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I disagree. I think the moderators already do this on the main forum. They let a lot of stuff go already, which is fine. If people want to have a pi*sing contest, let them do it somewhere else. Lots of people like reading the flames, but we don't need another forum for it. JMO.
 
JDB said:
I disagree. I think the moderators already do this on the main forum. They let a lot of stuff go already, which is fine. If people want to have a pi*sing contest, let them do it somewhere else. Lots of people like reading the flames, but we don't need another forum for it. JMO.
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Not trying to start an argument HERE, but you completely contradicted yourself in what you just wrote.
 
JDB said:
I disagree. I think the moderators already do this on the main forum. They let a lot of stuff go already, which is fine. If people want to have a pi*sing contest, let them do it somewhere else. Lots of people like reading the flames, but we don't need another forum for it. JMO.
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Dave and Mike do a great job. It's hard babysitting all of us 24/7.

Cuetechasaurus has a good idea, in this case the thread stays, only in a different section and they thread can go basically unsupervised as long as no threats or hateful name calling are administered.
 
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