I believe he spent more time this year making cues than he has in the past. I think if he had the choice he would rather be playing more events. He isn't the first pro to complain about how bad those balls play on az. I was hoping the BCA wouldn't bring them back in 2014 but they did.
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I believe he spent more time this year making cues than he has in the past. I think if he had the choice he would rather be playing more events. He isn't the first pro to complain about how bad those balls play on az. I was hoping the BCA wouldn't bring them back in 2014 but they did.
Chris...A witness to the shot that Putnam missed, that this whole uproar is about, positively said that Putnam DOGGED IT. According to him it was not the Cyclop balls, it was Shawn Putnam just flat missed, apparently from shooting too hard!
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One of the hottest topics of debate in pro tennis for the last several years
So are poorly designed pool balls the answer?
What pros say has very little to do with generating potential sponsors.
What does make a difference in raising money?
Business plan
Demographics
TV Schedule
Professional Marketing Strategy
Professional Advertising Plan
Rules Changes to bring out the best of the game
Eliminate the gaff equipment (magic racks, Cyclops Balls, jump cues, fast cloth etc)
Tennis actually changed the size and weight of tennis balls***. Some players were upset, however it made no difference, most of the general public wasn't even aware.
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One of the hottest topics of debate in pro tennis for the last several years has been whether to and how to slow the game down, especially the men's game on fast courts such as grass. As the average size of pro players and the power of their racquets has increased, so have serve speeds, and the result has been many more short points dominated by the server. For many fans, this makes tennis less fun to watch. Proposals for slowing the game have included a one-serve rule and even a reversion to wooden racquets, but the ITF has opted for the less drastic measure of trying a slower ball.
So are poorly designed pool balls the answer?
What pros say has very little to do with generating potential sponsors.
What does make a difference in raising money?
Business plan
Demographics
TV Schedule
Professional Marketing Strategy
Professional Advertising Plan
Rules Changes to bring out the best of the game
Eliminate the gaff equipment (magic racks, Cyclops Balls, jump cues, fast cloth etc)
Tennis actually changed the size and weight of tennis balls***. Some players were upset, however it made no difference, most of the general public wasn't even aware.
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One of the hottest topics of debate in pro tennis for the last several years has been whether to and how to slow the game down, especially the men's game on fast courts such as grass. As the average size of pro players and the power of their racquets has increased, so have serve speeds, and the result has been many more short points dominated by the server. For many fans, this makes tennis less fun to watch. Proposals for slowing the game have included a one-serve rule and even a reversion to wooden racquets, but the ITF has opted for the less drastic measure of trying a slower ball.
Terry...Guess what? People actually CAN fix vehicles with a crescent wrench and a couple of screwdrivers! We call them competent professional mechanics. Apparently (some) professional poolplayers don't fall under the same competency description! LOL
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Heres the Putnam facebook comment about college grads being parasites. He was always a bit of a douche. This cements it for me.
Shawn Putnam -I hate these parasites on here that get a guaranteed paycheck every week and then criticize the Pro's for wanting great equipment to play with. U parasites have went to college for 4 years to obtain the skills for your job that u hate. We have been perfecting our skills for over 20 years to try and make money at a job we love.
I played DCC last year with Cyclop balls. On the slick ultra tight new cloth in air conditioning the balls definitely play badly. The cueball finish is so slick. They skid easily and will tail off at the end of their roll. If they are a major sponsor you just have to deal with it .
Shawn Putnam -I hate these parasites on here that get a guaranteed paycheck every week and then criticize the Pro's for wanting great equipment to play with. U parasites have went to college for 4 years to obtain the skills for your job that u hate. We have been perfecting our skills for over 20 years to try and make money at a job we love.
I played DCC last year with Cyclop balls. On the slick ultra tight new cloth in air conditioning the balls definitely play badly. The cueball finish is so slick. They skid easily and will tail off at the end of their roll. If they are a major sponsor you just have to deal with it .
Notice the 6 and 7 ball in the Centennial Set.......priceless.....
Speaking of messed up pool balls, whatever happened to the "Elephant Balls," they were really atrocious.
Brunswick Centennials have always been the best pool balls.....without a doubt. They look fantastic and they're playability is beyond reproach.
Notice the 6 and 7 ball in the Centennial Set.......priceless.....
Speaking of messed up pool balls, whatever happened to the "Elephant Balls," they were really atrocious.
Brunswick Centennials have always been the best pool balls.....without a doubt. They look fantastic and they're playability is beyond reproach.
Notice the 6 and 7 ball in the Centennial Set.......priceless.....
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There are others in similar situations - those that like to play guitar, draw graffiti, cook, play video games, blog and all kinds of other unimportant junk. What's the definition of those?
Just a bum.
Back to my job now..
Shawn's more than welcome to come on here and apologize, too.
I had more to say, but that sums it up.
Saluc has made the Centennial balls for Brunswick for at least many decades.
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Shawn who?
Because rotation players have NO control over the game, the sport, the equipment and often the rules....they have to follow the money Period.
Shawn who?
Shawn 'Cranky' Putnam
Ok I don't rant alot, I feel like ranting today
/Rant on
Companies keep inventing new stuff every few years to make things new, well guess what. It's not working, at least for me.
One of the worst invention that happened in pool was the cueball with alot of red dots, and they say "It's so that audience see the spin" well, it wasn't needed, it's something extra, no pro liked it in the first place, and imo classic was always good, the white cueball without dots.
Well look at snooker, theyre balls look the same, nothing changes in there, snooker cloth always green, balls always the same, and the cueball has no dots, and snooker keeps growing.
While in pool, they do ridiculous inventions, they change cloth from green(classic) to blue claiming its good for the eyes, which I also don't agree with, green always the best color for the eyes, but then you watch pool from the classic 90's where audience are big and all wearing suits, and watch it now, look at the difference.
I say keep inventing ridiculous things and pool audience/views will shrink even more.
/Rant off.
/Rant on
Companies keep inventing new stuff every few years to make things new, well guess what. It's not working, at least for me.
One of the worst invention that happened in pool was the cueball with alot of red dots, and they say "It's so that audience see the spin" well, it wasn't needed, it's something extra, no pro liked it in the first place, and imo classic was always good, the white cueball without dots.
Well look at snooker, theyre balls look the same, nothing changes in there, snooker cloth always green, balls always the same, and the cueball has no dots, and snooker keeps growing.
While in pool, they do ridiculous inventions, they change cloth from green(classic) to blue claiming its good for the eyes, which I also don't agree with, green always the best color for the eyes, but then you watch pool from the classic 90's where audience are big and all wearing suits, and watch it now, look at the difference.
I say keep inventing ridiculous things and pool audience/views will shrink even more.
/Rant off.
That color set is supposedly their "TV set". Have you ever watched any matches online that use the weird colored Cyclops balls? They actually work very very well for the viewers. Of course, while the viewers can easily identify each different color, that doesn't mean that they, or the players, know which color is which ball lol. But strictly in terms of visibility and distinction, the odd colors work great on streams.
Have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxARy_XLnxU
KMRUNOUT
Ok I don't rant alot, I feel like ranting today
/Rant on
Companies keep inventing new stuff every few years to make things new, well guess what. It's not working, at least for me.
One of the worst invention that happened in pool was the cueball with alot of red dots, and they say "It's so that audience see the spin" well, it wasn't needed, it's something extra, no pro liked it in the first place, and imo classic was always good, the white cueball without dots.
Well look at snooker, theyre balls look the same, nothing changes in there, snooker cloth always green, balls always the same, and the cueball has no dots, and snooker keeps growing.
While in pool, they do ridiculous inventions, they change cloth from green(classic) to blue claiming its good for the eyes, which I also don't agree with, green always the best color for the eyes, but then you watch pool from the classic 90's where audience are big and all wearing suits, and watch it now, look at the difference.
I say keep inventing ridiculous things and pool audience/views will shrink even more.
/Rant off.
Probably because pool has devolved over the last 30 or 40 years dumbing down to primarily simple quick rotation games. Snooker on the other hand still has tradition while pool is simply a smash bang bar game now.
The way it was explained to me was that Brunswick had another company make Centennial balls from the very beginning. I forget the name of this company. After some time (not sure when, maybe like 1980's) they had Saluc make them instead. Saluc basically just makes the Super Aramith Pro balls in the Centennial looks. They are supposedly the same exact balls. Now most recently, I understand that Cyclop is using the original formula from that first company to make their balls. This is what I was told. It might have been Mark Griffin that told me that, but don't quote me because I'm not 100% sure.
To me, the Super Aramith Pro feel different than Centennials. I know this is probably not at all the way it really is, but the Centennials seem to "compress" more. Sort of like you can squish the cueball into the object ball more and throw the balls more. The Aramiths seem more "clicky", like they are harder, and the balls seems to come apart more instantly. I like both a lot. Snookers in Providence, RI last year changed to Super Aramith Pro with measle cue balls. I LOVE that combo on a 9' table. They used to have Centennials with Blue Circles. I love those too! I'm not a big fan of the measle ball on a bar table.
Anyway, that is what I heard, and then what I think lol.
KMRUNOUT
That would be Albany/Hyatt. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SMcCandlish/Incubator/Albany_Billiard_Ball_Company
So far as I know, Brunswick never made pool balls.
Bam...there it is lol. Yup that's the one.
So hey what does Bob Jewett think about this Cyclop discussion? If anyone knows the physics of the game, he does.
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