Don't Get Hurt or Injured When You Are Old........

Bavafongoul

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Simple title..... concise message......i m living proof.

Just saw my surgeon and ....gulp.....have to have another r. shldr. surgery......5th rotator cuff surgery .....L. Shldr 09'-'09 and R. Shldr. 09'-11...10-'13...06-'15.....anuda in 2016.)

I am right handed and it shows how tenuous muscle repairs can become when you are older.......statistically 66.6% of rotator cuff repairs (full thickness) fail within 2 yrs.
of the surgery for males over the age of 55 yrs..........Check out the above dates for my left shoulder surgeries.....so when do I get on the right side of the odds again?

My pool playing has dwindled down to 2-4 hrs/wk and it's been erratic.....sometimes I can't play for a week to ten days....so I have to have the surgery since it's been
getting worse since my last surgery in June......now I have bone marrow edema in the clavicle joint that really hurts......plus some new tears, etc......Do Not Get Injured
On The Job and if you reside in CA, find out about AB-899 which is the workers comp nightmare.

So if Bob & Jerry read this post, no rush on completing my cues; just get them to me by end of May, a mth before the ivory ban kicks in........Don't anticipate I'd be playing by the time the cues get here anyway.

Matt B.
 

lorider

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i feel for you. hope you recover fully and swiftly.

i am 61 and 4 years ago i had a 2 1/2 " wood drill bit go through my right fore arm cutting several nerves ....tendons and muscle.. and i am also right handed.

after having surgery to repair what they could....which was not much, i spent 4 months in a cast from my finger tips to my elbow. once that cast was removed i was placed in another cast from just above my wrist to my knuckles....to avoid my wrist from moving and retearing ligaments.

once that cast was removed i was given a brace that fit around my wrist and was to only be removed when i went to physical therapy. i went to physical therapy for 4 months in order to regain the use of my hand. i had the sterotipycle big swedish woman that was my therapist . i named her godzilla. every time she stretched my fingers or wrist until it would not bend any more she asked if it hurt. i said hell yes !

she then would force it another inch...telling me...no pain ...no gain.

i was out of work for a year and received 200.00 a week workers comp. i guess i am the pride ful type and have never had any government assistance of any kind. let me tell you...it was rough financially....actually it still is but thats another story.

today weather below 70 degrees hurts my hand like a bad tooth ache. i am the only guy you will see in a pool hall wearing a thermal shirt under a tee shirt. air conditioned buildings set at 70 degrees are murder for me.

i have lost 30% mobility in my right hand...wrist and fingers. i can only close my 2 outside fingers half way. middle finger 2/3 rds of the way and have almost full use of my thumb and fore finger.

yep....my game has suffered from it...especially my break ....but hey... i can still hold a cue and very seldom does it slip out of my fingers when i shoot ...but it does on occasion resulting in a bih foul for my opponent.

good luck to you.
 

claymont

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I just have to ask:confused: How did this accident happen? I totally understand if you don't want to reply or tell me to mind my own business.

i feel for you. hope you recover fully and swiftly.

i am 61 and 4 years ago i had a 2 1/2 " wood drill bit go through my right fore arm cutting several nerves ....tendons and muscle.. and i am also right handed.

after having surgery to repair what they could....which was not much, i spent 4 months in a cast from my finger tips to my elbow. once that cast was removed i was placed in another cast from just above my wrist to my knuckles....to avoid my wrist from moving and retearing ligaments.

once that cast was removed i was given a brace that fit around my wrist and was to only be removed when i went to physical therapy. i went to physical therapy for 4 months in order to regain the use of my hand. i had the sterotipycle big swedish woman that was my therapist . i named her godzilla. every time she stretched my fingers or wrist until it would not bend any more she asked if it hurt. i said hell yes !

she then would force it another inch...telling me...no pain ...no gain.

i was out of work for a year and received 200.00 a week workers comp. i guess i am the pride ful type and have never had any government assistance of any kind. let me tell you...it was rough financially....actually it still is but thats another story.

today weather below 70 degrees hurts my hand like a bad tooth ache. i am the only guy you will see in a pool hall wearing a thermal shirt under a tee shirt. air conditioned buildings set at 70 degrees are murder for me.

i have lost 30% mobility in my right hand...wrist and fingers. i can only close my 2 outside fingers half way. middle finger 2/3 rds of the way and have almost full use of my thumb and fore finger.

yep....my game has suffered from it...especially my break ....but hey... i can still hold a cue and very seldom does it slip out of my fingers when i shoot ...but it does on occasion resulting in a bih foul for my opponent.

good luck to you.
 

Tramp Steamer

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I feel your pain, Bava.
One month ago I bent down to reset my WiFi modem, and when I raised up I struck my head on the corner of a shelf.
After a few choice words, to no one in particular, I rubbed my head and went about my business. A sore spot and a small lump was all that became of it. Or, so I thought.
Three days later my left eye began drooping, and two days after that I began seeing double.
Long story short, I had a Cat Scan, that showed nothing out of the ordinary. I went to an Ophthalmologist who checked my eyes. They were fine so he suggested we give it couple of weeks to see what happens. There has been no change, and in fact things have gotten a bit worse. All indications are that the problem is neurological. I will visit him again come Thursday.
I haven't played One Pocket in over a month now and it may be quite awhile before I can play again, I turned 69 last week and damned if I don't feet it.
Good luck, my friend. :smile:
 

Bavafongoul

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claymont......this is a horror story in action.......I've tried to get the attention of Hausfeld, LLC, which is the most famous social injustice pro bono type law firm around.......they've won something like 4 billion dollars in awards under class action suits........I am screwed because of AB 899 and my final award will be calculated by formulas, etc. There's no judge or jury award on workers comp cases in California and I believe 11 other states that have enacted similar changes to their WC laws........Get this......ready....

In the state of California, workers comp insurers are "held totally harmless from any and all bad faith claims" and the maximum penalty that can be levied is limited to $10,000 maximum. So denying treatment and surgeries for as long as possible allows the insurers to keep millions of dollars invested and at the worst case, the firm could be fined $10,000 and the insurers could still disobey the court's instructions......pay the fine......but still deny treatment.

We have laws enacted long ago to protect against child labor and we also have laws passed that require employers to provide workers comp insurance protection for injured workers. The employer hires the insurance firm and it's the insurance firms that are abusing the law. And nothing can be done since the insures can't be sued for acting in bad faith.......they are indemnified in CA & 11 other states.

My employer hasn't done anything wrong and can't do anything to help. The workers comp insurance firm is Sedgwick.......People....do a Google search "Romano vs.Kroeger-Sedgwick".........Mr. Romano was a CA grocery worker that died from complications from undergoing shoulder surgery resulting from a workers comp injury. Do the google search and read how Sedgwick killed Mr. Romano and the District Attorney Office wants to file criminal charges against Sedgwick and the case adjuster specifically.


Okay....back to your query......7/10/2009....a Friday......I'm on the job site at a large food processor for the installation of two new large boilers. I install and service chemical treatment systems for commercial/industrial/hospital heat & cooling sytems & waste water treatment. So I'm on site making sure the piping and fittings, valves and sample ports are installed properly and I also have to do the boiler start-up etc. I took a shortcut to my truck and someone called my name which caused me to turn around but not stop walking. The 6" piping was stacked right next to me and my field box caught the top pipe which cause the stacked pipes to avalanche to the ground......the pipes hit my foot and ankle and lurched me sideways and I landed on my left shoulder.....well, it was a really.bad fall that lead to rotator cuff surgery in Sept. 2009.......and I returned to work January 10, 2010.

Anyone that is over 55 yrs old that's had rotator cuff surgery knows you lose appreciable arm strength after surgery. I sure did and so basically I had to do my work essentially relying on my right arm and it's physically hard work......cleaning cooling towers, descaling heating & cooling systems, installing & maintaining equipment & water systems in the field, etc. Cooling towers often require climbing 25 ft ladders and pulling up 55 lb. pails of dry chemical to the cat walk of the towers, moving & positioning 55 gallon drums of liquid chemical that weigh 450-500 lbs, This happened pretty much all the time with large systems and so I ruined my right arm. It was judged to be work related because it's directly attributable to diminished use of my left arm after the surgical repair to perform my duties.

Well, you see what happens..........I go on disability leave June 17, 2011 and am still on disability but of course without any pay. All disability pay ended after 36 months.......104 weeks private insurance coverage.....max allowed under the new law AB 899 enacted January 1, 2004........before that it was for life if the injured worker never returned to work. So at that point, you apply for state disability which of course I did.......I had to since I was still having surgeries....and you get 52 weeks.....max allowed under the law.......and so at that point you would normally apply and receive Federal Disability which I did.

Get this......I was eligible for Federal Disabilty when my injury started but you cannot get Federal until after you have first exhausted your state disability benefits (52 weeks).....and you cannot get that until you have exhausted your 104 weeks of private workers comp insurance your employer is obligated to carry.....which I also did.......but when I applied for my Federal Disability, it was denied because as soon as you reach social entitlement (which is age 65), all eligibility for Federal Disability is forfeited (ineligible) and you must apply for early social security even though I want to return to work and continue working until age 70 for to get max benefits........Nope......take social security now or starve. The net difference in net to me is $785/mth shortfall because I had to take it early despite that I am still on the payroll records of my employer designated "on disability leave".

Why all the surgeries? Because of the denials for treatment in between surgery and the long wait which results in muscle and tendon atrophy which is irreversible and so the surgeon has less healthy tissue to work with. I have medical bolts and steel sutures in my shoulder,.....it keeps ripping apart......now it going to involve sewing in a special leather like fabric that's reinforced with steel strands and hope it holds, and while inside my shoulder, also sew up the new tears, repair my labrum and perform debridement of the new bone marrow edema surrounding my acromioclavicular joint.

The workers comp situation in California and these other 11 states is literally scandalous.......do that Google search.........maybe I should post the letter I got from my lawyer when my surgeon was deposed for hours earlier this month........she wrote" your surgeon argued passionately in your behalf" and "questioned why workers comp insurers would authorize surgery and then deny post surgery treatment?" The workers comp game is fixed in CA in total favor of the insurance companies. AB-899 should be ruled unconstitutional........no insurer should ever ne indemnified against acting in bad faith......and only a class action can get this fixed and I am hoping Hausfeld, LLC will consider taking up the cause.

Matt B.
 
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phil dade

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Good luck Matt. I am sorry to hear that the problem continues. I am 68. I am still in rotator pain after having a cyst drained in the A joint 3 weeks ago. They also commented on two small tears. Every day it get a little better, but it still hurts pretty bad to hold a cue. The Dr also commented that he felt the cyst may have been a result of a broken clavical 22 years ago that was never set. Today they set clavicles.

With the last 12 months I had two knee surgeries on the left knee, staph infection that resulted in two weeks in the hospital and 5 weeks on an IV called vancomycim which had to be watched very close due to my kidney transplant. This resulted in rehab to walk as I was unable to go over a curb,6 months! Next sciatica nerve problem in the right hip,then right shoulder rotator, loss of feeling in right foot due to diabetes, A1C from 8.4 down to 5.7 and back ti 8.1 all with 5 shots of insulin daily, two skin cancers cut out However, I cured fatty liver through diet.

The good news is I saved $960 on my car insurance:grin:

Remember, we re ok as long as we are above dirt.:rolleyes:
 

fan-tum

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I've been 69 for coupla' weeks. I have to think my meds are doing their job...pills for high b.p.,prostate, cholesterol,restless leg syndrome, diuretic...11 pills a day. And I'm VERY CAREFUL not to injure myself or fall down. My pool playing is exactly like it was 10 yrs. ago...C++.
 

Ralph Kramden

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I haven't played One Pocket in over a month now and it may be quite awhile before I can play again, I turned 69 last week and damned if I don't feet it.
Good luck, my friend. :smile:

Wait 'til you're 77 Tramp... they say you'll get ate more.

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lorider

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I just have to ask:confused: How did this accident happen? I totally understand if you don't want to reply or tell me to mind my own business.

i was drilling 2 1/4 " holes in rafters to install 2 " pvc vent pipe.

had on a long sleeve sweat shirt and the sleeve got caught in the drill bit.

found out real quick like why they say not to wear loose or baggy clothing around power tools. :embarrassed2:
 

claymont

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You're in a bad situation. Hard to believe that Cali has such drastic WC laws. I've only had a few months of WC claims over my working career where I was paid any compensation.

I had my shoulder worked on about five years ago. I lost some strength and flexibility and its started to crunch a bit again. I'm 67 and able to do what I need to do, compared to you and the other fellas, I've been very lucky health wise. I think having a job that required hardly any physical work for my last three years of work, I was a millwright/outside machinist in a refinery, allowed my body to heal somewhat, so when I retired in 2009, I was in pretty good condition, other than my shoulder, which I took care of about a year later.

Hope all goes well with the surgery and you can get that financial mess under control.
 

Toncam

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I hope you guys do better, sincerely.
Just don't get what I have, brain cancer.
My docs are doing it better, but my speech is bad. :mad:
 

GaryB

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Bavfongul, is totally correct Calif WC sucks. My wife was injured on the job and it took us 7 years to get the case resolved. Her deposition alone was 600 hundred pages. Her nerves have never been the same.

I am a 6 time cancer survivor. However, recently was diagnosed with severe cervical stenosis. The spinal specialist asked my wife if she had to help dress me. I was getting shooting pain down my neck to my shoulder and then like lightning down my arm creating a numbness that was painful. This was happening more than a 100 times a day. I got a series of injections that helped tremendously. The big downside is that in order to continue playing pool I have to learn how to shoot standing pretty much upright. Oh well, I have always been told that pool is a continuous learning curve but to have to start all over at 80 is a pain in the ass. But funny enough it is interesting as it is a totally different perspective and is better than not playing at all,

As the old saying goes "Old age is no place for sissies."
 

Toncam

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Bavfongul, is totally correct Calif WC sucks. My wife was injured on the job and it took us 7 years to get the case resolved. Her deposition alone was 600 hundred pages. Her nerves have never been the same.

I am a 6 time cancer survivor. However, recently was diagnosed with severe cervical stenosis. ."

Can you saying 7 years and this being paid about cancer ??? Whoa !! I got mine done in about 4-5 months. Unless you said something and I miss something.
 

bbb

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matt
sorry to hear you have to go under the knife again
i wish you a speedy recovery
 

lakeman77

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My physical therapist tells me that when we are young we heal quickly. Add 50 years, it takes months. Our bodies make enzymes and hormones that aid healing, but that procution drops off dramatically after our mid 30's.
You are very correct, if older, avoid dangerous stuff, to avoid months of pain and rahab.
 

Tramp Steamer

One Pocket enthusiast.
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Lakeman, you're right. It takes longer to heal.
Toncam, I wish you the best of luck. Eat healthy and keep a positive attitude.
Gary, you're a cat, man. You've got nine lives. Enjoy them all.
Claymont, you're doing good.
Lomont, even though they aren't allowed to be worn in my pool hall, I suggest one of those sleeveless wife-beater shirts. One that has a picture of a supercharged V8 on the front with the words: "Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown."
Fan-tum, go see another Doctor. That's a lot of pills, my friend.
Phil, you're a train wreck, but I love your sense of humor.
Hang in there, Matt. You'll be fine.
Let's all meet back here in a year and tell everyone how we're doing. If anyone else out there wants to join up, please do. We're called the (someone think of a cool name). :)
 

duckie

GregH
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I'm 61 and been dealing with fluid on the knees since July. Not as serious as some issues people have, but it really has hindered my mobility.

Doing the morning heating ritual now.

The thing is.......I ain't old.....just the body has some high mileage. It's been thrown down the road some....literally.......had a few motorcycle accidents.

But a follow a wise mans advice......Lifes a garden, you gotta dig it and Just keep on keeping on......Joe Dirt.
 

philly

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Just turned 64. Have been going to the gym religiously for 5 years and am very fit. However I just made an appointment with a rheumatologist. Youth is wasted on the young. Nuff said.
 
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