Are you daft or blind?
The Mosconi slipstroke
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Are you daft or blind?
Mosconi had a slip stroke and stroke slip.
His former sparring partner Wayne Norcross told and demonstrated that to me.
His former sparring partner Wayne Norcross told and demonstrated that to me.
Ok - I will plead guilty to not composing a statement in the level of detail required for
a deposition but...
Willie does what Willie often did, he repositions his hand before the backswing.
A slipstroke entails sliding the hand back as you are pulling the cue back for the
final time.
IMHO -- one of the reasons for so much confusion in this area is that Willie shot
so fast and was so smooth and flowing, that it all SEEMS to blend together.
Couple that with the fact that I grew up watching Marty Rottie(sp?), who had one of
the smoothest and most pronounced slipstrokes ever.
He also has the dubious honor of being in Springfield that fateful evening in
April of 1954 and chose to go to a movie instead of the Willie's exhibition
because he had seen him run 100s many times before
.Dale(expert observer - who also knows what a slipstroke is)
He ran that rack beautifully, plus he could have kept on going.
All that before LD's.....how dare they?
Don't they know you can't shoot that good with solid maple?
It is an absolute fact that Willie used a slip stroke on at least a portion of his shots during at least a portion of his lifetime (it is also a fact that he did not use it all the time or even a majority of the time). We see it plain as day right here is this video. Absolutely indisputable proof that he sometimes used a slip stroke.
Any attempts to argue otherwise are due to some vested interest--most likely the vested interest in saving face for having been wrong about this fact in the past. Those that claim they witnessed Willie shoot in person and that he did not use a slip stroke are either just flat wrong and they just failed to notice or recognize it at the time, or Willie just didn't use the slip stroke at all ever even once on those particular days or at that point in his career (most likely the former but the latter is possible).
For anyone to continue to argue that Willie never used a slip stoke is asinine and disingenuous. The evidence isn't overwhelming, it's indisputable.
Any attempts to argue otherwise are due to some vested interest--most likely the vested interest in saving face for having been wrong about this fact in the past. Those that claim they witnessed Willie shoot in person and that he did not use a slip stroke are either just flat wrong and they just failed to notice or recognize it at the time, or Willie just didn't use the slip stroke at all ever even once on those particular days or at that point in his career (most likely the former but the latter is possible).
For anyone to continue to argue that Willie never used a slip stoke is asinine and disingenuous. The evidence isn't overwhelming, it's indisputable.
That slip stroke is not what most people consider one but by definition he does slip back a inch or so minimal for sure and he's like 70 in that video I don't remember him doing that in his younger yrs might have acquired it later in life in fact I have seen other video's of him younger he did not use a slip stroke in then guess like some of us he was looking for a little extra when we get older lolWhat have we been over exactly? You claiming he didn't use a slip stroke? Well anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see clear as day that he used a slip stroke at least 2 times in that run. What next, are you going to tell us it's impossible to bend a bank-shot?
I realize that you are somewhat of a professional at denying things that are blatantly obvious to anyone, it was your career after all, but this...How do you explain what he did in the video? "Hand adjustment"? What a crock!
Did you even look at the video? What about the pictures? It's the definition of a slip stroke. I don't particularly care if he used a slip stroke or not, but I care about the truth. His hand slips backward on the cue on the final backstroke AT LEAST twice in that video. You have to be legally blind not to see it. There is no excuse.
This is clear evidence that you should never believe any witness testimony 100%. Some people have vested interests or are just to blind or ignorant to perceive what is happening before their eyes. Since you cannot see what is happening in the video, I must conclude that your powers of observations are poor, and that there is a possibility that he DID in fact use the slipstroke a lot, even if that could never be proven. Luckily we have this video now, in case someone claims Willie never ran more than 10 balls
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Is Wayne still around Danny K's?
Willie turned grey in his late thirties.
What have we been over exactly? You claiming he didn't use a slip stroke? Well anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see clear as day that he used a slip stroke at least 2 times in that run. What next, are you going to tell us it's impossible to bend a bank-shot?
I realize that you are somewhat of a professional at denying things that are blatantly obvious to anyone, it was your career after all, but this...How do you explain what he did in the video? "Hand adjustment"? What a crock!
Did you even look at the video? What about the pictures? It's the definition of a slip stroke. I don't particularly care if he used a slip stroke or not, but I care about the truth. His hand slips backward on the cue on the final backstroke AT LEAST twice in that video. You have to be legally blind not to see it. There is no excuse.
This is clear evidence that you should never believe any witness testimony 100%. Some people have vested interests or are just to blind or ignorant to perceive what is happening before their eyes. Since you cannot see what is happening in the video, I must conclude that your powers of observations are poor, and that there is a possibility that he DID in fact use the slipstroke a lot, even if that could never be proven. Luckily we have this video now, in case someone claims Willie never ran more than 10 balls
Careful, or else Lou will start telling you that he [Lou] doesn't have a pause in his stroke lol
I agree!
In the first two shots, he "slipped" his hand further back on the cue in mid-stroke.
He may not have used that technique all the time, but I'm sure he had it in his arsenal and used it when he felt he needed it.
I've used that stroke on occasion and I'm sure lot of old-times have. It wasn't uncommon many years ago.
I don't think anybody uses it now because the tables play considerably different than they did in the old days. The slip stroke allowed you to add a bit of power to your stroke without overpowering your stroke and getting your arm out of line and without having to change your hand positioning on the cue and bridge. You just let the cue slide back a couple inches, re-gripped it, and continued with the stroke. The cue changed positions...not your hands.
You are never going to get Lou to agree with you, because Lou is an expert on everything he ever said and he has ribbons and badges that say so. He was a Propaganda Affairs Officer for a long time and once he says something, he never goes back...even when proven to be wrong.
Anybody that can't see Willie "sliding" the cue is willfully or legally blind.
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lol. We've talked on the phone haven't we.
Lou Figueroa
love them
old cranky ladies
Because most of today's players use such a long stroke they're already holding the cue at the butt plate as it is, which is why they're trending towards longer cues.
When you're not using a long stroke, choking up your back hand on your cue, then slipping it back as you start your draw back gives you the feeling of having a longer stroke than what the cue stick actually travels during the motion of the stroke while at the same time it allows the shooter a longer follow through in completing the forward motion of the shot.
