What is the best way to remove a pin and install a new one? I have a butt with a bent pin.
sonofthunder said:Dave,there are several ways.This is NOT a beginners procedure.
1.Chuck up the butt in an engine lathe,cut the bent pin fairly close to the joint ,a hacksaw works fine.Starting w/ a 1/8" drill,then progressively larger bits,drill out the old pin.Bore to 3.5" deep, then use a 1/2" to 9/16bit, or better still, BORE and plug w/ a dowel.Re-bore & tap.Install new pin.2.Call me for a higher risk, but a lot easier way.(806)-778-1957
KJ Cues said:Or......You could just straighten the bent pin.
But I guess that would be too simple.
Not enough drama.
dave sutton said:craig I agree. I would never try to cut and drill a pin out. I've also done it countless times without a hitch. Always used vice grips tho. I have straightened a few meucci pins but for all that work I just would put a new pin in. Lot of work bending also stress on the pin. I'd rather start new
manwon said:It also seems like trying to bend a pin would put a lot of stress on the pins set in the joint which could cause a failure of the adhesive or even fracture or crack the wood at the joint. I would still like to here how KJ does it.
I hope he answers this thread, I hate it when some one offers a suggestion but doesn't explain how they do it. From the tone of his post he just might have been being sarcastic, at least that is how it sounded to me.
take care
manwon said:It also seems like trying to bend a pin would put a lot of stress on the pins set in the joint which could cause a failure of the adhesive or even fracture or crack the wood at the joint. I would still like to here how KJ does it.
I hope he answers this thread, I hate it when some one offers a suggestion but doesn't explain how they do it. From the tone of his post he just might have been being sarcastic, at least that is how it sounded to me.
take care
JBCustomCues said:speakng of pin removal someone on az had a tool that you could use on anything metal and would remove it without any heat. It was probly the coolest tool I have ever seen.. Does anyone rember this thread??? If so please post a link..
thanks
KJ Cues said:Manwon,
Since you've summoned my return, I'll respectfully begin with your quoted word.
Nothing like the combination of open flames and high dollar cues to get the ol blood flowin' eh? I see plenty of drama there. Keep it simple. Heat should ONLY be used as a last resort and that means, after you've exhausted every other conceivable option. Why expose the cue to the risk of further damage ie, bubbled finish, debonded collar/rings, split wood, etc. I'm not suggesting that heat doesn't work, far from it, it works real slick. I've followed that procedure several 100 times. More than enough times to come to the understanding that there are significant inherent risks involed that could easily be avoided by opting for a different method. Sometimes your options are limited. Elements of the cue or other criteria WILL DICTATE your method of removal. Consider the task of removing the pin from a solid ivory jointed cue. Would heat be your first choice? Or even sleeved over phenolic. Phenolic is an excellent insulator for electricity but does a pretty poor job of insulating heat. I suspect also that it expands with heat though I haven't found a good way to measure this other than witness the results.
There's no more stress involved in straightening the pin as there was to bend it in the first place. Stainless steel is extremely durable. If it's brass, that's a different story.
Dick suggested one method that I have also used. This method works well if prudent procedure is followed as do other methods. El Gato has many ways to lose his coating. One thing that apparently can't be stressed enough here (and in this section) is that there are many different ways of achieving the same end result. Give the different ways a look, you might like what you see.
Do as you like, it doesn't affect me. My interest was in saving the OP some time, expense and to avoid the risk of damaging the cue any further.
Sarcastic???????.....Who, me? Forgive me if I have a little fun at the world's expense. I figure it owes me.
Barry C. said:I've used both methods of heating the pin to break the epoxy. With drilling, you're not really drilling the pin out, you're causing friction to create heat and then you can turn the pin out by reversing the the lathe with the bit still drilled into the pin. the pin will usually come right out. comes in handy when you don't have much of a pin to grab hold to.
Heating the pin is quicker and a little easier.
Literally drilling out the pin can cause more work and problems.
Barry