Rodney- what happened?

poolhustler said:
Goth'cha..........It should in fact be spelled "babies" or "baby's" !!!!

Greenie to you :smile:

:D
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Actually it should only be spelled "babies". But really it should simply say "No children under six permitted inside, we apologize for the inconvenience".

This is polite, and includes babies.
 
poolhustler said:
What words are spelled incorrectly?????
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I don't noe ?

IMO... Perhaps the sign should have read something like this: " Parents... please remove noisy children from the play area " I believe they have a right to be there. I also believe it is good for the future of the game. Kids are people too.
 
Rodney- what happened ?

Pool has a bad reputation ? No wonder. We dont promote as a family sport. Drugs, drinking, smoking no good at church. But small children welcome at church. Think of our game of pool. We shoot at pool halls. Juke box blaring. Loud noise from room full of people. Drunk on table beside you. Elbow to elbow at the table. These pros have been doing this for years. Seriously doubt small child in attendance would affect players game compared to what they have previously been thru. You want pool to prosper ? Clean up the sport and maybe sponsors will notice. QUIET PLEASE. Yeah right . We are at a golf tournament.
 
JB Cases said:
...When I look at it like this it seems as if they are saying that there are no more babies or children under 6 available. Darn, I was really hoping to get me a four year old today.
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Oh no you don't. There are no shortcuts to 4. You are gonna need to raise that kid, just like the rest of us did! 4 does come and it is great, but don't be trying shortcuts, pal.

Papa Red said:
... "POOL EDICT" is something player lack, not all but most. They all want respect when they are at the table, but seam too forget their opponent would like the same.
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Papa, you wrote that sign, didn't you?! I know you had input anyway!:eek:
 
Big john said:
I don't Noe ?

IMO... Perhaps the sign should have read something like this: " Parents... please remove noisy children from the play area " I believe they have a right to be there. I also believe it is good for the future of the game. Kids are people too.
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I totally agree with you! They are the future and how the game will be represented in the future. The game has came along way since leagues were induced. I've seen the good, bad, and the horribly ugly side and I hope no young and up coming player goes thru that experience.
 
Bigjohn said:
I don't noe ?

IMO... Perhaps the sign should have read something like this: " Parents... please remove noisy children from the play area " I believe they have a right to be there. I also believe it is good for the future of the game. Kids are people too.
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Agreed. Kids are allowed to attend other major sporting events and some behave well and some don't but not any worse than some adults IMO. Every year I go to the Byron Nelson golf tournament and there are tons of kids and none of them are sharking the golfers. But then in the audience there is always that guy who has to be the first to yell "YOU DA MAN!" or "IN THE HOLE!" When they do it midswing cracks me up. This gets annoying after about 5-6 hours during every shot.

If a kid is being disruptive just kindly ask the parent to remove them. There shouldn't be a restriction.

-J Chao
 
Jiayi345 said:
If a kid is being disruptive just kindly ask the parent to remove them. There shouldn't be a restriction.

-J Chao
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Right you are, Jiayi345. I really dislike it when people in an authority position try to "solve" a problem, or an imagined problem, by devising a "solution" that penalizes a whole group of people rather than the specific offender(s). Often it's because the person in the authority position doesn't have the guts to speak directly to the offender or thinks he or she is just too busy or important to spend the time addressing offenders.

In this case, "management" should have a practice of watching for loud, disturbing, or distracting behavior by anyone of any age and asking the offender to quiet down or leave. As for babies and young children, I doubt that many of them have any real interest in sitting for an hour or two watching a pool match. But the mother (or father in other events) may have no choice but to bring the kid(s) if she is to be able to see her husband play. So let her in with the kids and address the problem if and when it occurs. Most parents would have the common sense to step outside the arena when the kids start acting up anyway.
 
mullyman said:
One thing though, people that are against what happened seem to be assuming that Rodney's kids were sitting there like little angels. They may not be monsters but even if they were just fidgety or giggling that would be enough to warrant asking the mother to remove them from the arena and then putting up a sign to prevent it from happening again. I highly doubt that the TD just got a hair up his ass and decided to target Rodney's family for the fun of it. If they were asked to leave then they were doing something to disturb the players or something that had the potential to disturb the players.
MULLY
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I've been at the event since the players meeting. Not once was an age limit for children mentioned during the players meeting. I recall Melanie Archer bringing their son into this event when he was a baby.

Rodney's wife had brought the children in every day that Rodney has played this week. They were well behaved. They've grown up in this environment, they've been taught how to behave in this enviornment.

They were singled out in this event and it was not the TD that made the decision, it was the promoter, Barry Berhman. Ken Schuman, the TD had no problem with them being here and was upset at how everything went down.

Rodney's wife arrived for the 7 pm matches and was not let through the door. Barry had instructed the door man not to let them in. Luckily Rodney was not aware of this until after the match. Once he found out, he was very angry and said that he was going to forfeit out. The TD asked Barry to talk to Rodney. From what I understand, Barry reluctantly agreed to talk to Rodney and was quite rude to Rodney. So much so that Rodney told Barry he didn't appreciated being talked to like that and to please just give him his check so that he could leave.

After many talks with friends and family, Rodney decided to go ahead and play. It's his livelihood and he felt obligated to the fans that had paid to watch him play.

After the rude conversation Barry had with Rodney, I observed Barry exiting the office and taping the sign up on the door.

So yes, the promoter did get a wild "hair up his ass" and decide to single out the Morris family. Had the children misbehaved earlier, it would've made a little more sense. As it is, they simply were stopped at the door for no other reason than the "wild hair" theory.
 
UrackmIcrackm said:
I've been at the event since the players meeting. ...After the rude conversation Barry had with Rodney, I observed Barry exiting the office and taping the sign up on the door...
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SO the writing is Barry's? Not surprising, I guess.

Maybe the dog helped.
 
One thing they can't take away from Rodney is the fact he already has a US Open title. He might decide that one is enough.
 
I know this is a tournament that has run for 30 years. I know it's the big one for most of the pros in the USA. I don't know Barry, but I watched and listened to him at the end of last year's event. I thought he'd never get enough of himself and sit the hell down. The dozen or so nuthanger's that follow him around like his dog, kiss his a$$ and laugh at his bad jokes makes me want to puke.

The entry fee for this event is $600. He adds $87k to that. How much of that is sponsors money? Players pay $600 entry, $1000 for hotel, plus travel and food. Barry should be kissing the player's a$$es for coming. This a big tournament, but it is the only one Barry puts on a year. He is not the God of all promoters and TD's. Many of them do a lot more for the sport than he does. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I know this is a tournament that has run for 30 years. I know it's the big one for most of the pros in the USA. I don't know Barry, but I watched and listened to him at the end of last year's event. I thought he'd never get enough of himself and sit the hell down. The dozen or so nuthanger's that follow him around like his dog, kiss his a$$ and laugh at his bad jokes makes me want to puke.

The entry fee for this event is $600. He adds $87k to that. How much of that is sponsors money? Players pay $600 entry, $1000 for hotel, plus travel and food. Barry should be kissing the player's a$$es for coming. This a big tournament, but it is the only one Barry puts on a year. He is not the God of all promoters and TD's. Many of them do a lot more for the sport than he does. Johnnyt
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LOL, don't forget the BAGPIPES!
 
Johnnyt said:
The entry fee for this event is $600. He adds $87k to that. How much of that is sponsors money? Players pay $600 entry, $1000 for hotel, plus travel and food. Barry should be kissing the player's a$$es for coming. This a big tournament, but it is the only one Barry puts on a year. He is not the God of all promoters and TD's. Many of them do a lot more for the sport than he does. Johnnyt
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I think calling down the promoter of the most prestigeous tournament in North America a little excessive. It's alright to provide constructive criticism, but if you just call someone down with out providing a solution or alternative you have to expect your opinion to mean a lot less than someone who does.
 
supergreenman said:
I think calling down the promoter of the most prestigeous tournament in North America a little excessive. It's alright to provide constructive criticism, but if you just call someone down with out providing a solution or alternative you have to expect your opinion to mean a lot less than someone who does.
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I don't really care what my opinion means to you. Johnnyt
 
This isn't really a big surprise. The way many old time players hold on to their way of playing the game and thinking its superior to all others. Children were rarely found in pool halls. There was no need for a rule. Especially an illiterate one, a great reflection for the popular opinion on our game.

If this becomes a precedent, its just another nail in the coffin for billiards.
 
Whenever I get lucky and play in the finals of a tournament
in one of the billiards clubs I play at, my children always
accompany me (as long as there are no classes).

As I've mentioned in another thread, My Closeness (my kids)
always silently clap their hands when ever I pocket a ball
- and clap loudly whenever I win a rack.

They don't make faces or any funny movements, particularly
when my opponent is the one on the table. They just clap silently
whenever I pocket a shot and clap loudly whenever I win a rack.

Midway through the match, a guy approach My Closeness
and told them in an authoritative voice not to clap whenever
I pocket a shot, and goes on to say that the game isn't over yet.

My Closeness were surprised. And truth be told, i was more
than surprised - i was kinda like mad or something.
But I did my best, my very best, not to show it. However, I did
stop from what I was doing (aiming at that point in time) and looked
towards the area where my children were watching.

My Closeness were looking at me with a puzzled look as if
they had done something wrong. I smiled and winked
at them. And oh! The guy was still there.

I saw The President of the billiards club approached my kids
and said that what they were doing is okay. The President
remained standing there besides my children.

And for some reason, I couldn't hear what the President said
to the guy, but whatever it was, the guy walked away from
that area towards another portion of the hall.

I settled for 1st runner up that day. Loss of focus and concentration?
Mad or something? Hell bent on slamming my cue on the guy's head and all?

My opponent said (as we shook hands after the match)
that he doesn't deserve the championship and I should have won.
That I only got distracted by the guy's remarks to my kids.

I said, "No, a win is a win. Congratulations, buddy!"

But truth be told, what the guy did really bother me.
I tried not to show my feelings of anger - not in front of my children.

The negative feeling inside went away when I saw the beaming
faces of My Closeness when they accepted the 1st-runner up
trophy on my behalf. Championship, 1st-runner up or 2nd-runner up,
it doesn't matter I guess. A trophy is a trophy. A win is a win.

To quote a fellow AZ'er, "Family is a wonderful addition to pool."
Guess what? He's right! It should be! And it should always be!
And I kid you not!


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Bigkahuna said:
As a TD you may find it necassary to create a rule in the middle of a tournament. You can't have distraction. How else are you going to handle it?
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Exactly! :thumbup:
 
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