Micarta??

acedonkeyace

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WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THIS MATERIAL? WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT IT, IF ITS THAT GREAT WHY IS IT NOT MADE ANYMORE?? WAS IT OR IS IT TOO EXPENSIVE TO MAKE?? IS IVOR-X, IVORINE AS GOOD, OR HOW ABOUT REAL IVORY??

E-MAIL ME OR PM ME WITH SOME INFO, I SEE A PERSON SELLING OLD STOCK FERRULES FOR, $25.00 A PIECE, IS THIS A GOOD DEAL AND WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS STUFF??

THANKS,

E-MAIL IS MICHAELKENNEDY_1@YAHOO.COM
OR PM ME

THANKS FOR ANY INFO

'ACEDONKEYACE':thumbup:
 
Micarta is still being made. But the formula has changed over time.
The old stuff had its own unique hit. Some love it and others hate it. The new stuff also has its own hit, and playing with it is the best way to understand how it plays. The new stuff does not have as hard of a hit as the old.
 
Micarta

fyi Chris may have overlooked mentioning that Micarta might be bad for your health in the long run. {I believe) Maybe the new process he mentioned takes care of that.??
 
As has been discussed on numerous occasions on this forum, Micarta was Westinghouse's trademark name for their resin and phenolics line of which there were many different formulas and configurations for use in their many applications for electronic devices that they built. The one so loved by many in the past had asbestos in it's make-up. Needless to say, this formula was quickly done away with when the industry was found liable for the use of asbestos in the late 70's. There are many whom are peddling "Old Micarta" as the original material but unless they have found a supply of used material from old ships or old factories they are merely fooling un-knowledgeable customers into paying high prices for readily available material.

As Chris has stated above, not all liked the old "yellow Micarta" asbestos based ferrules and may like the newer materials better. You only learn what you like by trying different types and seeing what your cup of tea happens to be. Nothing beats experience.

Dick
 
As has been discussed on numerous occasions on this forum, Micarta was Westinghouse's trademark name for their resin and phenolics line of which there were many different formulas and configurations for use in their many applications for electronic devices that they built. The one so loved by many in the past had asbestos in it's make-up. Needless to say, this formula was quickly done away with when the industry was found liable for the use of asbestos in the late 70's. There are many whom are peddling "Old Micarta" as the original material but unless they have found a supply of used material from old ships or old factories they are merely fooling un-knowledgeable customers into paying high prices for readily available material.

As Chris has stated above, not all liked the old "yellow Micarta" asbestos based ferrules and may like the newer materials better. You only learn what you like by trying different types and seeing what your cup of tea happens to be. Nothing beats experience.

Dick
If this stuff is made with Asbestos I'd think you want to be real careful when working with it.
 
As has been discussed on numerous occasions on this forum, Micarta was Westinghouse's trademark name for their resin and phenolics line of which there were many different formulas and configurations for use in their many applications for electronic devices that they built. The one so loved by many in the past had asbestos in it's make-up. Needless to say, this formula was quickly done away with when the industry was found liable for the use of asbestos in the late 70's. There are many whom are peddling "Old Micarta" as the original material but unless they have found a supply of used material from old ships or old factories they are merely fooling un-knowledgeable customers into paying high prices for readily available material.

As Chris has stated above, not all liked the old "yellow Micarta" asbestos based ferrules and may like the newer materials better. You only learn what you like by trying different types and seeing what your cup of tea happens to be. Nothing beats experience.

Dick
Very good points. It is good to see you back with us. I hope all is going well with you.
 
Nice to see your back posting. Hope your recovery is going well Dick.
Dave
 
Thanks fellows! I got out of the rest home last Friday. I can still only barely walk but it is less painful everyday. I really appreciate everyone's concern.

Dick
 
Micarta

IF you REALLY want to know the REAL story about the REAL Micarta (that is to say the old "form" of Micarta that cuemakers and players are after)- you might try calling Richard Welch at Atlas Fiber aka Atlas Billiard Supply and ask him about Micarta . . . many of the statements posted here about Micarta have truth to them - HOWEVER, there is a good amount of mis-information being passed on as well - that is to say, not so much as the information is WRONG - but just not appropriate to the "form" of Micarta that we should be discussing . . . so rather than hearing it from me and possibly my omitting something let Richard provide ALL with the REAL info. Maybe then the complete history of Micarta can be made a bit clearer . . .
 
IF you REALLY want to know the REAL story about the REAL Micarta (that is to say the old "form" of Micarta that cuemakers and players are after)- you might try calling Richard Welch at Atlas Fiber aka Atlas Billiard Supply and ask him about Micarta . . . many of the statements posted here about Micarta have truth to them - HOWEVER, there is a good amount of mis-information being passed on as well - that is to say, not so much as the information is WRONG - but just not appropriate to the "form" of Micarta that we should be discussing . . . so rather than hearing it from me and possibly my omitting something let Richard provide ALL with the REAL info. Maybe then the complete history of Micarta can be made a bit clearer . . .

I just sent an email. Looking forward to the response.
I will post a transcript if permission is granted.

Josh
 
The Truth

I hope everyone is ready for this:


Hello Joshua.

I hope you are ready. Here it goes, with an okay for publishing:

Here is all you ever wanted, or needed, to know about Micarta:



Westinghouse Electric Corporation, in 1911, started producing industrial
laminates for electrical insulation and, soon thereafter, started
producing decorative laminates (Formica was a spin-off of this
operation) and marketed both products under the trade name "Micarta." As
a trade name it applied to all laminate products and, although the name
is often used generically, it is not grade-specific and should not be
used to describe a particular laminate absent a specific grade
designation.



In 1994/1995 the Westinghouse Micarta Division was sold to International
Paper and run for several years as their Decorative Products Division
while remaining located in Hampton, SC. There was at least one other
owner of the facility subsequent to IP.



Eventually, the Hampton plant was closed, the assets were bought by
Norplex, and the equipment moved to Postville, IA, around 2004/2005.
Norplex is now known as Industrial Laminates Norplex, Inc., and markets
products under the trade name Norplex-Micarta High-Performance
Composites.



The original so-called "Ivory-Micarta" product was Westinghouse grade
FR-2. It was a laminate made of paper sheets soaked in an epoxy resin
and baked and pressed into a solid plate. The ivory color was
incidental to it being an industrial product. In fact, color has never
been the main goal of any industrial laminate - no color is ever
guaranteed or expected to be consistent from run to run - which always
frustrates users who think this is a decorative, rather than an
industrial, product. The true purpose of the FR-2 was to be an
electrical insulator with different characteristics than the more common
XX and XXX paper grades, which used phenolic resins.



When Atlas Billiards tried to make ferrules from this material, they
cracked. We worked with the Westinghouse lab to tweak the resin content
and increase the bond strength. It took several iterations until we
finally got a product that worked. The result was what we called
Ivorine-3(r). This was the primary high-end ferrule material for many
years. However, after the Micarta business changed hands multiple
times, the new technicians were unable to consistently hold the color,
and the cost of the material went through the roof. Now most laminate
ferrules are made from a Linen cloth and melamine resin combination.



As for asbestos laminates: there were two asbestos laminate sheet
grades: A and AA. I doubt that either of these was produced in the USA
since the mid-1960's, but they were made into the 1970's in England and
Europe and likely other areas as well. I suppose that someone at some
time may have used these grades in a cue, but I can't imagine why they
would have. The material was unattractive at best: it looked like a
heavy-weave gray burlap cloth. Atlas has had no connection with these
grades since I have been in the company, which is 1972.



I hope this helps lay certain misconceptions to rest.



Richard Welch, Vp Atlas Fibre Company.
 
<my opinion>

So it would seem, If I read correctly, the paber based Micarta is the "real deal".

</my opinion>

Josh
 
Thank you!

I would, personally, like to thank the following people for providing the above information:

Richard Welch (VP, Atlas Fibre Company) for his time and effort regarding this matter.
Eric Hirsh (Atlas Billiards Supply) for his time and effort contacting and relaying information.
Paul Drexler for pointing us in the right direction (and some amazing cues).


A big THANK YOU to all these men.


Josh
 
Micarta

I too would like to thank Rich Welch, VP Atlas Fiber . . . Rich and I have had this discussion over EXACTLY what is and what is not Micarta in the past - and I am pleased that he has shared this information with the AZ community. What is very importantly here (IMO) is that Rich spoke directly about the Micarta that is the "form" that "most" players and cuemakers are after (well at least this cuemaker) - the "original" ALL PAPER based material. Here is hoping that when speaking about MICARTA there can be a bit more consensus on EXACTLY what "form" AND vintage is being discussed.
 
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