I think I was showing Small Ball aiming. And I remember that guy, too.
How did Ralph Greenleaf "Aim"?
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I think I was showing Small Ball aiming. And I remember that guy, too.
Quite honestly, every time someone writes "CTE" I have no idea what it is. You'd think I would since I'm an Aiming System Advocate, but even I get confuse when it gets described.
I know you know this, but others might be interested. There are at least 4 different "semi-official" versions of CTE out there. There are also other closely-related align-and-pivot systems like the 90/90 system. And to make things more confusing, squirt/swerve compensation systems like BHE and FHE are also considered align-and-pivot systems.
Regards,
Dave
Who considers BHE an align and pivot system? You are the only one who has ever said that. And it's certainly not an aiming method. Why must you continually throw gas on the fire?
BHE is not a system. It's a way to apply spin, one way of three possible methods.
You're missing the point, John. The idea is to spin a bunch of words into a paragraph, and link every other word or phrase such that an errant click -- any mouse click -- redirects the reader to the same page on a single website. It's a form of electronic flypaper.
-Sean
Sean,
I know you don't like it when I link to resources on my website, but some people appreciate these links. Again, if you don't want to learn more about the linked resources, don't click on the links. However, not everybody knows what all of these things mean, and some people don't understand all of the details, and some people like seeing video demonstrations. For these people, the links can be quite helpful.
Sometimes the individual linked pages are on a single resource page, but some of the resource pages are extremely long, and I think it is helpful to point directly to the specific topics of interest rather than expect the interested reader to try to find the specific materials on their own.
Again, I am sorry you don't like my contributions and posting style,
Dave
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If you refer to CTE, Pro1, 90-90 and shishkebob as "align and pivot systems" (I think offset and pivot is more appropriate, but whatever), then you can't refer to FHE and BHE as align and pivot systems as well.
Either one is or the other is, but both can't be. Offset/pivot implies your final position is center axis. Align and pivot implies you're starting from center axis and ending elsewhere.
So, your terminology is wrong somewhere. To avoid confusion, pick a winner and stick with it.
Dr. Dave:
I reply with a single question:
Must you do this in every single post -- including back-to-back posts to follow-up on a question on the very same topic?
I mean, are you getting link-juice from Google or something?
-Sean
CTE and 90/90 are examples of align-and-pivot "aiming systems." BHE and FHE are examples of align-and-pivot "squirt/swerve compensation systems." All of these systems are very different, but they all do involve alignment to an initial line (e.g., CTE offset, 90/90, or center ball) and then pivoting to the final cue direction (center-ball aim or a tip-offset position). Some people do consider BHE and FHE forms of "aiming systems" because they help somebody aim when using English. But I agree with you that CTE and BHE should probably not be discussed in the same thread; although, they can be used together.
Regards,
Dave
Not sure where you're getting your info, but you're not correct. Nobody who knows anything considers BHE or FHE "aiming systems." I wouldn't even consider them a system - they're methods of applying english. BHE/FHE doesn't help aim anything; they merely mitigate squirt (cancel out). Aiming is a separate process altogether. Otherwise, they're mitigating squirt into a black hole.
Not gonna argue with you, but your terminology is definitely confusing (which is good so you can keep linking to "the answers" to the confusion).
I guess you're the last-word on pool terminology, I dunno. G'luck with the BHE aiming system
I do it whenever I think a link might be useful or offer convenience to some AZB users. I also quote previous posts whenever I think context is important. Not everybody displays and reads threads like you do, and it can sometimes be difficult to know if a new post is in direct response to a previous post or not, especially if one is not reading a thread frequently and sequentially. Many people don't like to look back or search for previous posts. For these people, the quotes are helpful and save time.
I honestly don't even know what that means.
I have put in a tremendous amount of time, effort, and passion into creating and continually maintaining and improving my website over many, many years, and I like sharing the information I have compiled. Again, I am sorry if this annoys you or others, but some people do appreciate the links and resources.
Again, if you or others don't like the links and don't want more info on a particular topic, then don't click on the links.
Regards,
Dave
BHE/FHE help one compensate their aim when using English. Although, I agree with you that they probably shouldn't be put in the same category as "aiming systems" like CTE.
There are many types of "aiming systems" and different people use the phrase differently. To me, systems like CTE are a combination of a pre-shot routine and a basic cut-shot center-ball zero-throw aiming system (although, visual intelligence and judgement can be used to apply CTE in any situation). This certainly qualifies as an "aiming system."
There are also many "systems" for aiming kick and bank shots. Are they "aiming systems?" I think so. And when these systems are used, one must often compensate one's aim for all of the bank and kick effects that come into play when trying to use these system effectively. Is that part of the "aiming system?" I think so. There are also "systems" for adjusting one's aim for squirt, swerve, and throw. Are they "aiming systems?" I think so; although, I would agree with you that they should probably be called something else (e.g., maybe "aim compensation systems" or "systems for applying English").
Regards,
Dave
WHO? Who are these SOME PEOPLE?
Why do you take things that don't belong to you and distort them. Please name one person who matters (beside yourself) who has ever put it into "print" that BHE is an aiming system.
BHE cannot be an aiming system in the least by it's very nature. You of all people OUGHT to be the one who sees that and corrects anyone who claims it is a system much less an aiming system.
Back Hand English is the application of spin AFTER the centerball shot line has been determined. By definition the shot line is found and the shooter goes to center ball with NO SPIN and then CHOOSES the spin he wants by slightly moving the backhand to allow the tip to address the ball at the spin position.
I just can't believe that you would say that it's an aiming system with a straight face. Why you want to further confuse things is beyond me.
Why can't you simply enjoy your corner of the billiard world and revel in the parts of it that you DO understand and stay out of the ones you do not understand?
You show up in every aiming thread linking to you page of plagiarized out of context nonsense coupled with your mocking crap when you have ZERO intention of being part of clearing up how they work. You pick and choose what you will "publish" (steal) in order to be as confusing as possible to the readers. You REFUSE, 100% refuse to actually learn the methods you mock and yet you pretend to be an authority on what is and is not possible when using them.
When you are asked direct questions about the things you assert you don't answer them.
Why don't you just stick to threads that cover the things you have published books and dvds on? Position play, basics, high speed videos, etc.... And just stay away from the one topic you really don't understand and show no apparent desire to understand.
Out of all the people who troll these threads I honestly feel you are the worst. And I hate to say that because I truly admire you for all the other great stuff you have put out there. But on this subject I feel you are the WORST because out of all of us you actually have the best chance to explain it scientifically and get the actual motions down on video for deep analysis. But you have indicated you have ZERO interest in doing that.
So you prefer to simply be a troll interjecting yourself into these threads seemingly hoping that by linking to your aiming resource page, which is in fact designed to mock aiming systems as much as you can get away without being completely overt, that visitors will go there and be hopelessly confused and thus turn to your books and DVDs. At least that is how it looks to me.
And it makes me sad because as a scientist I would expect you to be curious enough to want to really figure it out by learning it and filming it as you have done with all other subjects in pool.
No, they're kicking and banking systems. If you think they are -- does that mean they are?
No, that has nothing to do with the kicking/banking systems. That has to do with compensating for environmental factors. Once again, since you "think so," doesn't mean it's correct.
Make up your mind. You're contradicting yourself in the same paragraph.
Nice evasive spin and redirection, Dr. Dave! So while I was talking about the incessant and obsessive-compulsive linking, you spun it into quoting posts, which had nothing to do with the incessant and obsessive-compulsive linking. Keeping the context of a reply (by quoting the original) is one thing; replying with EXACTLY the same links, over and over in subsequent posts is quite another. You know exactly what I'm talking about. And I was not the only one who pointed this out to you. Nice try.
Yes, you do. Nice try.
So? There are PLENTY of sites out there where the owner/proprietor/publisher has put a ton of work into 'em. This is a moot issue. And sharing info is admirable -- I live for it, in fact (my motto: "what's mine, is yours!").
But what's wrong with "See post #so-and-so above" type replies (if you've already posted the info), perhaps adding any required supplemental info needed to answer the question? It does two things: 1.) helps the reader realize that the question was already answered, and 2.) helps the reader navigate the thread to perhaps more interesting info -- which, correct me if I'm wrong -- is directly in line with *your* spirit of helping people, no?
<yawn>
-Sean
Getting back to the topic of the thread: "How did Ralph Greenleaf 'Aim'?":
I think Ralph Greenleaf used DAM to aim, but don't quote me on this. And to be clear, this is just an uninformed opinion and should not be interpreted as a factual declaration that everybody should agree with.
AZB sure if a fun way to waste a bunch of otherwise potentially productive time.
If anybody is unsure concerning which previous post I am referring to, you will need to re-read the entire thread to know.
And if anybody objects to the DAM link, please don't click on it. I wouldn't want to receive any Google Juice, whatever that may be (although it sounds yummy).
I'll catch you CTE guys later. Enjoy the remainder of the "debate."
Regards,
Dave
I think Ralph Greenleaf used DAM to aim, but don't quote me on this. And to be clear, this is just an uninformed opinion and should not be interpreted as a factual declaration that everybody should agree with.
AZB sure if a fun way to waste a bunch of otherwise potentially productive time.
If anybody is unsure concerning which previous post I am referring to, you will need to re-read the entire thread to know.
And if anybody objects to the DAM link, please don't click on it. I wouldn't want to receive any Google Juice, whatever that may be (although it sounds yummy).
I'll catch you CTE guys later. Enjoy the remainder of the "debate."
Regards,
Dave
They're not letting me define billiard terms based on my personal opinions....so....Screw you guys, I'm going hooooome.
Greenleaf using DAM??? Talk about an outrageous claim. More like PIITH; but, he always did it right.
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Thank you for telling us how Greenleaf aimed. With your credentials this statement of yours is certainly irrefutable.
I will tell everyone that you said Greenleaf used DAM.