my experience with apa in tunica

that's pretty shitty bro, I would have pitched a fit

if the handicap system works, they shouldn't need a 23-rule. removing that one rule would stop this from ever happening.

BUT...

it would also allow teams to stay together, cutting into APA's profits. gotta keep 'em making new teams...

-s

I don't know why they do that. When I played APA, my team enlisted a new player that was definitely a SL three. We put him in the division finals against a SL6 as a strategy move. This was his 10th match so he could play in the upcoming city championships. The SL6 breaks and runs to the 8 ball. When he shot the 8 on a cut shot, the CB bounced off 2 balls and scratched. Our SL 3 makes the 8 on the break. He was moved to a SL6. I can understand a 4 but a 6? WTF? He quit after the city tourney and I haven't seen him since.

she still had to win 2 games...i dont really see what the problem is.

(yes i know your handicaps got messed up. should always look during match play and match up during as well.)

Very similar reason as to why I quit playing APA after being a huge supporter for years. A 3 on my team played a 6 who promptly scratched on the 8 twice. Was bumped to a **5**. The next match lost to a 3 in **32** innings. Not a misprint...however, did not move down, and was therefor permanently "locked" at a 5 for all post session tournaments since that was the last match of the session. The next session we joined TAP and haven't looked back. Sorry for your misfortune, good luck to you!

Apa sucks .....

Have said it for years and will say it for as long as i live ...


apa sucks

calcwby4u said:

apa sucks

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Let me see if I have this right. The table is open, I am shooting at a stripe, I miscue and somehow make a solid, now I am solids and I shoot again....

Riiiiiiiiiight.

APA sucks on so many levels.

lorider said:

i have always been a staunch supporter of apa on this forum. well this weekend i got so pissed i thretened to quit the league.

we were 3-1 going into the 5th round. 1 round from getting to the money. halfway through the matches in the 5th round our scorekeeper happened to look at our scoresheet. he noticed our 2 had been raised to a 3 after the 4th round.

we had already determined our lineup before hand and i was going to play either the 4th or 5th match depending on what s/l our opponents threw out the 4th match. we had already used a 4 and a 5 and our 7 was playing the 3rd match. we were going to play me , i am a 5 and we were going to play our 2. since our 2 was raised we could not play me so we had to use a 3 instead.

our 7 won the 3rd match and we were up 2-1. they threw a 5 for the 4th and only had a 3 and a 4 left for their 5th match. we thought about it and put up our just raised 3 against their 5 and hoped our other 3 could win against their 4. needless to say we lost both matches and got put out of the tournament.

yea i know all about the handicap system but why penalize a 2 for winning against a 6 that made the 8 early one game and scratching on the 8 in another game ?

this 2 is a 63 year old lady that may make 2 balls in a row on a good night. i looked up her stats tonight . she has played 623 games with 201 win for a 34% lifetime record as a 2. you gonna raise an old lady like that in the middle of the highest paying tournament this area has ever had because a 6 had a bad night ?

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Thats exactly why i wont play apa ....you plan your roster and someone gets moved up for winning in the middle of a freaking tournament,thats just RETARDED...WHO REALY WANTS TO PLAY LIKE THAT? APA BS!!

35% win/loss is right at the threshold between a 2 and a 3. If she is above that in her last 20 matches she will get raised more times than not.

Sorry to hear that....

Handicapped leagues are tough. Every large event is going to have various issues with the handicaps. Its almost a given.

The BCA event mixed grandmaster/master/advanced and open in their 8 and 9ball events. Sounds doable on paper, with the higher ranked players giving up weight, but not in the reality of tunica 2012 where the BCA let in a few well known road players who play master speed as open players. They also only paid three spots so these road players took all the cheese too. They were short races to 5 and 7, so even the fact they underrated these action players it would have been ok if they paid 1/3 of the field.

I got a good look at NAPA while there and for 8ball handicapping its pretty good in it forces the better players to play lights out or lose. The only issues I saw at the tourny was anyone the league operators didnt know was handicapped really high. This I understand, if you dont know someone, you dont let them come in and rob the event. You rate them high and force them to play above their heads to win. Next event, after they have had a good look at you then maybe adjustments can be made.

APAs handicap system is bullshit.

Here is another great example...

I have a SL3 on my team that has lost 20-0 twice so far this session. One of those matches he didnt make a ball at all (yeah I never seen that before) Yet the league decides to keep him a 3.

One week I have to play a SL3 in 9ball. I am a SL9 and I have to spot this kid 50 points (75-25 race). I make every single 9ball in the match and play decent over all and still lose. This three was running 3-4 balls at a clip which I will say is just slightly above average for his level, but there is a massive difference between this SL3 and my SL3 as mine cant make 1 in a row.

lorider said:

several problems from my point of view.

1. we lost a shot at the money.

2. this 63 year old lady aint a legit 3 from my observation.

3. raising her forced us to play an average 3 and a bogus 3 against a good 5 and a decent 4. our plan was to put our 2 against their 5 and our strong 5 against their decent 4. we only needed 1 win to get in the money and we lost both games.

5. i can see raising a player when they have a good night. i cannot see raising a player who won her 2 games without ever pocketing the 8 ball.

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I am sorry - but you are arguing against arithmetic.

Dale

lorider said:

5. i can see raising a player when they have a good night. i cannot see raising a player who won her 2 games without ever pocketing the 8 ball.

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Not bashing, but this is one of my peeves against the APA ranking system. Hypothetically, your (or anyone elses) SL2 could have won her two games without ever even pocketing a ball in the scenario you describe. If that were to have happened (and I'm sure it HAS happened at some time in the APA's long history), how can it be deduced that they are suddenly a better player? One thing the APA 8-ball scoresheet doesn't show is how many balls the losing player made in their innings at the table. Winning two games in the manner your SL2 won hers should NEVER (imo) cause her skill level to raise from that one match. EVER!

It is of my opinion that a skill level should never be raised during the course of a tournament anyway. That should have been taken care of and policed on a week-to-week basis during normal league play and playoffs. Once you go into an APA tournament, you should (imo) remain at your current skill level going in and if you shoot well during the course of that tournament, then you could be raised after the tournament is over. If someone has been "bagging" and is suddenly shooting well over his/her skill level during a tournament, it is on that persons LO for not having done something about it previously (Don't forget, these people can be reported to your LO. If enough people do this......) Disclaimer: Any person with under 20 lifetime matches in 8 or 9-ball should be able to have their handicaps raised/lowered at ANY time.

Hang in there lorider. After many years of grief and frustrations from APA leagues/tournaments, I have learned to fade MOST of the BS that occurs. Hopefully you will too.

Maniac (it'll make you crazy if you let it)

I was raised from a 7 to an 8 in the semi finals of the Singles Regionals after eking out a couple of wins. Nobody noticed until I had reached 55 and thought I had won. Ended up winning the match by one point but got slammed in the finals by a 9.

IMO, no handicaps should be adjusted in post season tournaments. The Equalizer System is all smoke and mirrors anyway with the LO's having the authority to change handicaps at will.

You and your experiences.

Sounds like you need a bottle

steev said:

if the handicap system works, they shouldn't need a 23-rule. removing that one rule would stop this from ever happening.

BUT...

it would also allow teams to stay together, cutting into APA's profits. gotta keep 'em making new teams...

-s

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^^ This.

I somehow got talked back into playing in the APA again this last session. Unfortunately, I am a 9, and a lower handicap got raised last week. Now we cannot field a 5 man team, under 23, with me playing.

Time to quit again!