Is Jose Parica ever going to make it into the hall?

I agree, and hope to see Jose inducted into the Hall Of Fame soon!

Shame too, as he was one of the top speed warriors for many, many years....

He should have been inducted a long time ago.

Cdryden said:

Why is he not in there? Did him piss someone off or what? He has been a top finisher in a multitude of major events, a major force to contend with in almost any money game for a good 2 decades. A solid all around player. A long set monster and a legitimate threat to win any tournament he entered for a good 30 years.

So what gives?

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He is already in the One Pocket HOF, which acknowledges a player for their gambling smarts, as well as their tournament record !..Jose has plenty of accomplishments in both area's.. But the BCA is terribly lacking in recognizing "ANYTHING", other than its industry member's !..

The BCA should be re-named, the "BDNTPTGOPIAC".......the "Billiard Do Nothing To Promote The Game Of Pool In
America Congress" ...They are ONE of the reasons pool is in such horrible shape in the U.S !...They need some major lesson's, from their Asian and European counterparts ! :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQUAEJ_a4KM

A really nice interview with Jose.

Just a guess but a lot of his titles are 1p, but his titles in 9b, 8b, etc. are not the "name brand"
tournaments like the US Open, World pool championships, world pool masters, etc.
Winning Joss and Camel tour stops doesn't carry the same weight.

He has some 2nd place US Open finishes and some DCC all-arounds (all around title is no joke,
you have to play phenomenal to get it) but the judges may not care if you haven't won certain majors.

as with anything its all about politics.

bustamante being inducted before him is just craziness IMO

bustamante would agree parica should have been before him

CreeDo said:

Just a guess but a lot of his titles are 1p, but his titles in 9b, 8b, etc. are not the "name brand"
tournaments like the US Open, World pool championships, world pool masters, etc.
Winning Joss and Camel tour stops doesn't carry the same weight.

He has some 2nd place US Open finishes and some DCC all-arounds (all around title is no joke,
you have to play phenomenal to get it) but the judges may not care if you haven't won certain majors.

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Based on your reasoning it makes sense Parica is NOT in the BCA HOF. Personally, I don't care whether someone is a good guy or not. Getting into ANY HOF is about a player's contributions, skills and impact on the sport—unless of course, industry rules are broken (think Pete Rose).

(I must admit though I was introduced to Jose Parica once at Hawaiian Brian's pool room in Honolulu and all he did was stare at me; no smile, no "how are you," nothing)

Nonetheless, sounds like Jose did some damage in 1P (good job for making THAT HOF). Truthfully, I feel the standard should be raised to get into the BCA HOF. So maybe Jose doesn't belong there, but there are some in there who also DON'T belong. I won't call out anyone out of respect for the HOF deciders.

Cdryden said:

Why is he not in there? Did him piss someone off or what? He has been a top finisher in a multitude of major events, a major force to contend with in almost any money game for a good 2 decades. A solid all around player. A long set monster and a legitimate threat to win any tournament he entered for a good 30 years.

So what gives?

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His record in money games is irrelevant, and so is his status as a long set monster. These were performances behind closed doors at which the game's fans were, for the most part, not present. I give the BCA a lot of credit for ignoring such efforts.

In pro competition, his resume is solid but certainly not spectacular. To me, his greatest pro credential is that he finished ranked first on the Camel Tour in, I think, 1998. He hasn't snapped off the sport's biggest titles very often.

It's not like the Earl Strickland HOF argument of several years ago. Earl had won the game's biggest titles and, in some cases, many times over. His snub was ridiculous given his competitive resume.

I agree that Jose Parica belongs, but it's not cut and dried.

Some of you are mistaken that Jose has no worthy championship titles. In fact, he has over a hundred titles altogether. He stayed at my house about 10 years ago, and he had a list of them. I don't know all of them, but I do know he won the first world championship in Japan in 1979, before Matchroom started hosting the world tournaments. He told me out of his mouth these facts, and I believe him.

You can see some of his titles on his Wiki page ---> HERE

Jose was heralded at a Super Star long befoer Efren Reyes in Philippines, and as most know, Jose was in fact the leader of the Filipino Invasion.

Though Jose does play one-pocket well in the latter years of his career, he was afierce 9-ball compteitor in his prime. Jose was indeed a tournament soldier long before it became the trend.

From what I have read, the rules for BCA's qualifications, Jose may now be past the age now to be inducted into the BCA's Hall of Fame. I do believe it may have been personal, the reason he did not get in.

Jose has no bad habits, doesn't drink, do drugs, or smoke. I consider him a friend. I guess you have to get to know him, but he's definitely worthy of being in the Hall of Fame. He's just not the voting committee's darling and Bustie was.

One thing I would like to add to this thread is that when Jose Parica was a full-time tournament soldier, the digital age had not begun. There is also, as most know, not much by way of a pool archives for American players, much less our brethren of Filipino players from the '70s.

While Bustamante, Alcano, Reyes, Santos, Pagulayan are well-known champions, there is more digital footage of their mark in the pool world. Jose's trek in the pool world started before Efren's rise to stardom. There just is not as much known about Jose's pool history as the others, which may be why he is overlooked.

The digital age is helping to create a pool archival footprint today, so that future pool afcionados will know who's who. It is in my opinion sad that players like Jose are not given as much propers as they deserve in the pool world.

That said, make no mistake about it, Bustie is my favorite Filipino player. We are also friends. Jose Parica is a pool champion and is in my Hall of Fame, no matter what the BCA thinks. :smile:

boogeyman said:

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(I must admit though I was introduced to Jose Parica once at Hawaiian Brian's pool room in Honolulu and all he did was stare at me; no smile, no "how are you," nothing) <snip>
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was it almost as if he was looking at the "boogeyman"?

that could explain it.

best,
brian kc <--- also thinks Mr. Parica should be in the HOF, yesterday. Perhaps the best $$$ player, ever...

JAM said:

Some of you are mistaken that Jose has no worthy championship titles. In fact, he has over a hundred titles altogether. He stayed at my house about 10 years ago, and he had a list of them. I don't know all of them, but I do know he won the first world championship in Japan in 1979, before Matchroom started hosting the world tournaments. He told me out of his mouth these facts, and I believe him.

You can see some of his titles on his Wiki page ---> HERE

Jose was heralded at a Super Star long befoer Efren Reyes in Philippines, and as most know, Jose was in fact the leader of the Filipino Invasion.

Though Jose does play one-pocket well in the latter years of his career, he was afierce 9-ball compteitor in his prime. Jose was indeed a tournament soldier long before it became the trend.

From what I have read, the rules for BCA's qualifications, Jose may now be past the age now to be inducted into the BCA's Hall of Fame. I do believe it may have been personal, the reason he did not get in.

Jose has no bad habits, doesn't drink, do drugs, or smoke. I consider him a friend. I guess you have to get to know him, but he's definitely worthy of being in the Hall of Fame. He's just not the voting committee's darling and Bustie was.

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I would agree that Jose has a better competitive resume than Bustamante. I thought Bustamante to be a borderline HOFer when he was inducted. Reyes, however, seemed to win every big money title, and that's what makes you one of the all-time greats.

Jose has a solid competitive resume, but it's not loaded with the biggest titles. Thanks for sharing the list. He'd be a solid inductee, not because, but in spite of the fact that he was more concerned with gambling matches than pro event matches.

Here is a list of titles he has won:


2008 SoCal 14.1 Tournament
2005 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, 2nd place
2004 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, November 20-21 Stop, Berlin, Connecticut, first place[5]
2004 Brunswick Men's Pro Player Championship, 2nd place[5]
2003 Great Seminole Senior Open, 1st place[1]
2003 Pechauer Nine-ball West Coast Tour, Season Finale, 1st place[1]
2003 Derby City Classic, One-pocket Champion[1]
2003 Derby City Classic, Over-all Bonus Round, 2nd place[1]
2003 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, 2nd place[1]
2003 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 2, 1st place[6][7]
2003 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 4, 1st place[6][8]
2003 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 5, 2nd place[6][9]
2003 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Season Finale, 2nd place[1]
2003 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 20, 2nd place[1]
2003 Predator Atlanta Nine-ball Open, 2nd place[1]
2002 Derby City Classic, All-around Champion[6]
2002 Derby City Classic, One-pocket Division, 2nd place[6]
2002 Capital City Classic, One-pocket Champion[6]
2002 Hard Times Summer Jamboree, One-pocket Champion[6]
2002 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 24, 2nd place[6][10]
2002 Atlanta Pro Open, 2nd place[6]
2002 Senior Masters III, 2nd place[6]
2001 Derby City Classic, Nine-ball Banks Champion[11]
2001 Karabatsos Invitational Tournament, 2nd place.[11]
2001 BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, Men's Division, 2nd place[11]
2001 Reno Open, 2nd place[11]
2000 Hard Times Winter Jamboree, Nine-ball Division, 1st place[12]
2000 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 11, 1st place[11][13]
2000 Joss Northeast Tour Nine-ball, Stop 4, 2nd place[12]
2000 Joss Northeast Nine-ball Tour, Stop 13, 2nd place[11][14]
1998 8th Annual Andy Mercer Memorial Nine-ball Classic
1997 PBT Legends of Nine-ball, 1st place[15]
1997 Camel Overall Winner
1997 Camel Boston Open, 1st place[15]
1997 Camel South Jersey Open, 1st place[15]
1997 PCA Sharky's Challenge, 1st place[15]
1996 PBT Darafeev Pro Nine-ball Classic, 1st place
1996 Lion's Den Tournament, Las Vegas, NV
1996 Shooter's Open Championships
1995 On Cue Billiards Tournament, La Mesa, CA
1994 Tommy's Billiards Tournament, Mesa, AZ
World Team Championship (Team Philippines)[not specific enough to verify]
1992 Philippine Nine-ball Open Championship
1991 Florida State Open
1991 Ohio State Open
1990 Tennessee Bar Table Championship
1990 Florida State Open
1990 Ohio State Open
1990 World Pro Nine-ball Championship (Japan)
1990 Jupiter Open
1989 World Pro Nine-ball Championship (Japan)
1989 International Open Nine-ball
1989 Philippine Nine-ball Open Championship
1988 Gandy Open
1988 Japan Open
1988 World Pro Tournament
1988 Gandy Open
1986 Great American Open
1986 Clyde Childress Open, Classic Cup V USPPA Pro, first place[15]
1982 Playboy All-around Classic
1980 International,[not specific enough to verify] Taiwan, All-around Champion
1980 Philippine Nine-ball Open Championship
1979 Japan Open
1978 International,[not specific enough to verify] Japan, All-around Champion
Philippine Hall of Fame awardee

Cdryden said:

Why is he not in there? Did him piss someone off or what? He has been a top finisher in a multitude of major events, a major force to contend with in almost any money game for a good 2 decades. A solid all around player. A long set monster and a legitimate threat to win any tournament he entered for a good 30 years.

So what gives?

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I would really like to see Jose in the HOF
I heard someone .....maybe Hopkins say it was because he hasn't won a US Open
I think he deserves to be there

sjm said:

I would agree that Jose has a better competitive resume than Bustamante. I thought Bustamante to be a borderline HOFer when he was inducted. Reyes, however, seemed to win every big money title, and that's what makes you one of the all-time greats.

Jose has a solid competitive resume, but it's not loaded with the biggest titles. Thanks for sharing the list. He'd be a solid inductee, not because, but in spite of the fact that he was more concerned with gambling matches than pro event matches.

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SJM, the titles Efren is winning or has won were not around at the time Jose was in his prime on the tournament trail. In fact, there were not that many "big titles" back then, and the ones that were around, most Americans are not even cognizant of them due to the poor media coverage in pool on a global scale at this time.

If you were to speak with Jose, you might come away with a different thought about how he feels about his tournament wins and gambling exploits. I have spoken to him numerous times, and Jose believes his tournament accomplishments are strong. When he speaks about them, he's proud and boasts how he's a champion, first world champion which took place in Japan.

Since that time, we are privy to more high-profile tournaments thanks to Matchroom Sport and the digital age.

I beleive Jose got ripped off as far as him being heralded into the HOF, but it doesn't matter what I think. It matters how those industry members feel, I guess, or those who voted. Last time I checked, it was a group consisting of media-type people. I guess they voted who they believed to be the best. There can only be one winner, right? :smile:

We could throw an"AZ Billiards Hell Fit"
Whose toes do we need to step on lol