DCC Show Me The Money
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HIlarious.
All these responses, and not a second post from the thread starter. An obvious troll post, but there everyone is, taking him seriously... Lol.
Short Bus Russ - Internet C Player
All these responses, and not a second post from the thread starter. An obvious troll post, but there everyone is, taking him seriously... Lol.
Short Bus Russ - Internet C Player
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Another reason is the fact that most pool players can't afford it. It's tough to fade being stuck $1000 before you get to hit one ball and that's just for the room, which by the way is a little shady when a lot of people are paying less right off the street. The food is outrageous $$ and mediocre at best unless you eat Binions 3 times a day. Anyone who thinks the casino isn't making 10 times what they would if the DCC wasn't there that week is living in a fantasy world. The Horseshoe could care less about the players and spectators and it shows. It's a great event and a testament to peoples love for pool but trust in one thing, the venue and promoter is making enough money that it could be better. The facade has been over for a long time.....
PBF
It's called opportunity cost... They could run a big poker event on those same dates and make way more off those players than the pool players....
The only reason they even let us in there is because of Greg Sullivan and his attempts to bring events to many of the Harrahs Casinos....
The only facade here is your delusion that they are making the money you think... DCC barely makes the grade for existing... All you have to do is understand what happened with the Southern Classic in Tunica to see the writing on the walls.......
Chris
By my reckoning, for the 2013 DCC's 4 big events:
Prize money: Banks = $45,300, One-Pocket = $50,125, 9-Ball = 66,700, Bigfoot = $50,000, All-Around = $25,000, Total = $237,125
Entry Fees: Banks = $38,830, One-Pocket = $37,800, 9-Ball = $44,320, Bigfoot = $32,000, Total = $152,950
Buy-Ins: Banks = $14,150, One-Pocket = $14,700, 9-Ball = $17,200, Total = $46,050
Therefore, Money Added = Prize Money - (Entry Fees + Buy-Ins) = $38,125
Another form of "money added" is the expenses incurred to host the events. I am ignorant as to what those expenses are.
[These numbers are all calculated from public information posted on the DCC website earlier this year: Banks -- 353 entries @ $110 and 283 buy-ins @ $50; One-Pocket -- 280 entries @ $135 and 196 buy-ins @ $75; 9-Ball -- 277 entries @ $160 and 172 buy-ins @ $100. My counts could be off by a few here and there, but not by much.]
I just spent a small bundle flying out to Vegas to watch the MC for a few days. I categorized the expense as "entertainment." The DCC gives me the chance to see the same champions, a few more, AND I get to crawl out of the stands and actually play them. How cool is that?! For all but a small handful of the bestest players out there the DCC is "entertainment" and should be considered as such.
Lou Figueroa
I completely agree. I'm not a pro player, not even close. This is the chance to watch and play the best. So you gotta pay a little. Like you said entertainment. Some people don't go on vacation I guess
I'd rather have a money short derby than no derby at all. How many pool events, not tournaments, do we have left.
Short Bus Russ - Real life A player.
One thing he is not is a troll. He made a post asking why more money is not put up for the players. He did not say he could not afford to go. Huey gives a damn about POOL not just himself. He has been around the game a very long time and has seen the decline in the game. He does not need the ego boost so many of the haters need. He has played and beat most of those who you only wish you could be on a table with.
Maybe the point is being missed. The added money should be better, period. I think Greg Sullivan is entitled to make as much as he can. I think the casino should make as much as it can. So what would it take to increase the added money? I run tournaments all the time in my room and I've had to increase the added money to keep up the interest in the game. The players want better payoffs and they deserve better payoffs.
better payoffs
i don't see Shane complaining... if you want a better payoff,,practice..and place higher in the positioning....
Derby is the only thing I can look forward to every year, there is nothing close to it.
i don't see Shane complaining... if you want a better payoff,,practice..and place higher in the positioning....
Derby is the only thing I can look forward to every year, there is nothing close to it.
Maybe Greg should operate like the guy's at Bonus Ball ???...Promise the moon, and then go busted, and stiff everybody !...As witnessed by Tunica, Greg is trying to GROW the sport, while still using sound business practices... It remains to be seen, how long he (or Mark G.) will tolerate being kicked in the teeth, by unscrupulous promoter's and, some of the top player's themselves !
Just maybe pool has reached its "Big Tournament" saturation point ?..I'm sure Greg has analyzed this correctly, and will proceed accordingly !..Anyone who cannot see how risky a venture this can be, does NOT understand how 'pool' OR business works. Lets be glad we still have a few 'pool lover's, willing to take those risks ! And, lets be thankful we have another DCC to look forward to.
Dick McMorran
Just maybe pool has reached its "Big Tournament" saturation point ?..I'm sure Greg has analyzed this correctly, and will proceed accordingly !..Anyone who cannot see how risky a venture this can be, does NOT understand how 'pool' OR business works. Lets be glad we still have a few 'pool lover's, willing to take those risks ! And, lets be thankful we have another DCC to look forward to.
Dick McMorran
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I keep telling players... If you want to win more money... Pay a higher entry fee and get more players to do the same... Where is all this added (free) $$$ suppose to come from? I would really like to know.
How much are you going to add? It's was stated by Jay they added 100k overall that's a lot of cash. I'm not sure where you live but take a dozen guys from your "room" and that will jack up the payouts.
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The fact is, you need to cut your expenses in some way. No matter how you look at it the payout doesn't support traveling a long distance at a big expense. Those lucky enough to be able to drive in, have a place to stay that is a reasonable price would find it actually a bargain. Say, four guys traveling together, sharing expenses it can be very reasonable. There is certainly nothing else like it going on today in the US. I kind of wish it was twice a year.
I can not agree with this line of reasoning at all. Though we all want pool to thrive as a viable endeavor, the players only deserve any money if they add value to the event. Aside from deriving personal satisfaction from playing well, which is a valid end in itself, playing pool has little value to anyone other than the players currently. If players were to help promote the game, or even their individual abilities into some entertainment for some spectators, then I think you could argue that the players "deserve" more money. When you go to the DCC this time, take note of how many non-player spectators are in the stands. Sad to say very, very little.
The equation is this: more $ = more asses in seats.
Sadly, many/most players seem unable/unwilling to do any promotion of themselfs or the game. In fact, many seem to be stuck in the laughable rut of a mentatlity that involves "flying under the radar". "Flying under the radar" is the best and most efficient way to die broke, as history for many a pool player has shown beyond any reasonable doubt. I don't care much for watching sports myself, but I know who A-Rod is for instance. How much of his fortune do you suppose he earned by staying unknown??? Jeanette Lee is one pool player that knew how how to go about a proper career and I can assure you that hustling $5 or even $500 per game in bars around the nation was not an option that was even considered.
Cheers and best of rolls at the DCC and beyond.
Note: Can't go myself this year, as I will be nursing an ailing wife post surgery at that time.
I agree. Everyone always wants to compare it to poker. Poker players put up the $. They do not wait at home until they see "added or guaranteed" money before they commit like the pool players do. Its for that reason i dont think you can compare the two.
As much as I enjoy tournaments I think they are flawed for representation for Professionals. Tournaments are just something to do. Nobody in their right mind wants to put up say $500 of their own money to play against equal skilled players where you have to finish top 3 to gain money. Your better off putting that $500 into action in a one on one tourney.
It is my opinion that the "Professionals" will need some sort of league/team/etc type of play for it to work as a profession. Bonus ball concept I enjoyed with the exception of the game itself. However I do not see a revenue stream around a corner anytime soon.
As to clothing I can see both sides. Jeans are not necessarily bad. I believe wearing sweats or workout type shorts is a problem. So many times I see people get around the dress code because they wear a "sponsor" t-shirt. There are plenty of other mainstream sports/games where there are no clothing requirements and individuals uniqueness can be presented. X-games, MMA, etc. Everyone should just be presentable in their own way.
$2,000, are you doing the whole 9 days?
200 bucks a day for a 'pool vacation' is actually a decent deal even if you don't win a dime.
I don't think it's realistic think they will add more money just because people want it...
of course people want more money
But maybe you can save some yourself. They have a deal with the hotel,
commit to a full 9 day stay and it's $100 a day, but each additional occupant is only another $5.
So split a room with someone (or 2 people) and you can get the hotel really cheap.
200 bucks a day for a 'pool vacation' is actually a decent deal even if you don't win a dime.
I don't think it's realistic think they will add more money just because people want it...
of course people want more money
But maybe you can save some yourself. They have a deal with the hotel,
commit to a full 9 day stay and it's $100 a day, but each additional occupant is only another $5.
So split a room with someone (or 2 people) and you can get the hotel really cheap.
lol MMA... "you are now required to fight in dockers and a polo.
For the finals you must wear a full tuxedo with vest and bowtie."