Therefore, a 6 pointer with recuts is not a 12 point cue nor is a 6 pointer with double re-cuts an 18 point cue. The more you know....
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PSA: A point with a Re-Cut inside is not 2 points
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The problem is that the makers are some of the ones that are doing the counting...
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His PSA is aimed at a really cheesy dealer...
Also, if a cue has 6 points above and below the wrap, does it count as a 12 pointer? That always seemed silly to me as well.
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Not a stab at anyone in particular, just to the the part of the public that thinks it is ok to insult the intelligence of buying population and tries to make their cues to be more than they are.
Fair enough, I will rephrase: I saw a really cheesy dealer doing the same thing recently. He fits the bill entirely.
Surely some cue makers around here wouldn't do that? How about just making cues with no points? It works for a few around here.
most I know don't.
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I did learn something from your OP. Thanks for the insight.
When you cut a point into a cue. And then cut another point into a cue and each time you cut another point into a cue it is multiple points. So three recuts inside of one point counts as four points in my book. So four times around the forearm would be 16 points.
in other words you are using a point shaped inlay. An inlay is not a point. A point is not a term used just to describe a shape it is also used to mean a prong. An inlay is not a prong and not a point. I know, you are going to say it is not an lnlay. I argue it is, but in any event, it is still not a point. What ever someone wants to do inside the point, have at it, it is still all within 1 point.
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OMG, you have no idea what you are talking out.
Chris Hightower is correct. It's about the work involved.
Cutting a point into a forearm and all the work involved in doing so is one point. When that point is complete and then you start the work to cut a 2nd point, whether or not it's into a preexisting point or into a fresh part of the forearm, it is indeed a second point. PERIOD.
I'd love to hear your conversation with a well known and respected cue maker arguing a price over a cue with recuts. They'd hang up on you in a second....
Next thing you will say a inlay within an inlay is only one inlay.....
Chris Hightower is correct. It's about the work involved.
Cutting a point into a forearm and all the work involved in doing so is one point. When that point is complete and then you start the work to cut a 2nd point, whether or not it's into a preexisting point or into a fresh part of the forearm, it is indeed a second point. PERIOD.
I'd love to hear your conversation with a well known and respected cue maker arguing a price over a cue with recuts. They'd hang up on you in a second....
Next thing you will say a inlay within an inlay is only one inlay.....
let me ask this? is their MORE work in a cue with recut points VS cues with no recuts and veneers????
if more work = more expense all things being equal then it is only logical????? Yes????
cue maker would/must charge more and seller must recoup the up charges for the extra work!
KD
My comment has nothing to do with amount of work or cost/price, only terminology. Sure it is more work and should be worth more money. It is still only one point, albeit a more expensive point.
Nope, i can count inlays pretty good. My comment has nothing to do with price, only terminology.
I know how they are constructed. I say that just because you cut into a point already there to make a smaller one inside it does not become 2 points. It is a point with a point shaped inlay cut, grooved and placed into the first point.
Ed young called this a 5 point cue, call him and argue with him.
Joel Hercek, refers to points as prongs, tell him a 4 prong cue with recuts is an 8 point cue.
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Ernie, in an email to me called the one with the recuts "a 6 pointer with BEM re-cuts". These cue makers know what it is called. A few cue makers and dealers want to call it 12 points, they are mistaken. Again, nothing to do with value/price/time/effort. I think they are very nice looking that is why I own 2 and have another big cue from Ed young coming.
I think part of the problem came about with the advent of CNC & Panto. Although the meaning of prong stayed the same, the meaning/definition of point changed. By that logic, a 4 prong cue could have 8 points cut into it.
Although, I see the argument for both. I have similar feelings for folks that count slotted or otherwise billeted fancy ring-work as inlays. ie, Josswest boxed rings, EY boxed rings, etc.
Although, I see the argument for both. I have similar feelings for folks that count slotted or otherwise billeted fancy ring-work as inlays. ie, Josswest boxed rings, EY boxed rings, etc.