What Type of Cueist Are You & Why Do You Think Your Way is Best?

I aim close to the CB (a few mm) then I pull back as smoothly as possible and try to hit the CB where I first aimed at.

I don't know what a pendulum or piston is and I can't seem to understand from the descriptions. Is it wrong now? Am I doing it all wrong? I also don't know how to pull instead of push thru the CB :frown: :sorry:

No, it's not "wrong" at all & you're not doing it "wrong".

You're focusing on moving the cue to hit the ball where you want & doing so naturally.

My description of what I do is only from the detached outside looking in. I NEVER give any of it a single thought when hitting any shot.

I basically do the same thing that you do.

But... I would hazard to say that if some saw you, they would tell you that you need lessons from a certified instructor because you are doing it "wrong" or in a bad manner.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.
 
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Hmm...45 pages of Azb coaches claiming that the pendulum stroke is better than the stroke virtually every pro is using. Fantastic. It was nonsense then, and it is nonsense now, but it's good to see them all agree, I guess. I'm still waiting for the book "You're winning wrong!", but I guess it won't sell much unless it cracks the 70 buck barrier.

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But I find myself wondering about you raking me over the coals yesterday(even though I did not initiate this detour) while basically defending what you post against today.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.
 
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Hmm...45 pages of Azb coaches claiming that the pendulum stroke is better than the stroke virtually every pro is using. Fantastic. It was nonsense then, and it is nonsense now, but it's good to see them all agree, I guess. I'm still waiting for the book "You're winning wrong!", but I guess it won't sell much unless it cracks the 70 buck barrier.

If that is all you got out of that thread, you might want to read it again. ;)
 
If that is all you got out of that thread, you might want to read it again. ;)

yea whole dam thread about the differing components of the piston and pendulum.....as if they going to go through 45 pages lol....lot of work neil....


probably gave up before it even started to begin to get good
 
The Digging Proverb

There is an old proverb somewhere probably made up by a farmer that says:

If you find yourself in a hole and you want out, stop Digging!


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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That would only apply if one were digging to start with.

Who might you see digging themselves into a hole?

Since there was no commentary along with the posting of that pic & given the recent tone & tenure & to whom most of his recent posts are to or about,

I would take that to be more of a physical threat directed at me.

Sort of like, 'Dig your grave, because I/we are going to bury you.

What do you think?

Best Wishes.
 
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theres the pudding i was talking about ladies and gents ^^^^

pot stirring at its finest everyone.....guy 1500 miles away says quit digging a hole......it becomes a some severe threat suddenly....
 

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pot stirring at its finest everyone.....guy 1500 miles away says quit digging a hole......it becomes a some severe threat suddenly....

I don't have any, but have you ever heard of 'friends' in low places?

How about planes?

How about making a threat, just for the possible intimidation factor?

That post of yours a bit back was a rather threatening attempt at intimidation.

You can try to cloak or veil it however you like, but it was what it was.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

PS Since he has not responded, can you tell me/us why RandyG is no longer President of the PBIA? I saw it when I was at the site & I'm just wondering why that is.
 
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This whole train wreck of a thread needs to be buried.

Only you would see it as a threat.

What a piece of work you are. Rickdiculas

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

Jesus is watching.




I don't have any, but have you ever heard of 'friends' in low places?

How about planes?

How about making a threat, just for the possible intimidation factor?

That post of yours a bit back was a rather threatening attempt at intimidation.

You can try to cloak or veil it however you like, but it was what it was.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

PS Since he has not responded, can you tell me/us why RandyG is no longer President of the PBIA? I saw it when I was at the site & I'm just wondering why that is.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That would only apply if one were digging to start with.

Who might you see digging themselves into a hole?

Since there was no commentary along with the posting of that pic & given the recent tone & tenure & to whom most of his recent posts are to or about,

I would take that to be more of a physical threat directed at me.

Sort of like, 'Dig your grave, because I/we are going to bury you.

What do you think?

Best Wishes.

Dude, seriously? You are incredibly self centered. So much so that you post these attention seeking threads under the guise of spreading information and then cry woe is me when someone calls you out?

Then you start calling people bullies, creating magical threats against your person and start bringing up whether some one is a "christian man." Not to mention talking about visits to a clinical psychologist. Which is what? A weakness? Nearly 1 in 5 Americans suffer from a form of mental illness? Making light of something like that is ignorant. I'm not saying this because I think you should be PC, I'm simply calling you a belligerent hypocrite.

I feel sorry for you because you probably think you have never been wrong.


BTW every contact from a cue to a cue ball is by definition a pushing force. So the end result is still the same whether you feel like you pushed or pull, threw or jabbed. The difference can be feel, accuracy, and consistency, but at the end of the day you aren't saying that there is more than one way, what you are saying is that people are wrong for believing there is one way or that their is a better way.

Inherently, no stroke is equal to another because of the strengths and weaknesses. So depending on which pros and cons you focus on. A MAJORITY of instructors recommend a pendulum stroke for people who want to LEARN how to play pool. Did it ever occur to you that the people with natural ability don't need the lessons in the first place which is part of the reason that they are the pros? Simple mechanics are easier to teach to a newbie who doesn't have a knack for the game.

So lets compare snooker players to pool players for a second. Snooker has a widely accepted basis of fundamentals, pool other than stance and stroke tempo, has a very similar set of standards, plenty of top players deviate slightly from this in both sports but there a very few players who have a wrist turn, reset elbow position, and 12" bridge like SVB. Most of the top European players have a strokes that are based of a hybrid of the 2 principles, and a majority drop their elbow after contact.

Finally. How do you play? What is your basis of expertise and why should a new player listen to you rather than the masses, when you haven't show a thing on video or given a lesson that someone has attested to? You basicly just repeat CJ Wiley, who among a lot of pros and top players is a crackpot joke.

You can call me a bully all you want but if someone who is painfully passive aggressive and a hides behind a mask of victim hood as AZs David vs. Goliath, calls me a bully, I will simply chuckle and smile because they clearly need therapy. I'd know because I have been through more in the last 5 years than most people do in their entire lives and have done everything I can to better my self from a mental health perspective.

Heads.
 
This whole train wreck of a thread needs to be buried.

Only you would see it as a threat.

What a piece of work you are. Rickdiculas

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

Jesus is watching.

I'm not the one posting a picture of a man digging what is apparently a grave.

Yours is the attitude that seems to be prevalent by some now.

We can not logically or rationally discuss our position sufficiently so let's get the thread 'buried'.

One group always seems to 'run' from logical rational discussion by either using the 'attack the messenger' tactic or by lobbying for the thread to be shut down or removed or a poster banned.

I don't think that the unbiased neutral members & visitors are blind to that reoccurring situation.

Would you care to explain the intent & meaning of your posting of that picture?

Quick, Please explain. Don't take time to think something up. Just tell the truth.
 
I don't have any, but have you ever heard of 'friends' in low places?

How about planes?

How about making a threat, just for the possible intimidation factor?

That post of yours a bit back was a rather threatening attempt at intimidation.

You can try to cloak or veil it however you like, but it was what it was.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

PS Since he has not responded, can you tell me/us why RandyG is no longer President of the PBIA? I saw it when I was at the site & I'm just wondering why that is.

your just dense rick.....and you dont understand that i dont need to fight a man over a topic with my bare hands, when my knowledge and words can crush him for me.

I may know the SPF/PBIA stuff thats predominately pendulum.....but ummmm yea i know plenty about plenty diff strokes.

I'm no 5 speed. I'm not earl either but the pearl did tell me the strokes beautiful....but i've gotten in the box more than once with world class players and done dam good Beat parica once, last time Gabe and i played he busted my balls 4-3.....and i'm a one pocket aficinado. We use way more tools than rotational and 8 ball game players alone.

maybe i'll show you tyler strawns inside out...........NAHHHHHHHH never.

But you can go re read all 45 pages for a while and learn something about both ends.
 
I'm not the one posting a picture of a man digging what is apparently a grave.

Yours is the attitude that seems to be prevalent by some now.

We can not logically or rationally discuss our position sufficiently so let's get the thread 'buried'.

One group always seems to 'run' from logical rational discussion by either using the 'attack the messenger' tactic or by lobbying for the thread to be shut down or removed or a poster banned.

I don't think that the unbiased neutral members & visitors are blind to that reoccurring situation.

Would you care to explain the intent & meaning of your posting of that picture?

Quick, Please explain. Don't take time to think something up. Just tell the truth.

Rick.....because your being a donkey and just keep digging yourslef a deeper hole. And i'm pretty sure if we took a whole forum poll thats exactly what would be the consesus.........

but the pool illuminatti would have rigged it i'm sure
 
I already did, can't you read?

Do I need to post pictures you can understand better? Sorry but I won't post those kind of pictures.

My Christian background wont allow it.



I'm not the one posting a picture of a man digging what is apparently a grave.

Yours is the attitude that seems to be prevalent by some now.

We can not logically or rationally discuss our position sufficiently so let's get the thread 'buried'.

One group always seems to 'run' from logical rational discussion by either using the 'attack the messenger' tactic or by lobbying for the thread to be shut down or removed or a poster banned.

I don't think that the unbiased neutral members & visitors are blind to that reoccurring situation.

Would you care to explain the intent & meaning of your posting of that picture?

Quick, Please explain. Don't take time to think something up. Just tell the truth.
 
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Dude, seriously? You are incredibly self centered. So much so that you post these attention seeking threads under the guise of spreading information and then cry woe is me when someone calls you out?


Then you start calling people bullies, creating magical threats against your person and start bringing up whether some one is a "christian man." Not to mention talking about visits to a clinical psychologist. Which is what? A weakness? Nearly 1 in 5 Americans suffer from a form of mental illness? Making light of something like that is ignorant. I'm not saying this because I think you should be PC, I'm simply calling you a belligerent hypocrite.

I feel sorry for you because you probably think you have never been wrong.

True mental health is a very serious issue... but...

Many go to or have been sent to clinical psychologists that are not in any way mentally sick.

My reference was to those that have been & then want to come out & diagnose & treat every individual as though those individuals are mentally sick.

The problem with that kind of psychology is the cookie cutter clinical crap.

We are all extremely different no matter how alike we are.


BTW every contact from a cue to a cue ball is by definition a pushing force. So the end result is still the same whether you feel like you pushed or pull, threw or jabbed. The difference can be feel, accuracy, and consistency, but at the end of the day you aren't saying that there is more than one way, what you are saying is that people are wrong for believing there is one way or that their is a better way.

Inherently, no stroke is equal to another because of the strengths and weaknesses. So depending on which pros and cons you focus on. A MAJORITY of instructors recommend a pendulum stroke for people who want to LEARN how to play pool. Did it ever occur to you that the people with natural ability don't need the lessons in the first place which is part of the reason that they are the pros? Simple mechanics are easier to teach to a newbie who doesn't have a knack for the game.

So lets compare snooker players to pool players for a second. Snooker has a widely accepted basis of fundamentals, pool other than stance and stroke tempo, has a very similar set of standards, plenty of top players deviate slightly from this in both sports but there a very few players who have a wrist turn, reset elbow position, and 12" bridge like SVB. Most of the top European players have a strokes that are based of a hybrid of the 2 principles, and a majority drop their elbow after contact.

Well instead of tearing that apart... let's just say that you have drank a lot of the Kool Aide & know almost all of the talking points.

Finally. How do you play? What is your basis of expertise and why should a new player listen to you rather than the masses, when you haven't show a thing on video or given a lesson that someone has attested to? You basicly just repeat CJ Wiley, who among a lot of pros and top players is a crackpot joke.

My current playing condition after an eye accident & ruptured disc at age 62 does not matter one iota as to the logical & rational analysis. Are you now going to base who is a better instructor on how well they play? I've seen a video of Mr. Lee playing.


You can call me a bully all you want but if someone who is painfully passive aggressive and a hides behind a mask of victim hood as AZs David vs. Goliath, calls me a bully, I will simply chuckle and smile because they clearly need therapy. I'd know because I have been through more in the last 5 years than most people do in their entire lives and have done everything I can to better my self from a mental health perspective.

Well that explains a lot.

I am very sorry for you that you have mental health issues. You will be in my prayers again tonight when my head hits the pillow & whenever I remember.


Heads.

ALL Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
 
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This thread is beginning to make my head hurt.

There is way more jabber-jawing and nonsense being slung back and forth than any actual knowledge being shared.

ENGLISH and his crusade to "save" somebody from possibly learning a wrong thing about pool and forever being scarred for life is lost on me. I don't see anybody on here needing to be saved. If he were to spend half as much time at the pool hall "saving" them, I think he wouldn't be wasting his saving time on here.

I only play once a week, on Sundays, and I see TONS of APA pool players that need some serious saving and I would say 99.9% of the time that I've ever mentioned AZB to one of them, they didn't have a CLUE as to what it was.

When somebody makes 10 posts to 1 for every other participant, then that says something. What? I'll leave that up to you to decide on your own. And when they play the "victim" card, over and over, it says something. It seems to me that he stirs the pot up with the same BS, over and over, and then plays the victim when people don't agree with him. If you don't agree with him, he just continues posting the same stuff, over and over and over, with a bit of rewording or quoting somebody else for reinforcement.

People can agree with me on something or disagree and it matters not to me, either way. I post what I think works for me and may work for others, but I'm not going to get on here and preach about "saving" someone from a bad pool tip. Heaven forbid they learn something incorrectly and don't grow up famous as a rich pool champion.
 
Rick.....because your being a donkey and just keep digging yourslef a deeper hole. And i'm pretty sure if we took a whole forum poll thats exactly what would be the consesus.........

but the pool illuminatti would have rigged it i'm sure

Keebe,

When is your tour of duty over & who comes on after you?

Will it be RJ or is Neil going to give it another go?
 
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no ones taking my place.....when I last left here during some of my travels for some years everything was great here.....then apparantly the nit army showed up....

not going anywhere
-Greyghost
 
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