yesterday (9/10) was a sad day for billiards!

Geez would you guys get over it?

You guys act like someone died.

Get some cheese to go with that whine.

UGH

Ken
 
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.

Wedge

If this is the official rule of the tournament it should end the discussion. I unfortunately wasn't there on Saturday but I was there on Monday when they announced the rules and it was said that if a shot was obvious no need to call it.
 
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.

Wedge

This should end all the arguements.
 
There were a couple of posters comparing this match to apa..it just so happens that I had an incident a couple of years ago befitting that analogy.

It was the finals of 8 bal tri cups. Our teams were tied going into the last match. I played the Las match and we were tied at 3-3 in a 4-4 race. I am on the 8 ball which is hanging a few inches from the left side pocket. The cue ball is only a foot away but there are 2 of my opponent's ball in the way. I can squeeze through them but just barely. I go to our sitting area and pick up the marker to mark the pocket but also call the pocket out of habit because we dont bother marking pockets during regular session.

I bend down to look again to make sure I can squeeze past his balls then get in shooting stance and pocket the 8. Before I even straighten up the opposing captain jumps out of his chair and shouts ...we win....you did not mark the pocket. I look at the rail beside the side pocket and he was right. There was no marker there. I had absent mindedly laid it on the rail beside me while I was checking to make sure I could squeeze past my opponents balls.

The shot was obvious....there was no where else to pocket it...i had also called it. My opponent and one of his team mates came up to.mw and said I rightfully won that game and apologized for the shitty move their captain made. Their words...not mine. Mean while their captain and the rest of those players were giving each other high 5's and the captain is telling them he saw where I placed the marker and was just waiting for me to make the shot and yelling they are on their way to the Vegas qualifier.

In further comparison of that analogy. Jayson Shaw reminds me of that captain.shaw was waiting on earl to make that obvious shot so he could jump up and cry foul because he heard earl apparently call the 2 ball.

Every one on here who says Shaw should have won reminds me of the rest of that
apa team.damn integrity....damn sportsmanship...win any damn way you can.

No one on here knows why earl called the 2. No one on here knows if earl was even aware that he called the 2. Every one on here knows he was shooting at the 10 and yet most feel earl should have lost. I am.glad I dont encounter very many players with you guys mentality
 
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Very well stated. Best analogy I've read yet. I'm sure this example has happened to many of us. Reminds me of the Rolling Stones song "Winning Ugly".
 
I completely agree with your sentiments. The main reason people are making such a big deal about this is because it involves Earl. Many people don't like him for other reasons- some of them legitimate, but it is resulting in bias in this specific incident
 
westcoast;5665903..Responding to Lorider-post #46 said:
I completely agree with your sentiments. The main reason people are making such a big deal about this is because it involves Earl. Many people don't like him for other reasons- some of them legitimate, but it is resulting in bias in this specific incident.

WC, it would be quite difficult to name one person in pool, who has not gone out of their way, more than Mr Srickland, to earn all the unfavorable 'bias' they will ever receive!..There is not even a close second!

I have heard him say, more than once, to a gallery of quiet paying spectators.."You people don't even deserve to watch me play"!..How can anyone excuse that, by saying it is caused by his 'mental problems'?..He is not illiterate, he knows very well what he's doing! (its called 'inciting' a disturbance)

PS..Earl has the same problem Mike Tyson had, when he tried to chew off Holyfields ear..He just can't deal with losing!..Being a 'good sport' doesn't even enter into it..He could care less what people think of him! :(
 
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There were a couple of posters comparing this match to apa..it just so happens that I had an incident a couple of years ago befitting that analogy.

It was the finals of 8 bal tri cups. Our teams were tied going into the last match. I played the Las match and we were tied at 3-3 in a 4-4 race. I am on the 8 ball which is hanging a few inches from the left side pocket. The cue ball is only a foot away but there are 2 of my opponent's ball in the way. I can squeeze through them but just barely. I go to our sitting area and pick up the marker to mark the pocket but also call the pocket out of habit because we dont bother marking pockets during regular session.

I bend down to look again to make sure I can squeeze past his balls then get in shooting stance and pocket the 8. Before I even straighten up the opposing captain jumps out of his chair and shouts ...we win....you did not mark the pocket. I look at the rail beside the side pocket and he was right. There was no marker there. I had absent mindedly laid it on the rail beside me while I was checking to make sure I could squeeze past my opponents balls.

The shot was obvious....there was no where else to pocket it...i had also called it. My opponent and one of his team mates came up to.mw and said I rightfully won that game and apologized for the shitty move their captain made. Their words...not mine. Mean while their captain and the rest of those players were giving each other high 5's and the captain is telling them he saw where I placed the marker and was just waiting for me to make the shot and yelling they are on their way to the Vegas qualifier.

In further comparison of that analogy. Jayson Shaw reminds me of that captain.shaw was waiting on earl to make that obvious shot so he could jump up and cry foul because he heard earl apparently call the 2 ball.

Every one on here who says Shaw should have won reminds me of the rest of that
apa team.damn integrity....damn sportsmanship...win any damn way you can.

No one on here knows why earl called the 2. No one on here knows if earl was even aware that he called the 2. Every one on here knows he was shooting at the 10 and yet most feel earl should have lost. I am.glad I dont encounter very many players with you guys mentality
Good analogy. In case of your APA match it was your opponent and/or his captain choice to call the faul or considering your obvious intention let it go.
Jason did not have that choice! Earl should have said: "You're right Jason, I called the 2 by mistake, but everyone knows I meant the 10. Since there is no ref, it's your call whether to call a faul or not." I'm pretty sure, in this case Jason would let him continue shooting.

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This is the kind of stuff that happens when you lower the bar.

In the history of true 14.1 championships, there were refs at every table (wearing white gloves to wipe the balls) who stood at the tables and called every shot out loud and watched every hit. There was never a question of what ball was intended.

If tournament organizers don't want to spend the money to pay the refs to do what they're supposed to do in a 14.1 championship, then at least they should do it from the quarter-finals ---> on.
 
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.

Wedge
Wedge,

Please provide a direct link for this rule.

Thanks

Cocoa
 
On more than one occasion, I've seen my opponent down and ready to pull the trigger on the 4 ball when the 3 is still on the table. (9 ball) I tell them "Hey, you'd better shoot the 3 first." They get off the shot and realize I saved them from a foul. It's called sportsmanship.
Would I do it at 8-8 going to 9? Yes, but I also feel it's wrong for a spectator to do it.
I just don't want a tainted win.
So if spectator calls it is wrong, but if opponent calls it's good to help you, because you fail to read the table for any given reason (lack of concentration, match heat etc)

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am I the only one that saw earl call the 10 ball by pointing his cue at the ball and the pocket He might have said 2 ball but pointed at 10 ball. If im not wrong then jayson just sat there planning on calling foul which is por sportsmanship. why didn't he say Earl you mean 10 ball it was clear what he was aiming at.. not gentlemanly at all.
 
Most of you say that you point out to your opponent if he is about to play the wrong ball etc etc.
The big difference is that you are not profesionals, you play this game out of love for it. To be a profesional you need to be good at the game AND the technicalities.

Imagine if a surgeon relied on the observation skills of one of his helpers to point out to him that he forgot to do something. He might be a good surgeon, but he would loose a patien once in a while.

Point is that to be a profesional you have to be good at everything, either this be technique or technicalities.

That being said, I am not a profesional, I'm not playing in the pro tour so I have pointed out to my opponent when he was about to shoot the wrong ball. BUT when my opponent points out to me that I'm about to shoot the wrong ball, I give him ball in hand and refuse to continue shooting (if I'm forced to shoot the cue ball, I shoot it on the rail, not making any contact with an object ball). Why? Because I was about to make a mistake, and soooooo many times in the pool world you will hear that this game is not played against your opponent but against yourself. I failed to read the table corectly, so I deserve to be punished for it.
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Good analogy. In case of your APA match it was your opponent and/or his captain choice to call the faul or considering your obvious intention let it go.
Jason did not have that choice! Earl should have said: "You're right Jason, I called the 2 by mistake, but everyone knows I meant the 10. Since there is no ref, it's your call whether to call a faul or not." I'm pretty sure, in this case Jason would let him continue shooting.

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Oh yeah right. After how Jayson sprinted from his chair pointing like a little tattle tale there was zero chance Earl was getting to shoot again.

Everyone has their own perspective and biases, but I'm still surprised how many ppl think Jayson did the honorable thing here. Earl made the obvious shot he was intending while Jayson pounced on a technicality that he knew was occuring yet did not inform his opponent of.
 
am I the only one that saw earl call the 10 ball by pointing his cue at the ball and the pocket He might have said 2 ball but pointed at 10 ball. If im not wrong then jayson just sat there planning on calling foul which is por sportsmanship. why didn't he say Earl you mean 10 ball it was clear what he was aiming at.. not gentlemanly at all.
Planning? How? Earl calls 2 ball when he was about to shoot the 10 ball

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Here's the bottom line.

Earl is a Professional pool player playing in a world championship (even tho calling it a world championship is debatable).

Yes his shot and intentions were clear and obvious, but HE verbally chose to call a ball and called the wrong one.....Key word here is "Wrong" that qualifies as a "Mistake". (When you make a Mistake like that it is no longer your turn to shoot I.e. WHEN HE DID THE SAME SHIT EARLIER IN THE MATCH) When called on his mistake he then tries to and effectively does LIE! about it. (That's called cheating)

The lack of evidence via the recording of the live stream forced the TD to make a call.

The Ref was completely incompetent and should not have been allowed to oversee this match.

EARL IS A CHEATER......BOTTOM LINE!!!!

Had the video that we all have seen (taken by a spectator) surfaced during the review of the shot by the TD. He would have called a FOUL!! because that's what Earl did....HE FOULED!!

Jaysons' reaction to the shot was justified because of the incompetence of the Ref

His later actions were not ......but I probably would have done the same if I was cheated out of a world title too.
 
There were a couple of posters comparing this match to apa..it just so happens that I had an incident a couple of years ago befitting that analogy.

It was the finals of 8 bal tri cups. Our teams were tied going into the last match. I played the Las match and we were tied at 3-3 in a 4-4 race. I am on the 8 ball which is hanging a few inches from the left side pocket. The cue ball is only a foot away but there are 2 of my opponent's ball in the way. I can squeeze through them but just barely. I go to our sitting area and pick up the marker to mark the pocket but also call the pocket out of habit because we dont bother marking pockets during regular session.

I bend down to look again to make sure I can squeeze past his balls then get in shooting stance and pocket the 8. Before I even straighten up the opposing captain jumps out of his chair and shouts ...we win....you did not mark the pocket. I look at the rail beside the side pocket and he was right. There was no marker there. I had absent mindedly laid it on the rail beside me while I was checking to make sure I could squeeze past my opponents balls.

The shot was obvious....there was no where else to pocket it...i had also called it. My opponent and one of his team mates came up to.mw and said I rightfully won that game and apologized for the shitty move their captain made. Their words...not mine. Mean while their captain and the rest of those players were giving each other high 5's and the captain is telling them he saw where I placed the marker and was just waiting for me to make the shot and yelling they are on their way to the Vegas qualifier.

In further comparison of that analogy. Jayson Shaw reminds me of that captain.shaw was waiting on earl to make that obvious shot so he could jump up and cry foul because he heard earl apparently call the 2 ball.

Every one on here who says Shaw should have won reminds me of the rest of that
apa team.damn integrity....damn sportsmanship...win any damn way you can.

No one on here knows why earl called the 2. No one on here knows if earl was even aware that he called the 2. Every one on here knows he was shooting at the 10 and yet most feel earl should have lost. I am.glad I dont encounter very many players with you guys mentality

Do the rules you play by specifically say that you must "mark" the pocket? If so, then this is actually a little different (though it's still a crappy move by the opposing captain). The rules we use for 14.1, and most call shot games, is the you must make your INTENTION obvious. That means that you can say nothing if it's an obvious shot, or you can point, or say something, or whatever. At the point your intention is clear, the rule is satisfied. There's no penalty for saying the wrong ball unless it's confusing. In this case, it was obvious he meant to say 10 and said 2 instead. Jayson even admits he knew Earl was shooting the 10. The ref knew it. The commentators knew it.

So it's not even a matter of sportsmanship. It's cheating, plain and simple, because it's not in keeping with the spirit, or even letter, of the rule. The whole situation is ridiculous.

The problem is that 1/2 the people in this thread don't actually care about rules, or don't bother to read them. These are the same people that get pissed off because someone forgot to warn you're on 2 fouls (or does it at the wrong time) so the third foul doesn't count. That's a rule...you either play by the rules or your don't, and that rule is very specific when and how you must give the warning, and the consequences of not giving the warning. Want to call 3 fouls? Then pay attention and follow the damn rule. In this case, the rule is also very clear what the threshold is for a good shot. The ref must understand your intention. Period. Shame on the ref, TD and Shaw for being clueless and turning this into a circus.
 
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