There are so many threads on this I wasn't sure where to ask-
Does anyone have a link to the final list of names, places, and payouts on this event?
I've called a wrong ball before in a $35 dollar tourney and my opponent pointed it out while he laughed and let me keep shooting, if the shot is obvious it shouldn't matter
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
Wedge
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
Wedge
westcoast;5665903..Responding to Lorider-post #46 said:I completely agree with your sentiments. The main reason people are making such a big deal about this is because it involves Earl. Many people don't like him for other reasons- some of them legitimate, but it is resulting in bias in this specific incident.
Good analogy. In case of your APA match it was your opponent and/or his captain choice to call the faul or considering your obvious intention let it go.There were a couple of posters comparing this match to apa..it just so happens that I had an incident a couple of years ago befitting that analogy.
It was the finals of 8 bal tri cups. Our teams were tied going into the last match. I played the Las match and we were tied at 3-3 in a 4-4 race. I am on the 8 ball which is hanging a few inches from the left side pocket. The cue ball is only a foot away but there are 2 of my opponent's ball in the way. I can squeeze through them but just barely. I go to our sitting area and pick up the marker to mark the pocket but also call the pocket out of habit because we dont bother marking pockets during regular session.
I bend down to look again to make sure I can squeeze past his balls then get in shooting stance and pocket the 8. Before I even straighten up the opposing captain jumps out of his chair and shouts ...we win....you did not mark the pocket. I look at the rail beside the side pocket and he was right. There was no marker there. I had absent mindedly laid it on the rail beside me while I was checking to make sure I could squeeze past my opponents balls.
The shot was obvious....there was no where else to pocket it...i had also called it. My opponent and one of his team mates came up to.mw and said I rightfully won that game and apologized for the shitty move their captain made. Their words...not mine. Mean while their captain and the rest of those players were giving each other high 5's and the captain is telling them he saw where I placed the marker and was just waiting for me to make the shot and yelling they are on their way to the Vegas qualifier.
In further comparison of that analogy. Jayson Shaw reminds me of that captain.shaw was waiting on earl to make that obvious shot so he could jump up and cry foul because he heard earl apparently call the 2 ball.
Every one on here who says Shaw should have won reminds me of the rest of that
apa team.damn integrity....damn sportsmanship...win any damn way you can.
No one on here knows why earl called the 2. No one on here knows if earl was even aware that he called the 2. Every one on here knows he was shooting at the 10 and yet most feel earl should have lost. I am.glad I dont encounter very many players with you guys mentality
Wedge,"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
Wedge
So if spectator calls it is wrong, but if opponent calls it's good to help you, because you fail to read the table for any given reason (lack of concentration, match heat etc)On more than one occasion, I've seen my opponent down and ready to pull the trigger on the 4 ball when the 3 is still on the table. (9 ball) I tell them "Hey, you'd better shoot the 3 first." They get off the shot and realize I saved them from a foul. It's called sportsmanship.
Would I do it at 8-8 going to 9? Yes, but I also feel it's wrong for a spectator to do it.
I just don't want a tainted win.
Tap tapMost of you say that you point out to your opponent if he is about to play the wrong ball etc etc.
The big difference is that you are not profesionals, you play this game out of love for it. To be a profesional you need to be good at the game AND the technicalities.
Imagine if a surgeon relied on the observation skills of one of his helpers to point out to him that he forgot to do something. He might be a good surgeon, but he would loose a patien once in a while.
Point is that to be a profesional you have to be good at everything, either this be technique or technicalities.
That being said, I am not a profesional, I'm not playing in the pro tour so I have pointed out to my opponent when he was about to shoot the wrong ball. BUT when my opponent points out to me that I'm about to shoot the wrong ball, I give him ball in hand and refuse to continue shooting (if I'm forced to shoot the cue ball, I shoot it on the rail, not making any contact with an object ball). Why? Because I was about to make a mistake, and soooooo many times in the pool world you will hear that this game is not played against your opponent but against yourself. I failed to read the table corectly, so I deserve to be punished for it.
Good analogy. In case of your APA match it was your opponent and/or his captain choice to call the faul or considering your obvious intention let it go.
Jason did not have that choice! Earl should have said: "You're right Jason, I called the 2 by mistake, but everyone knows I meant the 10. Since there is no ref, it's your call whether to call a faul or not." I'm pretty sure, in this case Jason would let him continue shooting.
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Planning? How? Earl calls 2 ball when he was about to shoot the 10 ballam I the only one that saw earl call the 10 ball by pointing his cue at the ball and the pocket He might have said 2 ball but pointed at 10 ball. If im not wrong then jayson just sat there planning on calling foul which is por sportsmanship. why didn't he say Earl you mean 10 ball it was clear what he was aiming at.. not gentlemanly at all.
There were a couple of posters comparing this match to apa..it just so happens that I had an incident a couple of years ago befitting that analogy.
It was the finals of 8 bal tri cups. Our teams were tied going into the last match. I played the Las match and we were tied at 3-3 in a 4-4 race. I am on the 8 ball which is hanging a few inches from the left side pocket. The cue ball is only a foot away but there are 2 of my opponent's ball in the way. I can squeeze through them but just barely. I go to our sitting area and pick up the marker to mark the pocket but also call the pocket out of habit because we dont bother marking pockets during regular session.
I bend down to look again to make sure I can squeeze past his balls then get in shooting stance and pocket the 8. Before I even straighten up the opposing captain jumps out of his chair and shouts ...we win....you did not mark the pocket. I look at the rail beside the side pocket and he was right. There was no marker there. I had absent mindedly laid it on the rail beside me while I was checking to make sure I could squeeze past my opponents balls.
The shot was obvious....there was no where else to pocket it...i had also called it. My opponent and one of his team mates came up to.mw and said I rightfully won that game and apologized for the shitty move their captain made. Their words...not mine. Mean while their captain and the rest of those players were giving each other high 5's and the captain is telling them he saw where I placed the marker and was just waiting for me to make the shot and yelling they are on their way to the Vegas qualifier.
In further comparison of that analogy. Jayson Shaw reminds me of that captain.shaw was waiting on earl to make that obvious shot so he could jump up and cry foul because he heard earl apparently call the 2 ball.
Every one on here who says Shaw should have won reminds me of the rest of that
apa team.damn integrity....damn sportsmanship...win any damn way you can.
No one on here knows why earl called the 2. No one on here knows if earl was even aware that he called the 2. Every one on here knows he was shooting at the 10 and yet most feel earl should have lost. I am.glad I dont encounter very many players with you guys mentality