US Open - World #1 vs 2

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US Open - World #1 vs 2 (edit: #3 now)

IF Chang vs Shaw happens, how many times have the world’s top 2 players met in a final?

By the way, Kaci beat Shaw this summer at Snookers in Rhode Island. Hill-Hill, I think.
 
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RichSchultz said:
IF Chang vs Shaw happens, how many times have the world’s top 2 players met in a final?

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Oddly phrased question
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If Chang /Shaw happens, this year's 1&2 players will not have met, as far as I can see. WPA have Albin as #2, and we all know that Wu and Shane are FargoRate's best.

Various ranking systems have existed in the past, and since the vast majority had North Americans predominantly, then World 1&2 finals were more likely to happen.

In the Us Open:

1989 - Varner/Davenport were #1 and #2 at the time, all year.
1984 - Sigel / Strickland - I don't know if Earl had reached #2 status at that point. It was close.
 
Cornerman said:
Oddly phrased question
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If Chang /Shaw happens, this year's 1&2 players will not have met, as far as I can see. WPA have Albin as #2, and we all know that Wu and Shane are FargoRate's best.

Various ranking systems have existed in the past, and since the vast majority had North Americans predominantly, then World 1&2 finals were more likely to happen.

In the Us Open:

1989 - Varner/Davenport were #1 and #2 at the time, all year.
1984 - Sigel / Strickland - I don't know if Earl had reached #2 status at that point. It was close.
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Thanks Freddie. Albin did mention yesterday that he replaced Shaw at #2, but that will likely chang(e) again after this event.

Great info!
 
RichSchultz said:
Thanks Freddie. Albin did mention yesterday that he replaced Shaw at #2, but that will likely chang(e) again after this event.

Great info!
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Btw, I have both Shaw and JL Chang, my last two horses left. I hope you got it right!!!

Freddie <~~~ counting the chickens
 
RichSchultz said:
Thanks Freddie. Albin did mention yesterday that he replaced Shaw at #2, but that will likely chang(e) again after this event.

Great info!
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Albin finished as quarterfinalist in Guri (Korea) event 2 weeks ago and as result leapfrogged Shaw to 2nd
I also have Jayson and Chang as 2 of my 3 picks to win . Though I would watch out for dark horse Spaniard Sanchez Ruiz cos the Spaniards seem to win everything these days:)
 
RichSchultz said:
Thanks Freddie. Albin did mention yesterday that he replaced Shaw at #2, but that will likely chang(e) again after this event.

Great info!
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Albin finished as quarterfinalist in Guri (Korea) event 2 weeks ago and as result leapfrogged Shaw to 2nd
I also have Jayson and Chang as 2 of my 3 picks to win . Though I would watch out for dark horse Spaniard Sanchez Ruiz cos the Spaniards seem to win everything these days:)
 
RichSchultz said:
IF Chang vs Shaw happens, how many times have the world’s top 2 players met in a final?

By the way, Kaci beat Shaw this summer at Snookers in Rhode Island. Hill-Hill, I think.
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Kaci double dipped Shaw in that event 9-7 9-7, and Shaw beat him earlier in the event 9-5, so they were 23-23 for the event. Kaci also beat Shaw in the 2-out-of-3 races to 5 thing at WPS, and Kaci beat Shaw 9-7 at the Dutch Open a year ago. So Kaci has an overall winning record against Shaw after more than 60 games on our radar.

But Kaci doesn't have a winning record against Ruiz, a guy who it has been baffling me for a long time people don't talk much about. Kaci faced Ruiz at the Austria Open, the Dutch Open, a WPS event, and here at the US Open, and the record between the is 21-24

This is from a post I did a year ago. I was pointing out that the 2016 EUR Mosconi Cup team all came from the top 6 Europeans by Fargo Rating. It was Ruiz that messed up the clean sweep (graphic from Nov 2016)
 

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mikepage said:
Kaci double dipped Shaw in that event 9-7 9-7, and Shaw beat him earlier in the event 9-5, so they were 23-23 for the event. Kaci also beat Shaw in the 2-out-of-3 races to 5 thing at WPS, and Kaci beat Shaw 9-7 at the Dutch Open a year ago. So Kaci has an overall winning record against Shaw after more than 60 games on our radar.

But Kaci doesn't have a winning record against Ruiz, a guy who it has been baffling me for a long time people don't talk much about. Kaci faced Ruiz at the Austria Open, the Dutch Open, a WPS event, and here at the US Open, and the record between the is 21-24

This is from a post I did a year ago. I was pointing out that the 2016 EUR Mosconi Cup team all came from the top 6 Europeans by Fargo Rating. It was Ruiz that messed up the clean sweep (graphic from Nov 2016)
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This is one of the issues with FR.

It doesn't factor in experience. Kaci has never been this deep in the US Open before. Shaw's finished top 5 in the last 4 out of 5 years.

In situations like this (which come up often), past records aren't as important.

I don't see the point in posting Kaci's win over Shaw in a WPS event.
 
BeiberLvr said:
This is one of the issues with FR.

It doesn't factor in experience. Kaci has never been this deep in the US Open before. Shaw's finished top 5 in the last 4 out of 5 years.

In situations like this (which come up often), past records aren't as important.

I don't see the point in posting Kaci's win over Shaw in a WPS event.
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Absolutely.

There are many potential factors in a particular match that might influence the outcome: one is more susceptible to the pressure of the situation, one is working on little sleep, one's dog just died, one's girlfriend is sitting next to an "old friend," one is less familiar with the particular equipment.

I would say it is true FR doesn't consider these things and these things affect the match. But this isn't an "issue" with FR; FR doesn't intend to consider these things; nor do we say they don't matter.
 
mikepage said:
Kaci double dipped Shaw in that event 9-7 9-7, and Shaw beat him earlier in the event 9-5, so they were 23-23 for the event. Kaci also beat Shaw in the 2-out-of-3 races to 5 thing at WPS, and Kaci beat Shaw 9-7 at the Dutch Open a year ago. So Kaci has an overall winning record against Shaw after more than 60 games on our radar.

But Kaci doesn't have a winning record against Ruiz, a guy who it has been baffling me for a long time people don't talk much about. Kaci faced Ruiz at the Austria Open, the Dutch Open, a WPS event, and here at the US Open, and the record between the is 21-24

This is from a post I did a year ago. I was pointing out that the 2016 EUR Mosconi Cup team all came from the top 6 Europeans by Fargo Rating. It was Ruiz that messed up the clean sweep (graphic from Nov 2016)
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Thanks for sharing. Great data. I love this, and it's very on point.

I too am surprised to learn more about "Ferrari," as Sanchez-Ruiz is nicknamed.

Kaci is a legend in the making. This kid has it all.

That said, this may be the Year of the Beast. EVERYBODY and their mother is saying Jayson will win this year.

We'll know in a few hours, won't we? :grin:
 
mikepage said:
Absolutely.

There are many potential factors in a particular match that might influence the outcome: one is more susceptible to the pressure of the situation, one is working on little sleep, one's dog just died, one's girlfriend is sitting next to an "old friend," one is less familiar with the particular equipment.

I would say it is true FR doesn't consider these things and these things affect the match. But this isn't an "issue" with FR; FR doesn't intend to consider these things; nor do we say they don't matter.
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I can accept that answer.

Any response to the relevancy of including Kaci's win over Shaw in a WPS event?

WPS is 8 ball.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I can accept that answer.

Any response to the relevancy of including Kaci's win over Shaw in a WPS event?

WPS is 8 ball.
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The degree to which a player who is favored to win in 9-Ball over another player is also favored to win in 8-Ball is pretty high. We've seen this pretty clearly. But OK, they are different games and there are subtle differences in the expectations.

Whether the 8-Ball historical results ADD information to the 9-Ball historical results for predicting 9-Ball outcomes depends on how much 9-Ball information you have.

If we had 500 games of head-to-head 9-Ball history between these two, then I agree including 8-Ball results would probably not add information.

But in our actual situation it is very relevant.
 
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