Want to see someone promoting the game? Go to St. Louis.

Williebetmore

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We so often discuss the promotion and advancement of the sport on this board, it is heartwarming to see someone actually DOING IT. I just finished a 3-day stay with Mark Wilson at his Billiards Bullpen in Collinsville, IL (St. Louis suburb). To say I was impressed would be the understatement of the century.

Mark has a small hall, a GCIV, 2 GCIII's, and a bar table. He has turned this hall into a haven for the serious pool fanatic. He insists on good behavior and proper etiquette from all of the patrons. He encourages all of the kids (10-20 year olds) to play seriously and advance their game. His wife who works there part time, "mothers" the kids and takes an interest in them. Mark makes the rounds and interacts with every player that comes in, offering tips and helping when needed. He offers a competion several times a week. He has a handicapped straight pool league, handicapped bar table 9-ball tournament, and an open 9-ball tournament on the 9-footers.

The quality of play amongst the patrons is uniformly high (including the 10-14 year olds who are unbelieveable at that age), and virtually all of them showed themselves to be good sports and students of the game. It couldn't possibly be more different from the usual scuzzy pool halls with which I am familiar. No sitting on the tables, no throwing cues, no food on the tables. No obnoxious behavior or loud sharking (well, except for me; but I was playing RackinZack/zeeder, and he was shooting LIGHTS OUT, I had to do something to slow him down, you all understand). If this poolhall was in my town, I would be there EVERY DAY. If my kids were interested in pool, I would let them go there every day. Mark is really building interest in the elegance and science of top level pool. If people were doing this in other towns, pool would just explode in the next 10 to 20 years.

It seems that Sarah Rousey is also in for some kudo's. She frequents the Billiards Bullpen, and from what I hear has been incredibly generous with her time and energy - encouraging the kids, and taking on all comers for some competition (with or without gambling). The kids think she is "the bomb", and her presence has certainly encouraged them to seriously study the game and try to advance their skills.

The lessons with Mark were incredibly productive; as I've said many times any of you degenerate pool fanatics that can't run 100 need to see Mark ASAP - if you are willing to work hard (there is no easy shortcut) he can get you there (just my opinion).

I also met Zim of ZimsRack fame, who is also involved in beginning and promoting a 9-ball tournament series to several of the St. Louis area rooms - good luck Zim!! I also got in a straight pool game with Zack (RackinZack/zeeder) who made the trip from central Missouri to put up with my sharking. I also got in a game with Sarah Rousey (who was gracious enough to alter her schedule to wait for my arrival) - unfortunately she caught me cold, right out of the car (5 hour trip), unfamiliar table (I've never played on Simonis 760 before), sick as a dog from a sinus infection - needless to say I was pummelled. If I hadn't been sick, I would have had to shark her. Did I mention that the sun was in my eyes (I think I covered all of my other plausible excuses for mediocre play)?? Many thanks to Sarah, I had a GREAT time; and you have joined a very exclusive and prestigious club - I'm developing quite a list of great players that have stomped me at straight pool, and you are now a member of the club.

I hope all serious players who are in the neighborhood will pop in for a game or two; and I hope all serious students of the game who play as badly as I do will consider some lessons with Mark - support people who are contributing to the growth of our sport.

P.S. - DrCue'sProtege, this was my 4th or 5th lesson with Mark and he has changed my stance EVERY time we meet - what he tells me, and what I end up doing are 2 different things. He reports that this is a VERY common occurence among students, and he also reports that he does NOT have 1 stance for everybody; just wants Comfort, Clearance (stroking arm free), and Balance; and there are multiple ways to accomplish this. I think you may have misinterpreted his advice. JMO
 
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Williebetmore,

I couldn't agree with you more about Mark, his family, and his pool room. I have never met people so generous. They made me feel right at home when I first moved to the St. Louis area. I have never felt so much support (besides my own family). Best of all, you will never enter another pool room that is so well kept.

You are correct about all of the patrons as well. If pool was encouraged in this way, it would definitely be a huge sport. I don't think that I have ever seen anyone throw a temper tantrum or be disrespectful to another player. Everyone that frequents the room is fairly young, but you would never know. Everyone is quite serious about the game and everyone wants to get better.

Thanks again for the game of straight pool. I haven't played against anyone at that game in quite some time. I needed the advantage of you being cold and all of the other things in order to win....I know my competition. :) Just kidding. I didn't really play my best either. Perhaps we are in for a rematch at a later date. I'm sorry I didn't have time for a few more games.

Zim...it was also nice to meet you. Good luck with the tour. I forgot to tell you that if you need help with anything let me know.

So if you are in the St. Louis area, be sure to stop by The Billiards Bullpen. Someone is always there ready to play...for money or not. And if you are looking for lessons, Mark is definitely the man to see. You will not meet another person that is so easy to get along with and understanding of your needs.

Sarah
 
I had a blast going over to STL to meet up with Willie at Mark's place! It's always great to talk to Mark and getting to play in the mini bar table tourney was an interesting experience. I missed the easiest 8-ball in the history of pool to miss out on getting third...lol. Although I have to say I've never given anyone the 6 out before!

The straight pool game with Willie was very fun. I never get to play the game around here and it's good to play someone who'll keep you on your toes as well as hone your concentration and ability to block out sharking. :D Needless to say, the entire way home I was thinking about how I would love to live closer to STL so I could frequent Mark's room and especially make it to the straight pool league and other tournaments he holds! I completely agree with what Willie and Sarah have said, if you can make it to The Billiard Bullpen then by all means do!
 
Great Thread Willie!! It's nice to hear some real positive things about this game!! Kudos to Mark and Zim!!
 
sure wish i had a place like Mark Wilson's Billiards Bullpen close to where i live, i'd be there all the time myself. all i have is the local tavern, and a few so-called players that play a ring game. rumor has it that the guy that went on a shooting spree and killed 5 people last winter was at the tavern playing pool the night before. you wont catch me in that place.

Willie,
about the stance that Mark wanted me to use. we can hopefully discuss it some next week in Peoria, but you might have a point in that all he was really trying to get me to do was threefold:
1) get my arm away from the body somewhat so i could stroke freely
2) hit the cue ball where i want/aim CONSISTENTLY
3) REPEAT the same stroke over and over.

however, he kept putting me into the same stance over and over the day i was with him. it didnt feel comfortable then, doesnt feel comfortable now, and i am certain it never would for me. thats why i have adapted, as i have stated earlier, the Snooker stance and tried to incorporate the above mentioned three principles into this stance.

glad you enjoyed your time over there Mr. Betmore. hope we can find a few moments in Peoria to chat, when are you going to be arriving over there? and are you on call again to work the shot clock if need be?

R,
DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
. we can hopefully discuss it some next week in Peoria, but you might have a point in that all he was really trying to get me to do was threefold:
1) get my arm away from the body somewhat so i could stroke freely
2) hit the cue ball where i want/aim CONSISTENTLY
3) REPEAT the same stroke over and over.

it didnt feel comfortable then, doesnt feel comfortable now, and i am certain it never would for me. thats why i have adapted, as i have stated earlier, the Snooker stance and tried to incorporate the above mentioned three principles into this stance.

glad you enjoyed your time over there Mr. Betmore. hope we can find a few moments in Peoria to chat, when are you going to be arriving over there? and are you on call again to work the shot clock if need be?

R,
DCP

DCP,
Arriving in Peoria Thursday A.M, staying til its over Sunday night. Definitely working the shot clock again. Definitely will chat.

The very first day (yesterday) back from 3 days (12 or 13 hours a day) of lessons, I STILL am not sure if my stance is correct - I think I may have already adjusted it differently than he was showing me. I'm afraid its going to take MANY lessons for me to perfect the stance. If I could go to Mark's every day, I think we could work it out in a few weeks.
 
Mark The Player

Mostly off the topic, but not entirely . . . .

I saw Mark make one of the most incredible shots I had seen, to that point in my life, in the early 80's when I lived in Wisconsin. I believe it was in the inaugural McDermott Masters tournament and he was playing someone who was supposed to beat him (Jimmy Reid, maybe :confused: ). Mark was just a young pup at that point, but a hotshot in Wisconsin.

It was a table-length jump shot (done with his playing cue, before the advent of the jump cue) on the two ball, pretty straight, that he had to draw the length of the table for shape on the three. I don't remember the exact table layout, but a safe would have been tough and options to get on the three were "slim" and "none". He chose "slim" and pulled it off perfectly; and got out. I'm sure he is not the only person to ever make the shot. But, some other knowledgeable railbirds were sitting with me and we all agreed that, under the circumstances and with that table layout, it was one incredible shot.

I thought, "Wow! That was great. But, maybe lucky." Then I see him make a similar one at another tournament a few months later and realized, "Hmmm. I think this guy can make that shot." :p

He was a good person then; easy to approach and helpful to those who asked. It is great to see him succeed with this endeavor.

Geez. I just realized that I hope this is the same Mark Wilson that used to live in Wisconsin (picture looks the same), or I really look like a dipstick!! :rolleyes:
 
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ScottR said:
Geez. I just realized that I hope this is the same Mark Wilson that used to live in Wisconsin (picture looks the same), or I really look like a dipstick!! :rolleyes:

Scott,
Yes, he is the same Mark Wilson, and you are not a dipstick. Mark told some great stories about the Chicago/Wisconsin pool scene in those days. There will be another thread this evening regarding one of the prominent players that he mentioned. Stay tuned.
 
he's starting them off at an early age,,,and with teaching knowledge. what an earthshaking concept!!!! quite different from the "you want to learn? play me for $20 a set and watch as i steal your cash" ideology so prevalent in pool.

hats of, and you know what,,,,,,,,,,since all pool rooms insist on independence,,,maybe they can all help by INDEPENDENTLY pushing knowledge and etiquette. maybe that's the only way things will get done. however, knowing players' penchant for "i want my candy now",,,,we'll have to see.
 
bruin70 said:
he's starting them off at an early age,,,and with teaching knowledge. what an earthshaking concept!!!! quite different from the "you want to learn? play me for $20 a set and watch as i steal your cash" ideology so prevalent in pool.

hats of, and you know what,,,,,,,,,,since all pool rooms insist on independence,,,maybe they can all help by INDEPENDENTLY pushing knowledge and etiquette. maybe that's the only way things will get done. however, knowing players' penchant for "i want my candy now",,,,we'll have to see.

Sounds like you have talked to Mark. This is the exact conversation I had with him about 2 weeks ago. The sport of pool has a bad habit of eating its young. Mark is a different breed.
 
watchez said:
The sport of pool has a bad habit of eating its young. .

Watchez,
LMAO - I've never heard it phrased that way, but you couldn't be more accurate. Pool either eats or ignores its young; transforming them into something less than gentlemen or sportsmen.

If you noticed some of the better kids at Marks, then you noticed that, in his establishment, the young may occasionally EAT YOU (there are some seriously skillful adolescents playing there).
 
Mark Wilson... I commend you...

I would like to take a moment to say that we all finally have a new person who is in the booth on pro events and does perfect commentary. I recently had the pleasure to listen to his commentary on a WPBA event on the television. How refreshing to have someone who has true knowledge and experience on this game. All of his commentary was exactly right on and a real pleasure to listen to. I know that some of the past commentators have been horrable and I hope he will do more commentary in the future...He really tells it like it is and in a very diplomatic way with just the right flow.

He also did the part of the commentary for the Efren/Earl "color of money" and at that time he did a very good job as well...

Keep it coming champ..


Mr. J.
 
Willie I couldnt agree more with what you said. Marks place is a great place to play/learn pool. Didnt realise all you guys were getting together or I may have had to make a trip over :D (Course if it took you five hours to get there you need to press a little harder on the gas LOL)

I was in Wisconson a few weeks ago for my BCA instructors recognition and Jerry and I talked about Mark and what he is doing for the game. Marks love of the game is something he has carried for a long time. Jerry was telling me how Mark had gone to him for a lesson, then came back the next week, then the next week, and finally moved to Madison.

I also agree that Mark does great commentary, a real pleasure to listen to during the matches.

As was said before, if more people treated new players the way Mark does the game couldnt do anything but become more popular.

Woody
 
woody_968 said:
Willie I couldnt agree more with what you said. Marks place is a great place to play/learn pool. Didnt realise all you guys were getting together or I may have had to make a trip over :D (Course if it took you five hours to get there you need to press a little harder on the gas LOL)

I was in Wisconson a few weeks ago for my BCA instructors recognition and Jerry and I talked about Mark and what he is doing for the game. Marks love of the game is something he has carried for a long time. Jerry was telling me how Mark had gone to him for a lesson, then came back the next week, then the next week, and finally moved to Madison.

I also agree that Mark does great commentary, a real pleasure to listen to during the matches.

As was said before, if more people treated new players the way Mark does the game couldnt do anything but become more popular.

Woody

Woodman,
Don't worry about my foot, no one thinks I need to press harder (I prefer to fly low to the ground) - I just didn't go there directly (had a side trip).

Make sure to invite yourself over some weekend when it is convenient for you and I can tell you some of Mark's stories (if you haven't heard them already). Are you now an official instructor?? If so, then congratulations. Of course you are now going to have to spot me the last 4, or 75 points to 150 if its straight pool (our friend spots me 80 to 150).
 
Williebetmore said:
Woodman,
Don't worry about my foot, no one thinks I need to press harder (I prefer to fly low to the ground) - I just didn't go there directly (had a side trip).

Make sure to invite yourself over some weekend when it is convenient for you and I can tell you some of Mark's stories (if you haven't heard them already). Are you now an official instructor?? If so, then congratulations. Of course you are now going to have to spot me the last 4, or 75 points to 150 if its straight pool (our friend spots me 80 to 150).

I figured you must have had some reason for taking so long to get there :D

I am going to try and make it to Peoria so I hope to get to talk to you while Im there.

As far as being an offical instructor, I am simply waiting for my info to come from the BCA. I spoke with Jerry last night and he was going to call them today to see why they havent sent it to me yet. As far as spotting you the outlandish weight you are requesting Ill make you a deal. Ill give you the spot but you have to shoot how I tell you to :D
 
Cool!

I would love to see more posts like this...Willbetmore, GREAT post...I'm not 'Old', (40), but I'm 'Old School'...I grew up in real Pool Rooms, and remember fondly, getting pointers from and watching the 'Old Timers', my Dad would drop me off, (no worrys), pick me up 6-8 hours later, no sweat! I learned 14:1 and played the obligatory 8-Ball, always on 9ftr's, The House Pro was Loree John Jones, (it was her Dad's Place, named after her, 'Loree Johns Billiards'), Rte 22 Boundbrook, NJ. Anyway, awesome, seems there's a lot of action and great rooms in the Midwest part of the country, maybe I'll make it out there on a road trip one day.
 
Tap, Tap, Tap

Mark's Place is as unique as it is clean. Mark & his wife (Cathy) are very gracious host that make all feel welcome. You don't feel that your in a Business but in their home. I played over at Mark's for 2 hours a while ago and was very surprised that I didn't even need to wash my hands afterwards.
The best part about Mark is - I honestly think he could HELP ANYONES GAME. Just watching him play helps me.

TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
You don't feel that your in a Business but in their home. TY & GL

OHB,
You are absolutely correct, I neglected to emphasize this point. To extend the analogy, Mark spends about 13 hours a day at the "business", 7 days a week - basically you ARE at his home.

I also neglected to mention the decor. He has an incredible Cardinals baseball theme, but also many pool artifacts. A letter to him from Willie Mosconi (wow), lots of signed professional pictures. Also has a picture of Gene Nagy sitting against a pool table. He has placed a handwritten bubble coming out of Gene's mouth that says something to the effect, " I am a 400 ball runner, and I shouldn't be sitting on this table." (Mark allows no one to even lean on a table unless shooting).
 
The day I spent with Mark Wilson was a day I will never forget. He's a great player, teacher and gentelman. How I wish I lived closer to him and/or Sailor. Each is a 4 hour drive but well worth the time and effort.
 
JimS said:
The day I spent with Mark Wilson was a day I will never forget. He's a great player, teacher and gentelman. How I wish I lived closer to him and/or Sailor. Each is a 4 hour drive but well worth the time and effort.

Jim,
I agree (at least as far as Mark is concerned). If they could figure out a way to franchise this sort of place, pool would explode. Have you ever met with Jerry Briesath? I think most students feel the same about him.
 
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