Pool's Greatest Sin:**Quiting Winner**

Walt Frazier

Walt Frazier

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If you've ever gambled,you've done it..At one time or another,we all have..If a player tells you"I have never quit a guy winner" Than guess what? He is lying thru his teeth!:p :) :D :p

I believe that every gambling situation has it's own experience and you can justifiably find enough reason to quit a guy winner(depending on the situation) more times than not.

Their are many factors that come into play when you're in the box .Let me give you a few scenarios:1) You've been absolutely tortureing this guy for hours and hours.You're way ahead of him.He's been stuck all-night to you but he's still hanging in there;still trying..Now gradually,you feel your body get tired.Your position play is getting worse and worse.You miss a routine shot.You've spent almost all of your energy building up a huge lead and now you're dead tired;A 15 minute break won't do(you're exhausted)..What do you do ? Suggest that you two continue some other time ? What if he says no ? At that point I will unscrew my stick and grab my money from off of the light and say "see ya later" on my way out.:cool: :cool:

Scenario:2) You're in the box again grinding but 2night you're off..I mean,way off! You cannot settle into your gear(for whatever reason) and the guy you're playing is growing with confidence with every rack..He is running out from everywhere and making it look soooooooooooooo easy.To a railbird, it would appear that you're in a bad game; but you know that the reality is that 2night is just not your night..You could beat this guy if you just came out of your coma..Then suddenly! as if the pool gods were listening to your thoughts.You start to get a few rolls..Then more rolls!! You make the nine on the snap..He scratches on the break and leaves the nine hanging in the jaws..You make a wired combo on the nine etc. and although you're really not playing any better, you're magically ahead of this guy now! What do you do.? Continue to play and risk the inevitable(momentum and luck swings back his way..not to mention your dough)..Or,do what I do..QUIT!(of course I would come up with a clever excuse to get the hell out of dodge)..Call me a nit all you want to- but I am definetly not mad at my wallet!.I know I just made out like a bandit and I will show him more gamble some other time.

The best thing to do is to always post up.and set a playing time.If it's 5 hours or 25 hours you need to do your best to honor that .At least that way if you bust a guy he can't say that you quit him winner ..He had his chance and you showed him enough gamble.

What are your thoughts AZ ?
 
Walt Frazier said:
What are your thoughts AZ ?
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My thoughts...

After I win, I reserve the right to leave whenever I damn well please and I could care less what you or anybody else thinks about it. If you can show me a rule that says that I need to stick around until your luck changes, then maybe I will consider it a sin. Until you produce that, I'll continue to consider it sour grapes.
 
this is one of the things I love about pool; none of that card playing bs about staying until the other guy has had enough. I have the right to say I've had it just as much as the opponent. "well, gotta go, wife's having a baby", gotta go to work," "do you think I need to lose some weight." or jus plain ol' thanks, see ya later.
 
Great Minds Think Alike

Blackjack said:
My thoughts...

After I win, I reserve the right to leave whenever I damn well please and I could care less what you or anybody else thinks about it. If you can show me a rule that says that I need to stick around until your luck changes, then maybe I will consider it a sin. Until you produce that, I'll continue to consider it sour grapes.
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My Thoughts exactly! There is no"pool rule " that says "you're supposed to stick around until the other guy's luck changes" .That defeats the whole purpose for gambling to begin with.Anyone that I play has an "X" marked on their back(in my mind) I am after their cash! 100%! No-if-ands-or-buts about it! I'm trying to bust him for everything he's got..but even more importantly,I'm making sure I don't go off in the process!:cool: :cool:
 
There is a guy who plays pool at the room I used to shoot pool at. He is notorious for out-lasting ANYONE he plays. He's told me that he has played for 3-days straight, and I absolutely believe him.

Any how. Me and him have gambled a dozen times, most of the time it would end up being for a pretty high amount. I've come out on top just about every time - and just about every time I quit him winner.
He never seemed to mind, and I'll be damned if I didn't have a good excuse.
He and I would play for 16+ hours each time, and we usually started at like 2 / 3 a.m.

There was ONE time, he quit me -- but I was ahead. I was so proud of myself, I felt like I outlasted a guy who could outlast anyone... and then I found out that he quit me because he had to go into work :(


I don't quit winner much - the few times I do are because;
(a). I played more than 10 hours (small/medium stakes)
(b). I had an appointment to keep, which I inform the player of.
(c). The opponent is somewhat of a friend and I don't want to bust them.
(d). They deserved it.
(e). They were trying to hustle me and I get the line.

That I recall, I have never just quit some average person while I was ahead without giving them somewhat of a chance to get their money back (usually a single race for the full amount).
 
I agree that you can quit whenever you want. However, a player that does that will get a reputation that might make it harder to get a game. I would try not to play a guy that is known to pull up winner. It's a bad bet to play him. It's a bad bet to play you, Walt, but you knew that already, didn't you?;)

I don't usually play for enough money to really count, and I don't quit winner unless I have told the other guy that I have to leave at such and such a time, or that I will only play three sets, or whatever.

On the other hand, I don't feel obligated to adjust. If the other guy decides he can't win and won't keep playing without a spot, I feel totally free to refuse to give him what he wants. I'll keep playing the same way, but I might or might not adjust. The same goes for changing the bet.

Let me repeat that I recognize that each bet is a seperate agreement and does not obligate anyone to make another bet later, regardless of the result of the current one. Free will, and all that.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention that I really have only gambled in places that CLOSE. My personal guidelines would have to be adjusted in a 24 hour poolroom.
 
Walt Frazier said:
My Thoughts exactly! There is no"pool rule " that says "you're supposed to stick around until the other guy's luck changes" .That defeats the whole purpose for gambling to begin with.Anyone that I play has an "X" marked on their back(in my mind) I am after their cash! 100%! No-if-ands-or-buts about it! I'm trying to bust him for everything he's got..but even more importantly,I'm making sure I don't go off in the process!:cool: :cool:
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Is it just me or does this post completely contradict what you wrote in your original post?. :confused:
 
Walt Frazier said:
......The best thing to do is to always post up.and set a playing time.If it's 5 hours or 25 hours you need to do your best to honor that .At least that way if you bust a guy he can't say that you quit him winner ..He had his chance and you showed him enough gamble.

What are your thoughts AZ ?
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That's all there is to it, what's all the other waffle about Walt?:)
 
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My thought on this is that IF you start playing someone then, in the absence of any other conditions you are pretty much obligated to stay until someone is beaten.

I have quit winner, I been quit on, I have stayed until I couldn't stand up and ended up even or worse, loser.

If I start out with someone with no mention of a time limit then I expect them to stay and play. - otherwise it's a nitty move -

Now, if I have a guy dead beat and there is no way for him to win then I will often show some mercy and offer to let him buy out for a lesser sum if he'll quit. Or I will negotiate a time limit and give him a shot at winning his money back.

I don't think quitting winner after a LONG session is bad if you can agree to play more. I have left $2000 with the room owner before to hold for the next session.

I think quitting winner after a few sets is wrong. Especially if a guy starts coming back and you quit to avoid losing. If you are that kind of hit and run artist then you get no action from me. If ALL I could win was one set's worth and you let me know it with that kind of move then whatever you beat me out of is all you'll ever get. Whenever I get into action I have at least two sets in me.

Having said that though - I have on occassion quit a person when they got back to even and told them we could match up another night. This has been due to either physical discomfort or pressing outside obligations.

For those that say there are no rules in gambling - you're right. And if you don't follow those "non-existent" rules then it's a good way to find yourself without action or hurt.
 
that's what I meant

John Barton said:
My thought on this is that IF you start playing someone then, in the absence of any other conditions you are pretty much obligated to stay until someone is beaten.

I have quit winner, I been quit on, I have stayed until I couldn't stand up and ended up even or worse, loser.

If I start out with someone with no mention of a time limit then I expect them to stay and play. - otherwise it's a nitty move -

Now, if I have a guy dead beat and there is no way for him to win then I will often show some mercy and offer to let him buy out for a lesser sum if he'll quit. Or I will negotiate a time limit and give him a shot at winning his money back.

I don't think quitting winner after a LONG session is bad if you can agree to play more. I have left $2000 with the room owner before to hold for the next session.

I think quitting winner after a few sets is wrong. Especially if a guy starts coming back and you quit to avoid losing. If you are that kind of hit and run artist then you get no action from me. If ALL I could win was one set's worth and you let me know it with that kind of move then whatever you beat me out of is all you'll ever get. Whenever I get into action I have at least two sets in me.

Having said that though - I have on occassion quit a person when they got back to even and told them we could match up another night. This has been due to either physical discomfort or pressing outside obligations.

For those that say there are no rules in gambling - you're right. And if you don't follow those "non-existent" rules then it's a good way to find yourself without action or hurt.
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tap, tap

you said it much better than I could.
 
UhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhNooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Klopek said:
Is it just me or does this post completely contradict what you wrote in your original post?. :confused:
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Read my post very carefully grasshopper..And then you shall see the light.Now for your next task.You must try to snatch this pebble out of my hand:p :) :D
 
John Barton said:
My thought on this is that IF you start playing someone then, in the absence of any other conditions you are pretty much obligated to stay until someone is beaten.

I have quit winner, I been quit on, I have stayed until I couldn't stand up and ended up even or worse, loser.

If I start out with someone with no mention of a time limit then I expect them to stay and play. - otherwise it's a nitty move -

Now, if I have a guy dead beat and there is no way for him to win then I will often show some mercy and offer to let him buy out for a lesser sum if he'll quit. Or I will negotiate a time limit and give him a shot at winning his money back.

I don't think quitting winner after a LONG session is bad if you can agree to play more. I have left $2000 with the room owner before to hold for the next session.

I think quitting winner after a few sets is wrong. Especially if a guy starts coming back and you quit to avoid losing. If you are that kind of hit and run artist then you get no action from me. If ALL I could win was one set's worth and you let me know it with that kind of move then whatever you beat me out of is all you'll ever get. Whenever I get into action I have at least two sets in me.



For those that say there are no rules in gambling - you're right. And if you don't follow those "non-existent" rules then it's a good way to find yourself without action or hurt.
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I have to agree with John, absent some pre-match agreement (which is the best solution), and I hesitate to use the n-word, but it is kinda nitty

Kinda surprised you admitted this Walt
 
I'm still waiting on my waffles

memikey said:
.....and there it is again, what's to discuss Walt?:)
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what's to discuss ? I have no idea..That retort could be used on every thread on AZ man."what's to discuss" I have'nt a clue memikey.Why don't you start a thread and I'll jump on it with a "what's to discuss" smart a$$ remark.. You tell me guy.LOL

Btw,I'm starving over here.where are my damn waffles!?!:) :) :)
 
Blackjack said:
My thoughts...

After I win, I reserve the right to leave whenever I damn well please and I could care less what you or anybody else thinks about it. If you can show me a rule that says that I need to stick around until your luck changes, then maybe I will consider it a sin. Until you produce that, I'll continue to consider it sour grapes.
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Try that attitude out in a serious room and you'll find that most serious players won't play you until you freeze up multiple sets and post ALL the money. And most nits who have a "quit winner" reputation wouldn't freeze up money if Helen Keller was giving up the rainbow and playing with her foot.
 
I'll try Helen Keller some

John Barton said:
Try that attitude out in a serious room and you'll find that most serious players won't play you until you freeze up multiple sets and post ALL the money. And most nits who have a "quit winner" reputation wouldn't freeze up money if Helen Keller was giving up the rainbow and playing with her foot.
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I'll take the 7 from her!! LOL:D :D
 
Quitting when you're ahead? I vaguely remember having to worry about that, but it was a long time ago!:(
 
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