Poll: Do you use BHE, FHE, parallel english or all 3?

Do you use BHE, FHE parallel english or a combination of these?

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KoolKat9Lives said:
Poll: Do you use BHE, FHE, parallel english or all 3? Why?


BTW, if you hadn't watched (the following) Joe Tucker videos where he offers a very strong argument and demonstrates each method, do yourself a favor and watch these freebies (and feel free to comment on his "position"!):

http://billiards.colostate.edu/normal_videos/new/NVB-24.htm
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Honestly i use my instink an my many years of Experience i just get down on my shot an automaticly useing English i need its a bad habbit i need to break an i need to start useing Parallel English
 
robleyf7 said:
Honestly i use my instink an my many years of Experience i just get down on my shot an automaticly useing English i need its a bad habbit i need to break an i need to start useing Parallel English
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Forget the spellchecker man! Helps convey the dialect!!!
 
Patrick Johnson said:
There's no such thing as "parallel english". Parallel to what?

pj
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Comeon Patrick, play nice. ;) You know the term may be a misnomer but it is used to describe applying english with the cue line being straight to the shot, not angled off as in the case of BHE or FHE.
 
If people want more information and demonstrations of the various methods, I have lots of pertinent article and video links here:


Regards,
Dave

KoolKat9Lives said:
Poll: Do you use BHE, FHE, parallel english or all 3? Why?


BTW, if you hadn't watched (the following) Joe Tucker videos where he offers a very strong argument and demonstrates each method, do yourself a favor and watch these freebies (and feel free to comment on his "position"!):

http://billiards.colostate.edu/normal_videos/new/NVB-24.htm
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KoolKat9Lives said:
Dave, you really have some great stuff on your site. Having other people's info there is also a string move IMO. I am thankful!
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Thank you ... and you're welcome.

KoolKat9Lives said:
Hey, can you, or anyone, post what method prominent pros use to apply english?
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I think most top players get down in their stance with the cue already close to the necessary aiming line, already accounting for squirt, swerve, and throw. Or they make subtle adjustments while down in the stance. Regardless, I think most top players make the adjustments solely by "feel" or "intuition."

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Thank you ... and you're welcome.

I think most top players get down in their stance with the cue already close to the necessary aiming line, already accounting for squirt, swerve, and throw. Or they make subtle adjustments while down in the stance. Regardless, I think most top players make the adjustments solely by "feel" or "intuition."

Regards,
Dave
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i do too most of the time
 
I aim using parallel english. I found out back hand english can really mess up my shot.
 
I think that by trying to use BHE or FHE the CB behaves more like I expect and with a better kind of action. This is probably because of the sighting aspect with respect to CTP.

I've just started paying attention to my aiming technics and BHE and I am astonished at the paths it has opened up. :grin:
 
If "parallel english" means
1. you aim for the correct location of the ghost ball and then
2. you move the tip and the butt of the cue the same distance to the left (or right), then...
One can easily show that the tip friction and squirt will never combine correctly so that the CB will take the original intended path to the OB.

If "parallel english" means
1. you aim for the correct location of the ghost ball and then
2. move and pivot the cue (so its axis still points to the center of the ghost ball), then...
One can easily show through geometry that the error is even worse than the method described above.

(Yes, yes, I know about swerve, but there is no way to quantify swerve in this discussion.)

Many people think they are using PE, but maybe they are making unconscious adjustments.
Many people do make shots with PE (pockets do have some room for error).
Fundementally, the geometry of PE is flawed.

"BHE-alone" works IF the pivot point of the cue and of the shot exactly match the bridge length you are using. (Not always the case, of course.)

"FHE-alone" does not (geometrically) work either, since a cue's pivot point rarely equals the distance between the tip and the gripping hand.
 
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There's no such thing as "parallel english". Parallel to what?

pj
chgo
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Comeon Patrick, play nice. You know the term may be a misnomer but it is used to describe applying english with the cue line being straight to the shot, not angled off as in the case of BHE or FHE.
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If the cue isn't "angled off" you're not compensating for squirt and you'll miss the shot. This kind of misinformation is why misleading terms like "parallel english" shouldn't be used.

pj
chgo
 
Shaft said:
If "parallel english" means
1. you aim for the correct location of the ghost ball and then
2. you move the tip and the butt of the cue the same distance to the left (or right), then...
One can easily show that the tip friction and squirt will never combine correctly so that the CB will take the original intended path to the OB.
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Sometimes swerve will exactly compensate for squirt. When that happens "parallel english" can work, but it's accidental and rare.

If "parallel english" means
1. you aim for the correct location of the ghost ball and then
2. move and pivot the cue (so its axis still points to the center of the ghost ball), then...
One can easily show through geometry that the error is even worse than the method described above.
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Well, yeah. You described compensating for squirt by angling the cue in the opposite direction from what's needed. I can't imagine why "parallel" would mean that.

(Yes, yes, I know about swerve, but there is no way to quantify swerve in this discussion.)
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Swerve doesn't have to be quantified in this discussion; its effect just has to be understood.

"BHE-alone" works IF the pivot point of the cue and of the shot exactly match the bridge length you are using.
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Probably not even then, since swerve is always a factor.

"FHE-alone" does not (geometrically) work either, since a cue's pivot point rarely equals the distance between the tip and the gripping hand.
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I'd say never. And there's still swerve to contend with.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
If the cue isn't "angled off" you're not compensating for squirt and you'll miss the shot. This kind of misinformation is why misleading terms like "parallel english" shouldn't be used.

pj
chgo
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From what I understand, angling off is either FHE or BHE. Parallel, whether you like the term or not Patrick, is the term I have found to be commonly used to describe applying english without any "angling off". I can't make any logical sense from this quoted post of yours (other than you despise the term parallel english). It seems contradictory and insensitive to the overall well-being of starving children in Africa. :p ;)
 
Me:
If the cue isn't "angled off" you're not compensating for squirt and you'll miss the shot.
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KoolKat9Lives:
Parallel, whether you like the term or not Patrick, is the term I have found to be commonly used to describe applying english without any "angling off".
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Then it's a term for a technique that doesn't work. Not particularly useful, if you ask me.

I can't make any logical sense from this quoted post of yours (other than you despise the term parallel english).
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If you don't know that the cue must be "angled off" in order to make shots with sidespin, then I'm not surprised that my statement makes no sense to you. But I'm very surprised that any pool player above rank beginner, especially one who hangs around pool forums, doesn't know that.

It seems contradictory and insensitive to the overall well-being of starving children in Africa.
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That's cute, but you really should stop using terms that mislead people who don't know much about squirt (such as, apparently, yourself).

pj
chgo
 
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