Lift the ban bca!!!!!!

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For those that dont know the BCA has banned phenolic tips, does this also mean white diamond tips, G-10, tiger x-breaker and others? It is unclear at this moment.

There is another thread talking about this topic but I feel it is necessary to make the wheel squeek a little louder so that it may get some immediate attention.

DONT BE SILENT AZB!!!!!

I beg every self respecting jumper kicker and masse player to say a few words here to try to get the word to the BCA officials that this is rediculous. I cant believe they are goingt o take away so many options from the players. Now im gunna have to have several shafts for different competittions. To suit this new rule that I hope doesnt catch on. If we allowed this type of thing everytime some one wants to argue bringing back the old heritage of the game we would still all be playing on hand carved wooden slates.

BCA I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR RULLING AND WILL NOT PUT AWAY MY PHENOLICS!!! NOW I WILL JUST HAVE TO FIND AWAY TO MAKE A FENOLIC FOR USE IN YOUR EVENTS!!!
 
rbpwrd240 said:
For those that dont know the BCA has banned phenolic tips, does this also mean white diamond tips, G-10, tiger x-breaker and others? It is unclear at this moment.

There is another thread talking about this topic but I feel it is necessary to make the wheel squeek a little louder so that it may get some immediate attention.

DONT BE SILENT AZB!!!!!

I beg every self respecting jumper kicker and masse player to say a few words here to try to get the word to the BCA officials that this is rediculous. I cant believe they are goingt o take away so many options from the players. Now im gunna have to have several shafts for different competittions. To suit this new rule that I hope doesnt catch on. If we allowed this type of thing everytime some one wants to argue bringing back the old heritage of the game we would still all be playing on hand carved wooden slates.

BCA I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR RULLING AND WILL NOT PUT AWAY MY PHENOLICS!!! NOW I WILL JUST HAVE TO FIND AWAY TO MAKE A FENOLIC FOR USE IN YOUR EVENTS!!!
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I use a WD tip and my jumper has a Phenolic tip on it. I am not upset that they are banning those tips. There are VERY hard leather tips out there that can do the job as well. What is the worst that comes of it? You have to put in more work to perfect your jump shot? I am certainly willing to do that.

I am not sure I understand what "so many options" you are talking about. The tip ban only effects two shots, the jump and the break, and it doesn't even effect those two shots that much. imo.

BVal
 
rbpwrd240 said:
I beg every self respecting jumper kicker and masse player to say a few words here to try to get the word to the BCA officials that this is rediculous. I cant believe they are goingt o take away so many options from the players.
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I don't mean to be picky :o... but, how does the banning of phenolic tips affect kick shots? I consider myself to be more of a kicker than a jumper, so I'm just curious.

I agree with bval...
 
No point in fighting the system. I agree with it if they are suffering huge losses due to equipment damage, just because you know how to use your cues properly doesnt mean others do as well. How many tables have you seen the felt ruined in what feels like minutes because people scrape the cloth when they break or shoot through the slate when they jump.

If it's because of any competitive advantage though. It's bogus. Use what you need is the way I look at it. I know guys that play with Superpro tips and guess what, they do everything with one cue. Anyways I bet it is repair cost related.
 
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mikeyfrost said:
No point in fighting the system. I agree with it if they are suffering huge losses due to equipment damage, just because you know how to use your cues properly doesnt mean others do as well. How many tables have you seen the felt ruined in what feels like minutes because people scrape the cloth when they break or shoot through the slate when they jump.

If it's because of any competitive advantage though. It's bogus. Use what you need is the way I look at it. I know guys that play with Superpro tips and guess what, they do everything with one cue. Anyways I bet it is repair cost related.
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I use a Superpro on my player and there are a lot of nights when I don't even get my break cue out of my case. I have also used my player to jump balls.

BVal
 
Sorry, but I'm not jumping on your bandwagon.
The Billiard Congress of America can set the rules as they see fit.
That's part of their purpose. I totally support their decision.
Both phenolic and G-10 have the potential to damage the CB.
Costs of new CBs aren't included in the greens fees.
You're certainly welcome to destroy your own equipment at home on your table.
Let me ask you, what did you do before phenolic?
I'm also curious about what you mean by "if we allow".
Are you thinking of boycotting?
Look, it's still a level playing field. You can't use it & nor can your opponent. A true player will adapt.
 
I generally carry a break cue with a phenolic that doubles as a full table jumper, I dont think a leather tip will give me the same ball hoping action off the rack. I usually skip the ball and try to get it to plant back in the center(see ish) of the table. Yes this can be dangerous especially if you happend to be around my table during the first round at the May Fast Eddies tour. LOL:sorry:

I usually use a Danny Spates jumper for medoum shots and for varrying landing styles and tougher shots. I can jump draw very easily with it, most any jump will be pocketed and give shape. Now I say that becouse a jump that is too tough normally becomes a kick.:wink:

I just got a chilton flying eagle for dart style jumping. I can clear a ball that is within a chalk width from the impeding object ball. I have spent many hours learning how to shoot with phenolic resins. Most anyone that plays with me would tell you I have an extremly high success rate at any level. Now im not a great player and thats why I have these techniques. Now im going to have to go back and switch some of my tips and relearn the stroke and then adjust to there hit and english. Im just saying I have addapted my game to take full advantage of my options I dont like this new rule just my opinion. :angry:

For those that might say its an unfair advantage I would have to say that they need to learn to safe better. You cant jump over a ball your frozen to.:thumbup:
 
rbpwrd240 said:
I generally carry a break cue with a phenolic that doubles as a full table jumper, I dont think a leather tip will give me the same ball hoping action off the rack. I usually skip the ball and try to get it to plant back in the center(see ish) of the table. Yes this can be dangerous especially if you happend to be around my table during the first round at the May Fast Eddies tour. LOL:sorry:

I usually use a Danny Spates jumper for medoum shots and for varrying landing styles and tougher shots. I can jump draw very easily with it, most any jump will be pocketed and give shape. Now I say that becouse a jump that is too tough normally becomes a kick.:wink:

I just got a chilton flying eagle for dart style jumping. I can clear a ball that is within a chalk width from the impeding object ball. I have spent many hours learning how to shoot with phenolic resins. Most anyone that plays with me would tell you I have an extremly high success rate at any level. Now im not a great player and thats why I have these techniques. Now im going to have to go back and switch some of my tips and relearn the stroke and then adjust to there hit and english. Im just saying I have addapted my game to take full advantage of my options I dont like this new rule just my opinion. :angry:

For those that might say its an unfair advantage I would have to say that they need to learn to safe better. You cant jump over a ball your frozen to.:thumbup:
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All of those things you said you can do can be done with a leather tip. You just need a better stroke. It is not an unfair advantage with what you have now because everyone has/had the same options - which is still the case. The playing field is level as far as equimpent goes. A players stroke, technique and smarts is what makes the difference. imo
 
Minor point... it is the BCAPL not the BCA. The BCA is a trade show organization and they don't make rules anymore.

As to your opinion about the BCAL banning phenolic tips, well it is just for BREAK cues. Nothing else.

If you had to pay for all of the damaged cue balls from the BCAL events, you might agree with the BCAL.

All the other events in the pool world are not obligated to abide by the BCAL rules, but the rules are some of the best ever written and are always up for review each year.
 
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Tom In Cincy said:
Minor point... it is the BCAL not the BCA. The BCA is a trade show organization and they don't make rules anymore.

As to your opinion about the BCAL banning phenolic tips, well it is just for BREAK cues. Nothing else.

If you had to pay for all of the damaged cue balls from the BCAL events, you might agree with the BCAL.

All the other events in the pool world are not obligated to abide by the BCAL rules, but the rules are some of the best ever written and are always up for review each year.
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Minor minor point. Isn't it the BCAPL? I agree with everything you said by the way.

BVal
 
rbpwrd240 said:
For those that dont know the BCA has banned phenolic tips, does this also mean white diamond tips, G-10, tiger x-breaker and others? It is unclear at this moment.

There is another thread talking about this topic but I feel it is necessary to make the wheel squeek a little louder so that it may get some immediate attention.

DONT BE SILENT AZB!!!!!

I beg every self respecting jumper kicker and masse player to say a few words here to try to get the word to the BCA officials that this is rediculous. I cant believe they are goingt o take away so many options from the players. Now im gunna have to have several shafts for different competittions. To suit this new rule that I hope doesnt catch on. If we allowed this type of thing everytime some one wants to argue bringing back the old heritage of the game we would still all be playing on hand carved wooden slates.

BCA I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR RULLING AND WILL NOT PUT AWAY MY PHENOLICS!!! NOW I WILL JUST HAVE TO FIND AWAY TO MAKE A FENOLIC FOR USE IN YOUR EVENTS!!!
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We are the BCA Pool League, not the BCA (Billiard Congress of America). You are certainly entitled to your opinion. We (BCAPL) are not going to change our minds. The new rule book has been printed and goes into effect June 1. If you are caught using it during our events the penalties will be severe. Our referees will be looking for phenolic tips. Will it be worth it to lose a match because you don't like the rules?

Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
 
I was pissed at this at first but now im like eh who cares.

btw bill s. does this include having a phenolic ferrule with a leather tip on top of it.

thanks.
 
Just as an aside, on the International Pool Tour (IPT) -- I know, I know, it's gone now -- you could only use cues with leather tips.

In Vegas, a competitor forgot about this rule and was not allowed to play his match. He was disqualified. That is why I remember it.
 
this rule is crap. Ban the g10's thats fine, but why ALL phenolic tips? and I dont believe that load of BS about them hurting the balls either. I practice jumping and breaking for hours on end at home and my cue ball still looks like new. and im using phenolic and G10.
 
Whatt kind of tip is on the Predator BK cue?

Anybody make a break stick that comes with leather nowdays?
 
izquik72 said:
Whatt kind of tip is on the Predator BK cue?

Anybody make a break stick that comes with leather nowdays?
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The original BK had leather, the BK2 has phenolic. I don't think there is a single break or break/jump cue out there that doesn't come standard with a phenolic tip these days.
 
I guess that is a valid question. Is there a minimum amount of leather or non phenolic tip required?

I actually had one of the XBreaker shafts with the IPT tip. If I recall it had a resin impregnated leather tip on it versus the G10 type tip.

Personally I moved back to using a WB tip on my J/B cue. More for CB control. Heck I also break and play with my Sugertree that has a SuperPro tip.

Fortunately I've gotten used to my Stealth AT1 jump cue and that has a leather tip on it.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
As to your opinion about the BCAL banning phenolic tips, well it is just for BREAK cues. Nothing else.
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So do I understand this correctly that if you have a separate jump cue, any tip will be OK on the jump cue? Also is the Predator BK2 tip OK? (not sure what it's made of).

Thanks,

Dave
 
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