Why I never bought one....

PistolPat

PistolPat

Flip Strokin' since 91
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A cuemaker as well as billiard supply dealer showed me why he prefers not to use Predator or Tiger shafts. As you can see from the following I will always stick with OB-1 or OB-2 shafts.

Tiger X Shaft Core.JPG
Tiger X Shaft.JPG
Tiger shaft

Predator 314 Shaft Core.JPG
Predator 314 Shaft.JPG
Predator shaft 314

The cue maker took a one shaft of each and cut them in half to see how accurate the shafts are made and to his surprise and mine, THIS is what we discovered about these highly requested shafts. I hope this isnt true for all of them. But geez look at how aweful that is.
 
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Hmmm, the laminating must be done ending up with a block form, then things get off center during the final lathe process?

(edit) Why no pic of an OB shaft cut in half? It may reveal something as well?
 
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Predator Response

I wonder if we will see a response from Predator Cues or Tiger Products.

I'm getting my second Predator 314-2 shaft finished up right now and I'm shakin'. :shocked2:

JoeyA
 
I have been in the Tiger factory many times and have personally seen their shafts during the construction process. I have never seen one that has been machined off center like that.

That's not to say that it can never happen, but I have never seen it.

Corey needs to chime in here!!!

Hello...COREY???
 
Did he also cut apart an OB shaft to show it didn't suffer from the same sort of thing? Might be harder to tell with the OB design I suppose, but still makes me curious.
 
Great photos and very interesting to say the least. I now wonder what a McDermott I shaft would look like if you did the same??
Dan
 
Can you take an overall picture so we can see where the logo and ferrule is? The hole in the 2nd picture looks like it's in the wrong place (too far down the shaft, can tell by the thickness), there is a hole in the top of the shaft which is very small and one at the bottom where the insert goes but that hole looks like neither.

Thank you.
 
slide13 said:
Did he also cut apart an OB shaft to show it didn't suffer from the same sort of thing? Might be harder to tell with the OB design I suppose, but still makes me curious.
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Good point!!!
 
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Fuji-whopper said:
Can you take an overall picture so we can see where the logo and ferrule is? The hole in the 2nd picture looks like it's in the wrong place (too far down the shaft, can tell by the thickness), there is a hole in the top of the shaft which is very small and one at the bottom where the insert goes but that hole looks like neither.

Thank you.
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The Tiger shaft was cut around 7-8 inches from the joint collar, while the predator was cut 5-6 inches from the tip.
 
Suspicious

Let me tell you that your first pics is very suspicious.
That can very well be a blank not turned down right, that makes the company look bad and actually that could be very well be the cuemakers fault, let's not blame it all on the ld shaft manufacturers.

PistolPat said:
A cuemaker as well as billiard supply dealer showed me why he prefers not to use Predator or Tiger shafts. As you can see from the following I will always stick with OB-1 or OB-2 shafts.

The cue maker took a one shaft of each and cut them in half to see how accurate the shafts are made and to his surprise and mine, THIS is what we discovered about these highly requested shafts. I hope this isnt true for all of them. But geez look at how aweful that is.
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Well now, another thing I can add to my bag of "excuses" when missing a BIH. "Must be that da*n Predator 314 shaft of mine. Did you see that thread on AZ?" :shocked:
 
I don't really care for my OB1 shaft.
It flexes too much.

When shooting a high ball shot with a power stroke, it flexes about twice as much as my standard shaft.
 
PistolPat said:
A cuemaker as well as billiard supply dealer showed me why he prefers not to use Predator or Tiger shafts. As you can see from the following I will always stick with OB-1 or OB-2 shafts.

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Tiger shaft

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Predator shaft 314

The cue maker took a one shaft of each and cut them in half to see how accurate the shafts are made and to his surprise and mine, THIS is what we discovered about these highly requested shafts. I hope this isnt true for all of them. But geez look at how aweful that is.
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was the 314 shaft from before they moved the factory to china or after?
 
okinawa77 said:
I don't really care for my OB1 shaft.
It flexes too much.

When shooting a high ball shot with a power stroke, it flexes about twice as much as my standard shaft.
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the ones i tried had a lot of flex in them. it wasn't for me either.
 
Somthing stinks like fish here ..... How many shafts did he ruin to find somthing to bash... You cant count how many times somone has had the ferral off a preditor, if that was the norm sombody would have said somthing a long time ago....It was just last year that the ferrals were coming off because of bad clue, but knowone happened to look at the end and notice this... sure.....

As far as Tiger I dont know alot about them, but I have talked to the owner a few times in Vegas, scemes like a stand up guy that wants to put out a good product. I miscued while I was down there,(was trying to use one of their shafts on my break cue for a while) took a big chunk out of the tip and ferral, I showed it to him, he said the shaft wasnt made for breaking but took it back to Cali, fixed it and sent it to me all for free that says somthing about the guy to me....

I dont beleave in eather case he picked 2 shafts at random and thats what they looked like...And the pic. of the preditor dose look a bit strange thats one fat looking shaft. If it was cut 5 in. below the tip thats only 4 in. below the bottom of the ferral.( depending on how thick the tip was)
 
poolplayer2093 said:
was the 314 shaft from before they moved the factory to china or after?
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Sounds like another challenge to John again lol let me go heat up the popcorn
 
chin0 said:
Sounds like another challenge to John again lol let me go heat up the popcorn
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calm down. maybe john's got you hypersensitive to this made in china bs that's been floating around.

i don't ask because i don't think the guys in china can't do as good a job. i ask because i figure it takes a while to get the hand of machining things

don't try to stir the pot kid there's no need for that
 
Mowem down said:
Somthing stinks like fish here ..... How many shafts did he ruin to find somthing to bash... You cant count how many times somone has had the ferral off a preditor, if that was the norm sombody would have said somthing a long time ago....It was just last year that the ferrals were coming off because of bad clue, but knowone happened to look at the end and notice this... sure.....

As far as Tiger I dont know alot about them, but I have talked to the owner a few times in Vegas, scemes like a stand up guy that wants to put out a good product. I miscued while I was down there,(was trying to use one of their shafts on my break cue for a while) took a big chunk out of the tip and ferral, I showed it to him, he said the shaft wasnt made for breaking but took it back to Cali, fixed it and sent it to me all for free that says somthing about the guy to me....

I dont beleave in eather case he picked 2 shafts at random and thats what they looked like...And the pic. of the preditor dose look a bit strange thats one fat looking shaft. If it was cut 5 in. below the tip thats only 4 in. below the bottom of the ferral.( depending on how thick the tip was)
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you can't really compare the ferrule problem to this because people notice when their ferrule breaks. they might not know if their shaft isn't cored directly in the center
 
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