Help Me Draw

dodgecharger

Ball Breaker
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CueTable Help



Ok i set up this shot and most of the time i can draw to position (A) on occasions ill draw to (B) and if im lucky ill draw to (C) i want to be able to draw to C or Farther Consistanly because point C is considered AMATURE

so my question is how can i consistantly draw the ball whats your technique and what shots can you practice that will help you improve on drawing
 
dodgecharger said:
... how can i consistantly draw the ball whats your technique and what shots can you practice that will help you improve on drawing
A whole set of different levels of draw drills is availble on http://www.sfbilliards.com/basics.pdf starting on page 8 (but the explanation starts on page 5).

You need to hit the cue ball hard and low to get lots of draw. You need to chalk well. You need to hit the spot you want on the cue ball consistently to get consistent draw. Consistency may be improved by such things as using a shorter bridge, keeping your elbow as still as possible for the power required, and not jerking to a sudden stop as you hit the cue ball.

A good way to diagnose problems is to find a competent instructor to video tape you and look for mechanical issues.
 
Bob Jewett said:
You need to hit the cue ball hard and low to get lots of draw. You need to chalk well. You need to hit the spot you want on the cue ball consistently to get consistent draw. Consistency may be improved by such things as using a shorter bridge, keeping your elbow as still as possible for the power required, and not jerking to a sudden stop as you hit the cue ball.

A good way to diagnose problems is to find a competent instructor to video tape you and look for mechanical issues.

I agree with everything Bob said here, with one exception. Most people relate the phrase, "hit the ball hard", with a tight grip and a punching-type move through the CB. What you really want is a very loose grip, and a very fast forward swing of the cuestick, to a natural finish position (see 'set-pause-finish' threads for more details). This will give you natural followthrough, and develop your ability to draw the ball very consistently, as short or far as you desire.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
I agree with everything Bob said here, with one exception. Most people relate the phrase, "hit the ball hard", with a tight grip and a punching-type move through the CB. What you really want is a very loose grip, and a very fast forward swing of the cuestick, to a natural finish position (see 'set-pause-finish' threads for more details). This will give you natural followthrough, and develop your ability to draw the ball very consistently, as short or far as you desire.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

This is a very important distinction to make. There is such a thing as "too hard" when you're trying to draw. Everything that Bob said is spot on. But, as Scott says here, it can be important to define "hard", because sometimes people think that means hit it with (nearly) all your might. In fact, it does not have to be that way, and that might even be counterproductive. The stroke still has to be smooth, just faster than a lot of other shots, and you MUST follow through, as Marissa pointed out. This is hard to define when explaining to people, for me anyway. I've heard people explain draw simply as "hit hard and low", and that does not really suffice when someone is trying to learn.

I have a teammate who cannot draw the ball very well, if at all. I tried to explain to him that it was because of his sudden, punchy, super hard type stroke. He still hasn't gotten it yet, and I hate to tell him too much because I don't want to be condescending. But such a hard, pounding stroke can be counterproductive.

BTW, we're not disagreeing with Bob here. I think we're just trying to make clear what can be a muddy explanation. I took a clinic with Bob and his SF Billiard Academy partners, and I can say the draw drills he's referring to will most likely help you.
 
"help me draw"

paint by numbers books are always a good start. Maybe you can get one of those "how to draw your favorite superheroes" books as well.

Remember when doing shadows a good artist will never smudge the pencil for the effect.
 
Cameron Smith said:
paint by numbers books are always a good start. Maybe you can get one of those "how to draw your favorite superheroes" books as well.

Remember when doing shadows a good artist will never smudge the pencil for the effect.
i use a shading stump because i was tired of my fingers being all coverd in lead when i smudged the paper lol :)

but we are off subject here....kinda
 
dodgecharger said:
from my POV it looks like im hitting it with nothin but bottom
Your point of view, could be the problem. You may be hitting the ball, more to the left or right, than you think you are. Try hitting center ball, drectly into a rail and see if the cue ball comes straight back to where it started.

Tracy
 
dodgecharger said:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AasG1PYxB4UasG4Ubru1kYxB4kasF4kasF3kboY1kNll@

now when i try it 3 out of 5 times this happens....it makes it to the rail but it doesnt come straight back and from my POV it looks like im hitting it with nothin but bottom i dotn put any english on it at all

whats wrong now ? lol

Your not getting the backspin, either because of the point of contact on the Qball isn't low enough or your stroke is flawed, that is it may not be straight or you may not be following through. You may be hitting too hard and looks like your getting some right hand english. Hit the ball full.
 
Almost everyone here is spot on. I'd say it's probably a mental and/or stroke thing.
 
Scott Lee said:
Most people relate the phrase, "hit the ball hard", with a tight grip and a punching-type move through the CB. What you really want is a very loose grip, and a very fast forward swing of the cuestick, to a natural finish position....

Hence the saying "It's not how hard you hit it that matters, it's how well".

Boro Nut
 
dodgecharger said:
http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AasG1PYxB4UasG4Ubru1kYxB4kasF4kasF3kboY1kNll@

now when i try it 3 out of 5 times this happens....it makes it to the rail but it doesnt come straight back and from my POV it looks like im hitting it with nothin but bottom i dotn put any english on it at all

whats wrong now ? lol

I would say you aren't making contact with the cue ball where you think you are. The cue ball is telling you this by the way it reacts off the rail. It could be an issue of alignment, how you sight down the cue, or some unintended sideways movement of your cue during your stroke. Get with an instructor who can help you figure out where the problem is developing.
Steve
 
I would recommend doing progressive draw drills so that you can get the feeling of the proper stroke and gradually move the cue ball further away and gradually increase the distance of cue ball's backward motion. I certainly agree with what the players above have given you, but I would like to add one more thing: Pay attention to the FEEL of the stroke. When you do hit it well and you get the desired cue ball action, try to remember what it FELT like and try to duplicate it. Also, pay attention to the sound of the cue tip hitting the ball. When you stroke smoothly through the ball it sounds much different than the "THWACK" that you hear when you punch it. This process, called biofeedback, helps to give your body and the right hemisphere of the brain the information necessary to internalize the proper stroking motion. Lastly, what you're trying to do isn't to "hit" the cue ball, but to stroke THROUGH it.

Good luck, keep working, and as a player once told me years ago, the key is to try without trying!
 
Another thing you could try is slowing down your backswing. It can help increase your cue speed and your accuracy. A lot of players tighten up and make the backswing to fast when trying to power draw.

Colin
 
The common starting place for people with regards to draw, is are you hitting it low enough or hard enough or followthrough stroke... But that overlooks the true starting place that is the sole determinant of draw, which is actually "the SPIN of the cue ball" in the reverse direction at the point of contact with the object ball.

The other comments can be helpful factors in getting draw, but draw can be achieved without any 1 or more of those elements (low, hard, followthrough...) mentioned above. But, if you don't achieve the proper spin at the point of contact, then you'll never get draw. The benefit of this knowledge is that it puts focus on the true element for successful draw, instead of factors that are not as useful.

This raises another issue, which is be very careful of the instruction you receive regarding draw, because there are a number of different ways to achieve draw. One person may achieve draw one way, while another does it a quite different and even opposite way, so you could receive some very confusing or conflicting explanations. For example, 1 person could say that it's all about a long fluid follow through, while another person could say that a short snappy nip on the bottom but hard enough to reach the cue ball without losing the spin, would produce better results.

Since my focus is more on spin, then I'd actually say that it's ultimately about the amount of acceleration exerted on the cue ball at the right point. Getting physical for a moment, this acceleration would be the force needed to apply the proper angular rotation on the cue ball. In other words, "SPIN".


Therefore, one of the first things you want to do to achieve draw is to have some way of demonstrating whether you have the correct spin or not. Thus, when practicing draw, I'd recommend that you eliminate whitey and replace with either a striped ball (especially if you align the stripe, perpendicular to the line of draw desired) or measle dot cue ball. This factor alone will help you in two ways. 1. Being able to see the spin on the ball. And 2. the cue'd ball will definitely not be the heavy cue balls that are often required on some tables. Heavier cue balls will make it more difficult to draw. This is definitely not good when first learning.

Maybe try draw with the different cue'd ball 2-5 times to actually see what kind of spin you're putting on the ball, and to see the outcome (successful draw or not). At this point, it'd be wise to have someone who is comfortable with draw, execute the shot with the same cue'd ball. Now, you'll actually be able to see the difference between the spin you put on the ball which doesn't draw, and the spin your selected expert puts on the ball which does draw. This alone will give you a visual goal to head towards, and strive to achieve, which will head you towards a path of achieving the desired spin at the point of contact.

Identifying the problem result:
1. not generating spin
2. not generating the right kind of spin in the right direction (spinning left or right would significantly reduce effectiveness)
3. not generating enough spin to overcome the cancelling effects naturally caused by the friction between the cue ball and the felt as it travels towards the object ball

Once you identify the problem result, then people can more accurately relay the solution, if still necessary. With the information above you may already be able to achieve successful draw.
 
VIProfessor said:
Lastly, what you're trying to do isn't to "hit" the cue ball, but to stroke THROUGH it.
When I first started to learn to draw, I visualized not hitting the cue ball, but a spot 5" beyond it. This ensures that you will be following through.

Tracy
 
VIProfessor said:
I would recommend doing progressive draw drills so that you can get the feeling of the proper stroke and gradually move the cue ball further away and gradually increase the distance of cue ball's backward motion. I certainly agree with what the players above have given you, but I would like to add one more thing: Pay attention to the FEEL of the stroke. When you do hit it well and you get the desired cue ball action, try to remember what it FELT like and try to duplicate it. Also, pay attention to the sound of the cue tip hitting the ball. When you stroke smoothly through the ball it sounds much different than the "THWACK" that you hear when you punch it. This process, called biofeedback, helps to give your body and the right hemisphere of the brain the information necessary to internalize the proper stroking motion. Lastly, what you're trying to do isn't to "hit" the cue ball, but to stroke THROUGH it.

Good luck, keep working, and as a player once told me years ago, the key is to try without trying!

Wow, that's pretty good. It'd still be hard to articulate in person, I think, to someone who's asking how to draw. But it really is just what you said.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Another thing you could try is slowing down your backswing. It can help increase your cue speed and your accuracy. A lot of players tighten up and make the backswing to fast when trying to power draw.

Colin

Another excellent point. This is another bad habit that is easy to develop without noticing it.
 
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