A good position drill

Roy Steffensen

Roy Steffensen

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I finally got a chance to practise with Line Kjorsvik again, after she has been to tournaments and practise camps the last month.

During her practise camp last week with swede Henrik Larson, World Wheelchair Champion, they descovered this position drill.

I tried it today and wow, this drill requires full focus on every shot, and each shot requires a different kind of speed, stroke, aiming, and you also need to cheat the pocket on one shot compared to another to make the cueball follow the route you planned.

I am not very good with doing drills, so I always enjoy to practise with Line. We normally plays some 14-1 and 9-ball, then she forces me to do drills, even when I don't want to anymore. I know it helps my game, but I find it boring to do alone...

Anyway, here's the drill, good luck! (I have used the striped balls to get the same colours on the lines as the balls the cueball are supposed to hit. Didn't know how to delete the balls after I made the lines, so it's a real cluster on the spot with the cueball :D)

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Thanks Roy. I've never seen that one.

For added discomfort, try using the end rail and inside english only.
 
Can you explain it a little more...such as where does the cue start, are you trying to pocket the ball and then get the cue back to the spot taking the path shown, etc? It looks intriguing and I would like to try.
 
you are supposed to pocket a ball in the upper left corner, the cueball starts at the spot, and after you pocket the ball the cueball is supposed to go 2 rails and then hit the ball on the rail.

I had put the 9-ball near the upper left pocket, but somehow it disappeared when I made the post...
 
This is an angle that comes up all the time, and a very nice illustration of how to practice it. A suggestion would be to move the cue ball around and see what changes you need to make to get to the diamonds.
 
This is an angle that comes up all the time, and a very nice illustration of how to practice it. A suggestion would be to move the cue ball around and see what changes you need to make to get to the diamonds.
 
Ugh:eek: ......grrrrrrrrrr:confused: ......@*)#:mad: .......

UNCLE............:(

DOH...........:rolleyes:

I'll take the "last 3" :D :D
 
Of all of those positions, this is the one I have mastered to perfection........(JK...:) )


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What would be real helpful on this drill is for someone (an expert) to sort of identify which shots will require speed and draw (or follow) only vs. which will require speed and running english, and or which will require a combination of speed, draw and running english...

My suggestion that my help the learning curve for anyone that is just learning this drill is to first identify the natrual targets based from a total centerball (non rolling CB) shot, then a "natural" rolling CB....then once you have the (natural targets) engrained in you mind...adjust accordingly to achieve the other targets...

The idea is that when it comes to game time...you will know the "natural" paths...and through this drill will be able to "adjust accordingly" from the natural path.

Also...a word to the wise....or those that want to throw off the hustlers...or at least get a little better spot.

Top level hustlers will pay attention to exactly this kind of stuff....A ton of people know how to pocket balls......and they have all sorts of creative goofy strokes...but if a hustler sees you struggle with controlling the rock in these situations...(aka: struggling at getting where you want the CB to go instead of where the CB will naturally want to go).....you become a target. :)
 
Shots:

Hit the 1-ball: Pocket the 9 in the left side of the pocket, hard draw with left english.

Hit the 2-ball: Same as the first shot, but hit center/right in the pocket.

Hit the 3-ball: Pocket in the center of the pocket, use less draw than the previous shots, and let the english work the angle.

Hit the 4-ball: Top follow, about 2 tips of left english, soft stroke.

Hit the 5-ball: Top follow, soft stroke, just a bit left english.

Hit the 6-ball. Top follow, soft stroke, no english.

Most people will struggle on shot 3 and 4, atleast I did. Guess it is because I am afraid of scratching...
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Shots:

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I think it is a mistake on this shot to play the object ball for other than the center of the pocket, especially on Table 4 where I play. Side spin and distance already make the shot difficult enough. Rather than cheat the pocket for shot 1, I'd work on having my best draw -- I think it's impossible to scratch directly off the object ball.

You may want to include 7 -- one cushion to a ball hung in the corner pocket and 6+ -- one cushion to the six ball. And maybe 3.5.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I finally got a chance to practise with Line Kjorsvik again, after she has been to tournaments and practise camps the last month.

During her practise camp last week with swede Henrik Larson, World Wheelchair Champion, they descovered this position drill.

I tried it today and wow, this drill requires full focus on every shot, and each shot requires a different kind of speed, stroke, aiming, and you also need to cheat the pocket on one shot compared to another to make the cueball follow the route you planned.

I am not very good with doing drills, so I always enjoy to practise with Line. We normally plays some 14-1 and 9-ball, then she forces me to do drills, even when I don't want to anymore. I know it helps my game, but I find it boring to do alone...

Anyway, here's the drill, good luck! (I have used the striped balls to get the same colours on the lines as the balls the cueball are supposed to hit. Didn't know how to delete the balls after I made the lines, so it's a real cluster on the spot with the cueball :D)

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I like this drill, but I have a suggestion: master it without sidespin first. You can get the cue ball to all the positions that way, although you have to hit a little harder. Another refinement is to place coins or chalk on the first (end) and second (side) cushions where you think you'll hit them - this teaches you to accurately predict the exact CB path, which helps when the CB and OB are in different positions.

pj
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Thanx for the post Roy. I too hate doing drills where you endlessly shoot balls in. However, I like CB position type drills like this one. For the same shot, you shoot it many ways to see where CB goes. I'm pretty sure that there are a hundred more variations to just the ones you showed.
 
Joe T said:
This is not the same cb position but I believe it'll help some understand the shot a little better. I love teaching this drill and have been doing it for yrs as I believe it to be huge in rotation type games.
http://www.howcast.com/videos/10409-How-To-Play-2-Rail-Position
I agree with Bob on not cheating the pocket from that distance but where I have it set up you can.
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I see you don't choreograph your videos and that makes me enjoy them all the more. You play very well even while talking. I have to keep my mouth shut if I want any kind of consistency. :D
JoeyA
 
Roy Steffensen said:
... I tried it today and wow, this drill requires full focus on every shot, and each shot requires a different kind of speed, stroke, aiming, and you also need to cheat the pocket on one shot compared to another to make the cueball follow the route you planned. ...

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I tried the drill last night and found it quite challenging. I was on the aforementioned table that's too tight to allow any pocket cheating, so my pocketing percentage took a while to get above 50%.

Here are three variations on the shot at the extremes:

With best draw and a little bit of right english, you can put make the cue ball go two cushions back to where the object ball starts. I did this the first time by accident, and it looked impossible, but it just takes good draw and a little spin. (Use the same rails as for ball 1, but with more draw.)

As I mentioned above, you can go one cushion to the 6 but you can also go one cushion (end rail with right follow) to the 4 ball.

Finally, it you shoot harder, you can take the cue ball four cushions to the lower left corner -- about the same path as to the 5.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I tried the drill last night and found it quite challenging. I was on the aforementioned table that's too tight to allow any pocket cheating, so my pocketing percentage took a while to get above 50%.

Here are three variations on the shot at the extremes:

With best draw and a little bit of right english, you can put make the cue ball go two cushions back to where the object ball starts. I did this the first time by accident, and it looked impossible, but it just takes good draw and a little spin. (Use the same rails as for ball 1, but with more draw.)
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That's a Santos type shot there Bob. I've seen him take a shot with this type of angle and double the end rail with high inside (by accident).
He was trying to go to position "A" by holding it with the high inside using just 2 rails BUT he underestimated his stroke! I freaked as I watched it come 4 rails out to postion "B", I thought he did it on purpose that way but later he fessed up and told me what he was trying to do.

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