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Has anyone here heard of a guy called “The Preacher?” His name is Chuck and I am pretty sure he is from Georgia. He started playing in our pool room about 5 months ago and all of the regulars got to know him pretty well (we thought!). To make a long story short, he seemed to be a decent player, and even filled in on my APA league 8-ball team. He ranked about a six and that seemed about right. He would complain about his missed shots, position, etc. He seemed like a slightly above average player, nothing special. He liked playing for money and normally won about a hundred or two and never lost any more than this. He claimed to be a Presbyterian minister and said most people just call him “Preacher”. Any way, about three weeks ago he got in a 9-ball match with Stephan, one of our top players. He was getting a heavy spot and got way ahead of Stephan before anyone realized he was hustling. He was up three grand and Stephan was mad. His pride got to him and he challenged the guy to a race to ten for 10 grand. After Stephan lost the coin toss, he sat down and didn’t get up again until it was time to pay up. He never got a shot. The Preacher ran ten racks on a triple shimmed table flawlessly. He never got out of line in his position, and never even seemed to have a hard shot. We were all dumbfounded! This guy was awesome!! He left that night and never came back. We found out later that he ran similar scams in at least three other pool rooms locally. We estimate that he has won at least 80 grand this way, maybe more. I have never seen a more convincing hustler in my life. I have played for over 15 years and never had anyone fool me like this. Does anyone know this guy? He is in his early thirties (I think), brown graying hair, and is about 6’ and 250 lbs. He has a Pechaur maple cue, ebony points, Predator 314 shaft. The cue has two dogs and the letters “Road Dog’s Special” engraved on the butt cap. He says he got it in Oklahoma. He uses a Predator BK2 to break with. If anyone knows anything about this guy, please let me know.
 
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Maybe off topic, but just curious. Was it rack your own?

You said he was from Georgia. Where did this happen?
 
Swift Lives said:
Has anyone here heard of a guy called “The Preacher?” His name is Chuck and I am pretty sure he is from Georgia. He started playing in our pool room about 5 months ago and all of the regulars got to know him pretty well (we thought!). To make a long story short, he seemed to be a decent player, and even filled in on my APA league 8-ball team. He ranked about a six and that seemed about right. He would complain about his missed shots, position, etc. He seemed like a slightly above average player, nothing special. He liked playing for money and normally won about a hundred or two and never lost any more than this. He claimed to be a Presbyterian minister and said most people just call him “Preacher”. Any way, about three weeks ago he got in a 9-ball match with Stephan, one of our top players. He was getting a heavy spot and got way ahead of Stephan before anyone realized he was hustling. He was up three grand and Stephan was mad. His pride got to him and he challenged the guy to a race to ten for 10 grand. After Stephan lost the coin toss, he sat down and didn’t get up again until it was time to pay up. He never got a shot. The Preacher ran ten racks on a triple shimmed table flawlessly. He never got out of line in his position, and never even seemed to have a hard shot. We were all dumbfounded! This guy was awesome!! He left that night and never came back. We found out later that he ran similar scams in at least three other pool rooms locally. We estimate that he has won at least 80 grand this way, maybe more. I have never seen a more convincing hustler in my life. I have played for over 15 years and never had anyone fool me like this. Does anyone know this guy? He is in his early thirties (I think), brown graying hair, and is about 6’ and 250 lbs. He has a Pechaur maple cue, ebony points, Predator 314 shaft. The cue has two dogs holding a cue in their mouths and the letters “Road Dog’s Special” engraved on the butt cap. He says he got it in Oklahoma. He uses a Predator BK2 to break with. If anyone knows anything about this guy, please let me know.
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Just curious.

Are you angry at him? Your player was trying to take money from a supposedly inferior player. Isn't that just as wrong?

If I knew who this was, I wouldn't tell you because it sounds like you or the other guys around might intend him harm.

Cheers,
RC
 
I don't know who that is, but he is living the life I've always dreamed about!
 
BillYards said:
I don't know who that is, but he is living the life I've always dreamed about!
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Not me!

Imagine people looking for you, and in the circumstance related above, there's probably a good reason he hasn't shown up in that area since then. Very dangerous way to live, IMHO.

Flex
 
sixpack said:
Just curious.

Are you angry at him? Your player was trying to take money from a supposedly inferior player. Isn't that just as wrong?

If I knew who this was, I wouldn't tell you because it sounds like you or the other guys around might intend him harm.

Cheers,
RC
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I am sorry if I made it sound like I was mad at him. No not at all. I actually found it funny and quite frankly, Stephan is one of my least favorite persons in the world. He has about as much personality as a brick wall. As for his play though, he was giving a lot of weight to this guy so I don't think he was being unfair. He got raped though!! :D I mean the guy no harm. I am just impressed that he is that great a hustler and actor. I just would like to know how many times and places he has done this.
 
Swift Lives said:
Has anyone here heard of a guy called “The Preacher?” His name is Chuck and I am pretty sure he is from Georgia. He started playing in our pool room about 5 months ago and all of the regulars got to know him pretty well (we thought!). To make a long story short, he seemed to be a decent player, and even filled in on my APA league 8-ball team. He ranked about a six and that seemed about right. He would complain about his missed shots, position, etc. He seemed like a slightly above average player, nothing special. He liked playing for money and normally won about a hundred or two and never lost any more than this. He claimed to be a Presbyterian minister and said most people just call him “Preacher”. Any way, about three weeks ago he got in a 9-ball match with Stephan, one of our top players. He was getting a heavy spot and got way ahead of Stephan before anyone realized he was hustling. He was up three grand and Stephan was mad. His pride got to him and he challenged the guy to a race to ten for 10 grand. After Stephan lost the coin toss, he sat down and didn’t get up again until it was time to pay up. He never got a shot. The Preacher ran ten racks on a triple shimmed table flawlessly. He never got out of line in his position, and never even seemed to have a hard shot. We were all dumbfounded! This guy was awesome!! He left that night and never came back. We found out later that he ran similar scams in at least three other pool rooms locally. We estimate that he has won at least 80 grand this way, maybe more. I have never seen a more convincing hustler in my life. I have played for over 15 years and never had anyone fool me like this. Does anyone know this guy? He is in his early thirties (I think), brown graying hair, and is about 6’ and 250 lbs. He has a Pechaur maple cue, ebony points, Predator 314 shaft. The cue has two dogs holding a cue in their mouths and the letters “Road Dog’s Special” engraved on the butt cap. He says he got it in Oklahoma. He uses a Predator BK2 to break with. If anyone knows anything about this guy, please let me know.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. Any preacher that gambles for one is a sign. And another sign is that he had a cue with the letters Road Dog’s Special.. Man I cant believe that you fell for that
 
Swift Lives said:
I am sorry if I made it sound like I was mad at him. No not at all. I actually found it funny and quite frankly, Stephan is one of my least favorite persons in the world. He has about as much personality as a brick wall. As for his play though, he was giving a lot of weight to this guy so I don't think he was being unfair. He got raped though!! :D I mean the guy no harm. I am just impressed that he is that great a hustler and actor. I just would like to know how many times and places he has done this.
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Yea its funny. Thanks for the post lol
 
5ballcharlie said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Any preacher that gambles for one is a sign. And another sign is that he had a cue with the letters Road Dog’s Special.. Man I cant believe that you fell for that
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I admit that the minister part through me for a loop. I even talked to him about it. He quoted some Bible verse about the wealth of the wicked belonging to the righteous or something similar. It made no sense to me but I am not religious so what do I know? As for the cue, Road Dog's is a pool room in OK City, I checked it out. The guy who runs the place is a cat named Danny and he said that he has Pechaur make cues with that kind of but cap just for him. The Preacher told me this when I met him and looked at his cue. It made sense so I didn't think the cue was any indication of his play. Besides you gotta realize that this guy played at 6 speed or so for months before this happened. His act was perfect!! I only lost a couple hundred off him over the whole time so I guess I got lucky.
 
Swift Lives said:
I admit that the minister part through me for a loop. I even talked to him about it. He quoted some Bible verse about the wealth of the wicked belonging to the righteous or something similar. It made no sense to me but I am not religious so what do I know? As for the cue, Road Dog's is a pool room in OK City, I checked it out. The guy who runs the place is a cat named Danny and he said that he has Pechaur make cues with that kind of but cap just for him. The Preacher told me this when I met him and looked at his cue. It made sense so I didn't think the cue was any indication of his play. Besides you gotta realize that this guy played at 6 speed or so for months before this happened. His act was perfect!! I only lost a couple hundred off him over the whole time so I guess I got lucky.
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Those are the kind of guys that kill the action in many a pool room. Hustlers in the worst sense of the word. He took five months to make a killing. About right.

Flex
 
Swift Lives said:
I am sorry if I made it sound like I was mad at him. No not at all. I actually found it funny and quite frankly, Stephan is one of my least favorite persons in the world. He has about as much personality as a brick wall. As for his play though, he was giving a lot of weight to this guy so I don't think he was being unfair. He got raped though!! :D I mean the guy no harm. I am just impressed that he is that great a hustler and actor. I just would like to know how many times and places he has done this.
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Gotcha. Jersey Red did a very similar thing in Cookeville Tennessee once. Used to be more common than it is today.

I'll share a story of my run-in with "the preacher", one day when I got news that my grandfather had passed away, I was in no mood to do anything, but I was with friends at a pool hall when I heard the news. I didn't feel like hanging out with them, so I asked a guy whom everybody called "the preacher" to play. Don't know if it's the same preacher, doubt it by your description unless he's gained some weight. Guy plays about 10-2 or 10-1 in the Phoenix handicap system, which is pretty sporty.

We played races to 7 on the tight table at Kolby's for a couple of hours. He never let up and it was great because I had to focus everything I had on playing and it kept my mind off of my grandfather. I ended up down 3 sets (I think) - If I remember correctly they all were hill-hill or within one or two games of it. Rattled several balls because the table was so tight or probably would have won.

For what I needed at the time, it was perfect. We didn't make chit-chat, we didn't do anything but play pool. We might have said less than 10 words the 3 or so hours we played. Happier losing the money to him than paying to talk to a therapist for a few hours, and probably better off. I never saw him again, but I appreciate the time I spent with the preacher. That experience is an example of what I like about pool.

Thanks for sharing it with us.

Cheers,
RC
 
Swift Lives said:
I admit that the minister part through me for a loop. I even talked to him about it. He quoted some Bible verse about the wealth of the wicked belonging to the righteous or something similar. It made no sense to me but I am not religious so what do I know? As for the cue, Road Dog's is a pool room in OK City, I checked it out. The guy who runs the place is a cat named Danny and he said that he has Pechaur make cues with that kind of but cap just for him. The Preacher told me this when I met him and looked at his cue. It made sense so I didn't think the cue was any indication of his play. Besides you gotta realize that this guy played at 6 speed or so for months before this happened. His act was perfect!! I only lost a couple hundred off him over the whole time so I guess I got lucky.
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Man he really played it smart. Playing as a 6 for months just waiting to knock that guy off. Well what happend when he started stringing racks and playing lock up safties. After he won did he bolt out of the poolroom or did he bullshit and try to give him a spot?
 
Flex said:
Those are the kind of guys that kill the action in many a pool room. Hustlers in the worst sense of the word. He took five months to make a killing. About right.

Flex
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Flex I think we all got it wrong here. All that happend was preach just caught a gear that night. He is probably still a 6 ya think.

rotflmao
 
5ballcharlie said:
Man he really played it smart. Playing as a 6 for months just waiting to knock that guy off. Well what happend when he started stringing racks and playing lock up safties. After he won did he bolt out of the poolroom or did he bullshit and try to give him a spot?
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No, he didn't say much at all. Looked quite somber, and calm. He took his money, and then said thanks with a smirk. It drove Stephan insane you could tell. He put his cues away, taking a real long time to put the joint protectors on, like he was rubbing it in and savoring th moment. Stephan wanted to fight I could tell but this cat was a big boy and he just had that "Bring a lunch it will take you all day to whip me" look about him. Then he said goobye to everyone of us he knew and strolled out just like on any other night he had been there. We were speechless. I did notice that he was whistling a tune when he went out. I think it might even have been a hymn, no BS!!!!!!! It was absolutely classic. You could not have made up a better story!!

PS He never played ay lock up safeties in that set for ten grand...he never missed!!! That was what was so incredible!!
 
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5ballcharlie said:
Flex I think we all got it wrong here. All that happend was preach just caught a gear that night. He is probably still a 6 ya think.

rotflmao
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Yeah right... I know "6"es who are pro's... Nobody's ever heard of them, they just barely win, and take your money... I've seen these guys operating. No good...

Flex
 
I dunno... sandbagging for five months just to set up one $10k score seems like a lot of investment for little return. It could be that this guy was just on fire that one night. *shrug*
 
Ratings...

It is very easy to fool any ranking system; a bit harder to fool a real person. Put me in the APA and Ill shoot a 3 all night, until someone is ready to put some money on a game.
Just last night I was playing in a real weak 8-ball tourny; I missed a break and run my first rack, but my opponent gave ball in hand the next shot and I got out. The second guy I played had the attitude that he had already lost before he played me... I absolutely hate when someone doesnt even want to try, so I thought alright pal, Im just going to torture you this game... I wont even play to win, Ill play so you loose. Of course I let the guy shoot at a bank on his last ball, and he made it to my suprise; leaving himself a thin cut in the side for the win. He goes for a kick shot rather then the scratch possible cut... well he scratches on the eight, imagine that, I had him so psyched out that he couldnt think straight.
The next game I played was a girl who didnt talk any BS... I broke and ran on her because she didnt deserve the torture.
Long story even longer... I played the guy again in the finals, he had to beat me twice, I lost the first game and asked him to play for all the money on the last game; he really didnt know what to think, so he said, "No I only have $2 in my bank, and I want at least one more drink before I leave." I felt simpathy for him, but beat him fast anyway.

It is easy to miss, especially tougher shots; and it is easy to manipulate weak minded people.
 
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