A story about nittiness...........have we come to THIS?

Tommy-D

World's best B player...
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> This story was relayed to me via several phone calls,and I have made every effort to make sure I have the facts straight. Since there is only one person involved in this story who's name is common here,I'll leave his name out. Someone from Caruthersville,Mo called my friend and protege Joe and told him they had a guy from St. Louis in the poolroom,and he was looking for a game. Joe makes the hour drive with his backer Jeremiah. He gets there,and proceeds to make a game,races to 7 for less than 100 bucks. My friend Larry is called to come sweat the game,so he makes an even longer drive. Larry walks in and recognizes Joe's opponent,who is a former DCC banks winner and most recently a 100 ball runner in 14.1. This is where it gets complicated. Everyone in the room is in on the fact that Joe is in a game he can't possibly win if it goes long enough,except Joe,his backer,and now Larry. Since Joe,Larry,Jeremiah,and myself have rolled to tournaments together several times,we all look for each other,or more to the point Larry and myself look after these other 2,they are prone to accidentally getting in bad spots/games. Larry is making it a point to inform Jeremiah that his money is tied up in an unwinnable game,due to this champion's well-hidden top gear. Joe had played fairly well,and the champion played bad on purpose,with Joe winning the first set just as Larry walked in. By the time Larry got a chance to talk to Jeremiah,they had already doubled the bet,and started a new set. The champion plays just good enough stay in the set,by this time the cat is on his way out of the bag,Larry simply will not let our friends stay stuck in an obvious trap,and makes his point known loud enough that the champion knows his cover is blown,admits to Joe who he is,and starts to show a little speed,and wins the second set,making him a 50 dollar winner. Jeremiah pulls up,but is not quite sure what to believe. An older guy that didn't appear to be in on the planning of the trap and pulls him off to the side to speak privately. It was made clear to Jeremiah that the owner of the poolroom was called at home,and told that a world-class pro was "just passing through" on his way to a qualifier of some kind,possibly IPT,in Georgia. The owner of the room comes up with an idea,"hey,we'll call Joe to come play this guy so we can watch Joe get drilled",or something to this effect. Whether it was the player that was responsible for giving a fake name,or whether the guys in the room,that all knew each other came up with it is unclear at this point. Either way,they told the pro that they could call someone that MIGHT play,if the pro was interested in making a "little" money. This is when the "hustle" was planned out from the way I understand it. The pro had a backer from Blytheville,AR,that was apparently flush,when the bet was paid they added the 50 profit they made off Joe to a stack that was said to have been in the 7-8k range. Larry came up to the pro,who is often present right here on AZB and asked him why the hell he wasn't in Nashville for the big tournament at JOB's. He played dumb,and asked what was going on in Nashville. Larry said "just the Music City Open,hell man everyone is there,I figured that is where you would be". The pro said something to the effect of "I never play in that tournament,I don't like bar tables". Larry's reply was "bull**** b***h,you played in it the last 2 years because I SAW you there,not to mention the fact you played in that bar table tournament in Memphis back in November,and I saw you there too!". The pro gave him a mean but non-threatening look,as if he was really mad about the fact that Larry had blown his cover. Here is my take on this situation,and the part that I would like the population of this forum to discuss. While I feel that 100% of the blame for the game happening in the first place is Joe and Jeremiah's fault for not KNOWING who this stone cold champion is by face recognition alone,I can't blame them at all for stepping up. If they had recognized him,and still played,I would have commended them both. I would have done the same,even knowing exactly who he his,in fact he's one of my favorite players. What I cannot comprehend is,why would someone go to such out of the way lengths to trap someone for 50 bucks? Joe,myself,and the rest of my crew have always been good friends with those guys,or so we thought because true friends don't trap friends,or stage games to see friends gets beat. The other thing I fail to understand is why the hell a world champion is playing along with a childish,nitty old man-style hustle,and for such a meaningless amount? I can understand this guy coming into a strange poolroom,announcing himself as a world class player,and them lining up to play 50 dollar sets as a "donation" for him coming in and helping business,much like a challenge-table like DCC. I would have participated in that myself,repeatedly in fact. I can see Joe challenging him to play cheap sets as a way to gauge his own speed,because I've always encouraged him to do so. But for a worldbeater like this guy to be playing totally outclassed opponents for a tank of free gas,without offering a spot to a player that obviously needs it is almost despicable,if this is in fact the way things went down. Was Larry wrong to have spilled the beans? By doing so,he not only got our boy out of a trap,but saved the backer from a sure trip to jail,it would have got real physical in there if he had been stuck by this move worse than he was,and exposed the pro to be exactly that,not to mention a lambkiller,insuring this would never happen again in that place with any of the participants there. When people call a so-called friend to come play a guy that he can't beat,knowing exactly who he is and playing ignorant about it,and a top-30 pro stoops to possibly helping a hustle along for mere gas/food money,what the hell comes next? Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> what the hell comes next?

uhhh...the apocalypse?

You make it sound like if he was trying to hustle him for alot of money instead of a little, it would have been ok. Sounds to me like the pro was just trying to make a couple of bucks, and he wasn't trying to rob someone out of their life savings. If he had the guy stuck a couple thousand, than yeah that would suck, but 50 or so dollars...you sure are being melodramatic.

And your dumb friend jumping up to play someone he doesn't know, he deserves to lose. There definately was some nittyness involved, but it wasn't the pro, that's for sure. And did you ask him why he did all that for just $50? Probably not....you are just going to wait until someone guesses his name and his reputation gets smeared, and you don't have to worry about being guilty of saying his name because someone else will. That's what you want to happen, obviously.
 
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> The point about the pro being involved was that he should NOT have been involved,as part of a "hustle". If he made his presence known,and was just playing cheap sets to keep his stroke up,I would have no beef. He does display more than a modest amount of nittiness for helping this trap along. As far as him picking up a few bucks,what good is 50 bucks and a partially blown reputation going to do him on the road? Sure,he would have liked to made more,but he was told ahead of time that this would not be the kind of score a player of his caliber SHOULD have been interested in,especially when he won several thou at DCC. If I had been present,I wouldn't have bothered to ask him why he went to all that trouble,I would have just got in the box,after telling the whole room that he was in fact a champion,just to make him open up and see if I can deal with it. To me,playing pretty cheap sets like this with a known worldbeater is too good of an opportunity to pass up,especially if I can make him earn the 4 sets I would have lost in that spot. As far as me specifically posting this just so someone else can possibly guess this players name,it wouldn't be hard to guess it considering the fact that it is displayed here daily,and in a way I hope his name does come out,as this kind of stuff is the same thing this guy has complained about ON this forum. Do I think his reputation will be soiled as a result? Probably not,unless this kind of thing is a regular habit for him. Tommy D.
 
Sounds to me like Joe is pretty dumb and not very well liked at all. His so called friends must have really wanted him to lose.

A top 30 pro walks in and no one in the pool room recognizes him? Not even Joe? Yep, Joe is very dumb. And probably hated. The locals must have got tired of losing to Joe.

And who is the nit who pointed the pro out after the trap was set?

Sounds like everyone was enjoying Joe get hosed.

Jake
 
cuetechasaurus said:
uhhh...the apocalypse?

You make it sound like if he was trying to hustle him for alot of money instead of a little, it would have been ok. Sounds to me like the pro was just trying to make a couple of bucks, and he wasn't trying to rob someone out of their life savings. If he had the guy stuck a couple thousand, than yeah that would suck, but 50 or so dollars...you sure are being melodramatic.

And your dumb friend jumping up to play someone he doesn't know, he deserves to lose. There definately was some nittyness involved, but it wasn't the pro, that's for sure. And did you ask him why he did all that for just $50? Probably not....you are just going to wait until someone guesses his name and his reputation gets smeared, and you don't have to worry about being guilty of saying his name because someone else will. That's what you want to happen, obviously.



only words of wisdom like that can come from the cuetechasaurus.

IT AIN'T ABOUT THE MONEY! this place over in MO is just a little game room and they are always calling joe over there to play so and so and he beat them all to death. i guess they got pissed and wanted to play a trick on him. so this guy (everyone should know who he is) probably did just happen to be passing through and they said "we'll get joe over here and watch him get beat and have a big laugh." the pro might not have had anything to do with it initially. i can't imagine this guy winning as much money as he did at derby city in the straight pool and actually "hustling" someone out of lunch money. btw, the only reason it was $50 is because i told jeremiah to quit when he did; they probably would have went off for several hundred before realizing they couldn't win.

like i said, the pro probably didn't instigate the thing but he did play along with them and told joe and jeremiah that his name was "danny charles" when it wasn't. he knew he was hustling this kid out of a quick, short score and who wouldn't want a few hundred extra dollars?

that is what i don't understand. why he would even lower himself to that. this guy is a world champion and is supposed to have some class. hell, joe would have played him even if he had told him straight up who he was and his true speed. joe would have lost a little just for the chance of playing a top level pro just for the experience. all this "smoke and mirrors" stuff was just plain stupid.

the reason i told them is because i saw that they had NO IDEA who he was and i didn't want my friends getting hustled. when i told them who he was they could very well have said "yeah we know who he is, let's see how joe does" and that would have been fine. i just wanted them to know what was going on.

they were pissed because the people had lied to them and joe quit. upon putting his stick up, "danny charles" was talking to him and that is when i asked him about nashville and whatnot. he looked all pissed at me. what did he expect? a pro like that trying to hustle for that small change. pitiful.
 
what the hell makes me a nit for pointing out the pro? who the hell are you?



jjinfla said:
Sounds to me like Joe is pretty dumb and not very well liked at all. His so called friends must have really wanted him to lose.

A top 30 pro walks in and no one in the pool room recognizes him? Not even Joe? Yep, Joe is very dumb. And probably hated. The locals must have got tired of losing to Joe.

And who is the nit who pointed the pro out after the trap was set?

Sounds like everyone was enjoying Joe get hosed.

Jake
 
In fact this sounds like the hustler got hustled and now he is crying.

LOL.


Seems to me it would be okay to bring in Joe and hustle someone but it is no good the other way around.
 
jjinfla said:
In fact this sounds like the hustler got hustled and now he is crying.

LOL.


Seems to me it would be okay to bring in Joe and hustle someone but it is no good the other way around.


when did joe go in and hustle these dudes?
 
vivalaraza said:
what the hell makes me a nit for pointing out the pro? who the hell are you?

Someone who would have sat back, minded my own business, and enjoyed the show.

But then I suppose that from now on whenever Joe gets a game you will go up the the opponent and tell him that he is being hustled?
 
jjinfla said:
Someone who would have sat back, minded my own business, and enjoyed the show.

But then I suppose that from now on whenever Joe gets a game you will go up the the opponent and tell him that he is being hustled?


why do you say that joe is always hustling his opponents? everyone around here knows joes speed so there is no hustle involved when he plays. joe is not a road player. we are all working class folk or so-called "weekend warriors". we don't go out on the road hustling and looking for games like you think.

you would have let your best friend fall victim to a move like that and not said anything to him? i am glad we are not your friend. the point is there was no need for this guy to even be in on a move like that. joe would have lost a little money to him knowing who he was. i told them because i knew they didn't know.
 
jjinfla said:
So who is the pro? I want to congratulate him the next time I see him.


he's on here all the time so you can tell him here. what are you gonna congratulate him for?
 
I'd slap my friend uypside his head and say you stupid Q, don't you know who that is? And have a good laugh. (Q = F - secret code so I don't get in trouble with the boss)
 
vivalaraza said:
". we don't go out on the road hustling and looking for games like you think.

.

Sounds like he sure was looking for a game that night. And I even suspect that when he was called he was told there was chump here he could make some easy money off. Now fess up. Isn't that really what happened? Joe was looking to take advantage of some sap.

Jake
 
> Joe didn't know who he was about to play,and if he had been told ahead of time,would have probably STILL played,just to be in action. Joe is NOT the type to go looking for easy wins,he's stepped up and played Rudolfo Luat,Tom Karabotsos and Jeff Carter before,although not for large stakes but knew who he was playing,and was not scared. I'm sure if he had got there and found some fish waiting,that an adjustment would have been made,I taught him a long time ago to take the worst of it on a spot when making a game sometimes and try to outrun it. I will agree with you on this point,as long as Joe has been around the game,he should have known who this guy was on sight,considering we've watched an Accu-Stats video with him in it. Tommy D.
 
jjinfla said:
Sounds like he sure was looking for a game that night. And I even suspect that when he was called he was told there was chump here he could make some easy money off. Now fess up. Isn't that really what happened? Joe was looking to take advantage of some sap.

Jake


nope you are wrong again. he actually wasn't looking for a game that night. they were in the local room playing like always and the guys from MO (we are from TN; the towns are just right across the river) called and told him to come play this guy that was looking for a game.

joe knew it wasn't just some "sap". these guys have never just served anyone up on a platter for joe. he knows that when they call him for a game it is because they are betting against him. i guess he should have known something was up but he would have never suspected a player like that to be in a place like that. this place is not even a pool room it is just a little game room.

they call joe over there when they think they have someone who can beat him because he already beat all them. you are right it is joe's fault for not knowing players. the part that kills me is that the pro would even go along with it because he knew what they were doing. that is what i don't understand. it would have been different if there was significant money involved but this was for miniscule stakes. and then the pro wasn't even cool about it when he heard me telling joe and jerimiah who he was; that's when i knew he was in on the plan. i fully understand the MO guys trying to hustle joe but i couldn't believe the pro would resort to something so nitty.

you really have to understand the situation. this was not like efren coming over and using a mexican name and making $250,000 hustling fellow pros. i have never seen a top-tier pro play a $50 set before. i guess i was just surprised.
 
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