Poll: Jump cues and cue extenders
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Jump cues & cue extenders
These two are apples and oranges (different issues) !
Obviously a device to extend out the cue tip to hit a ball is and has been used forever
(especially on 12 foot snooker tables)!
Jump cues are relatively new to billiards and the decision to use them (or not) probably should be left to the international regulators, ie., WPA, etc.. In the absence of such a rule, local rules prevail.
These two are apples and oranges (different issues) !
Obviously a device to extend out the cue tip to hit a ball is and has been used forever
(especially on 12 foot snooker tables)!
Jump cues are relatively new to billiards and the decision to use them (or not) probably should be left to the international regulators, ie., WPA, etc.. In the absence of such a rule, local rules prevail.
I'll agree that they accomplish the same task. IMO, the means does not justify the end. They require two specific and unique skills. Using the bridge requires skill and practice.
Using the extender requires a credit card to buy one.
I voted "no" in the poll as it's been a long-accepted rule that jump cues are not allowed to be used in one-pocket. As far as the cue extenders, I'm up-in-the-air concerning them. I play with a 60" cue and it's amazing how many times the extra length comes in handy, thus avoiding the use of the bridge. So to me, the cue extender issue is a bit of a gray area.
Well
since this is all academic, I throw in my .02 cents. I wasn't thrilled when jump cues came out, I mean, if you couldn't do it with a regular cue, you couldn't do it ... right? The game has changed, it has more dimensions to it than the 'old days', and I have found it is better to 'embrace' the change than to fight it.
That's why I voted yes on the poll. Jump shots in 1 pocket are a lot more critical than other games, and controlling the cue ball still even more important.
Cue extenders, IMO, should not even be a part of this discussion. There is nothing wrong with them anytime, for any game.
since this is all academic, I throw in my .02 cents. I wasn't thrilled when jump cues came out, I mean, if you couldn't do it with a regular cue, you couldn't do it ... right? The game has changed, it has more dimensions to it than the 'old days', and I have found it is better to 'embrace' the change than to fight it.
That's why I voted yes on the poll. Jump shots in 1 pocket are a lot more critical than other games, and controlling the cue ball still even more important.
Cue extenders, IMO, should not even be a part of this discussion. There is nothing wrong with them anytime, for any game.
are there any other games???
I believe under current BCA Rules Extenders are allowed, and Jumping only with a Playing Cue is allowed in ONE HOLE.
Should Predator or other mechanically enhanced shafts be allowed in any games??. The answer is yes because I can use one also if I wanted to. It's the same with jump sticks or extenders. If you can't beat em, join em.
Tommyt........proudly uses both to deflate my opponents
Tommyt........proudly uses both to deflate my opponents
jump cues = no
extenders = yes
extenders = yes
I'd rather be eaten by a goat and shit off of a cliff before using a cue extender. Using jump cues and extensions compromises the spirit of the game (1 pocket and 14.1). I'm all for innovation and technology advancements ie. Aramith balls vs. ivory and LD shafts vs. conventional shafts. Where do you draw the line. Maybe I'll bring a pair of clown shoes with me so I can keep one toe in contact with the floor.
Those is some mighty strong words son. The clown shoes would be a good fit for you.
TommyT.........uses any advantage available to win
What does one have to do with the other?
Folks:
Someone educate me where my knowledge is lacking, but what does one (jump cue) have to do with the other (cue extender)? One is used to get the cue ball to jump over an obstructing ball, the other is used to help the player reach shots. Two entirely different problems, addressed by two entirely different products.
This poll seems like an "all or nothing" poll -- meaning, whether jump cues should be allowed or not is directly proportional to whether cue extenders should be used. Or, worded differently, "if jump cues should be disallowed, so should cue extenders." What the ...?
This poll would've been better served with a multitude of choices beyond just "yes" and "no." E.g.:
( ) Disallow both jump cues and cue extenders
( ) Disallow jump cues but allow cue extenders
( ) Allow jump cues but disallow cue extenders
( ) Allow both jump cues and cue extenders
But, as posted, this pool seems to lump jump cues and cue extenders together in the same "bad, bad box," raising the question of the usefulness of the poll's data. Sorry, but I'll pass on this poll.
-Sean
Folks:
Someone educate me where my knowledge is lacking, but what does one (jump cue) have to do with the other (cue extender)? One is used to get the cue ball to jump over an obstructing ball, the other is used to help the player reach shots. Two entirely different problems, addressed by two entirely different products.
This poll seems like an "all or nothing" poll -- meaning, whether jump cues should be allowed or not is directly proportional to whether cue extenders should be used. Or, worded differently, "if jump cues should be disallowed, so should cue extenders." What the ...?
This poll would've been better served with a multitude of choices beyond just "yes" and "no." E.g.:
( ) Disallow both jump cues and cue extenders
( ) Disallow jump cues but allow cue extenders
( ) Allow jump cues but disallow cue extenders
( ) Allow both jump cues and cue extenders
But, as posted, this pool seems to lump jump cues and cue extenders together in the same "bad, bad box," raising the question of the usefulness of the poll's data. Sorry, but I'll pass on this poll.
-Sean
You got it right Sean. My intention is to group these two devices as being outside the "spirit of the game" when playing 14.1 and 1 pocket. I'm not saying they are "bad" either. I just think that there is a place for them, along with the break cue, in other cue sports. BTW, I'm not even thinking about snooker or 3C. IMO, they severely detract from those two games.
Paul
Can definitely understand jump cues, but cue extenders?
Paul:
I can certainly understand jump cues. In fact, if I see someone even attempt to use one in a game of straight pool or one hole, "I'd like to play him/her some." (You know what I mean.)
Jump cues have no place in straight pool or one hole. Unlike rotation games (where there is one and only one object ball on the table at any given time), straight pool and one pocket have multiple object balls -- there should NEVER be a need to have to jump over a ball -- it's just plain silly.
However, cue extenders? Really? How does this device "detract" from the spirit of the game? In fact, using a cue extender with any kind of skill can be challenging in itself, since often, one has to use a very long open bridge (probably very close to the joint) and has to concentrate on maintaining a straight stroke under these adverse conditions. Is a mechanical bridge better under these conditions? Probably. I'll admit, I keep a cue extender in my case. But I also admit I'm a switch-hitter, and don't use the cue extender all that often (seldom, in fact). The only times I have to use it, would be when I have a tough cut shot down table, about middle diamond, cue ball on the center line of the table, shooting towards that middle diamond (where it doesn't matter if I'm shooting righty or lefty -- it's too far "into" the middle of the table). Once in a great while, I'll pull the cue extender out for this purpose if I don't have to shoot over a ball. If I do have to shoot over a ball, I'll use the mechanical bridge. I have a little bit of a snooker background, so I'm quite adept at using the mechanical bridge. But I'll admit, I have greater speed control with the cue extender, because the cue is contacting my hand -- greater opportunity for "feel."
Anyway, that's my thoughts on this. I disagree with disallowing cue extenders, since cue extenders *are* allowed in the great game of snooker, and you'll see them used all the time by the greats -- oftentimes in tandem with mechanical bridges. I just don't see the harm in them -- how in the world do they "detract" from the game?
-Sean
Paul:
I can certainly understand jump cues. In fact, if I see someone even attempt to use one in a game of straight pool or one hole, "I'd like to play him/her some." (You know what I mean.)
Jump cues have no place in straight pool or one hole. Unlike rotation games (where there is one and only one object ball on the table at any given time), straight pool and one pocket have multiple object balls -- there should NEVER be a need to have to jump over a ball -- it's just plain silly.
However, cue extenders? Really? How does this device "detract" from the spirit of the game? In fact, using a cue extender with any kind of skill can be challenging in itself, since often, one has to use a very long open bridge (probably very close to the joint) and has to concentrate on maintaining a straight stroke under these adverse conditions. Is a mechanical bridge better under these conditions? Probably. I'll admit, I keep a cue extender in my case. But I also admit I'm a switch-hitter, and don't use the cue extender all that often (seldom, in fact). The only times I have to use it, would be when I have a tough cut shot down table, about middle diamond, cue ball on the center line of the table, shooting towards that middle diamond (where it doesn't matter if I'm shooting righty or lefty -- it's too far "into" the middle of the table). Once in a great while, I'll pull the cue extender out for this purpose if I don't have to shoot over a ball. If I do have to shoot over a ball, I'll use the mechanical bridge. I have a little bit of a snooker background, so I'm quite adept at using the mechanical bridge. But I'll admit, I have greater speed control with the cue extender, because the cue is contacting my hand -- greater opportunity for "feel."
Anyway, that's my thoughts on this. I disagree with disallowing cue extenders, since cue extenders *are* allowed in the great game of snooker, and you'll see them used all the time by the greats -- oftentimes in tandem with mechanical bridges. I just don't see the harm in them -- how in the world do they "detract" from the game?
-Sean
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