triangle end pattern

wigglybridge

wigglybridge

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ok, everybody talks about "the triangle end pattern". but nobody says what they mean in unambiguous language.

since Any 3 balls make a triangle, saying look for The Triangle End Pattern is meaningless unless it's a special class of triangles, or there's some other defining characteristic. there's even commentators on some of the videos i've bought who acknowledge this, but then never say what it Does mean, what Do you look for?

do y'all mean a Right triangle? a triangle where any 2 of the balls make a straight line to pockets -- a triangle that can be finished with stop shots? something else altogether? all of the above?

there are many special case triangles that are common and useful, but i don't see anything that they have in common or that make them different from other triangles except for pocket alignment between the key-to-the-key and the key ball (Sometimes!), so i feel like i'm missing the point.

it sounds like everybody means something by this, but it's so nebulous that it sounds like the stock market advice to buy low, sell high.
 
Hi my friend :)

i didn t find the orignal link- tried about an hour or so....so i uploaded it myself. A simple and in my opinion very good examples!

BlackJack has made a nice additional video about this *triangle* stuff about endpattern in straight-pool about these *triangle*. It was amazingly how understandable BlackJack explained it in his video-and im very sure. that he will post this link soon after reading this here. After a browser update i lost about 300 bookmarks with billiards-stuff.

here is *my* file. thanks to the guy, who uploaded this long ago-Don t know who it was:

http://www.file-upload.net/download-3529814/tomKollinsbreakshots.pdf.html

Hope this is the stuff you re searching for-and have fun studying it:).

Furthermore a file Steve Lipsky uploaded a bit ago- perhaps not exactly what depending on your topic, but also excellent 14.1 stuff.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-3529817/Lipsky14_1.pdf.html

lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
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Hi my friend :)

i didn t find the orignal link- tried about an hour or so....so i uploaded it myself. A simple and in my opinion very good examples!

BlackJack has made a nice additional video about this *triangle* stuff about endpattern in straight-pool about these *triangle*. It was amazingly how understandable BlackJack explained it in his video-and im very sure. that he will post this link soon after reading this here. After a browser update i lost about 300 bookmarks with billiards-stuff.

here is *my* file. thanks to the guy, who uploaded this long ago-Don t know who it was:

http://www.file-upload.net/download-3529814/tomKollinsbreakshots.pdf.html

Hope this is the stuff you re searching for-and have fun studying it:).

Furthermore a file Steve Lipsky uploaded a bit ago- perhaps not exactly what depending on your topic, but also excellent 14.1 stuff.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-3529817/Lipsky14_1.pdf.html

lg from overseas,

Ingo
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Here is the cuetable of the Lipsky break balls in order of preference:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=173678&highlight=break+shots


I uploaded the Kollins pdf. Rikdee of this forum gave it to me. It is from a class that Tom Kollins gave on straight pool many moons ago. Bobby Hunter was at one of those classes. I gave him a copy of Tom's pdf which Bobby then used at a 14.1 seminar he gave.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=109356&highlight=Kollins
 

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Thank you Dennis,

i lost almost all bookmarks by upgrading to a newer version of my browser.....- thx for your help :-)

lg
Ingo
 
wow. thanks for all the great information!!!

i think i understand a little better now. and i found a great video by BlackJack that for some reason i've never seen, on Youtube, Add a Ball End Pattern Sequence Drill, that will be really, Really helpful for someone like me who doesn't seem to be able to put into practice what i've read about while actually playing through a rack.

Ingo: couldn't unfortunately see the pdf's you posted. the links either take me to a promo in German that i can't unfortunately read, or download a Windows .exe file which doesn't mean much on a Mac!

Dennis: thank you so much for the Kollins pdf!!!

would really love to see the stuff Bluepepper posted from that Great thread Vahmurka retrieved, but it's all in Cuetable, which i can't use. the rest of the thread was hugely informative, though!

thanks to BlackJack again for some of the conversions of Cuetable charts. it's hard to be "out of the loop" on so many charts.
 
Hey Bob, why can't you see the "cuetable" stuff? I think it would require either a flash or shockwave add-on be downloaded, but beyond that, there shouldn't be a problem.
 
Hm,

Sorry Wiggley- didn t know you re usinig a Mac. And further i used this upload service the first time. Next time i ll upload it to my webspace-then it will work for sure :)

lg and have fun with it,

Ingo
 
3andstop: this was in another thread, but i'll try to summarize.

Cuetable/Shockwave hangs Safari *big-time*, and even more evil, when you restart Safari, if like me you live and die on the web and have skeighty-eight windows and tabs open that are Important, and you try to re-load them... well, guess what? Shockwave kills you again. yes, i have FF, but you can't just load the plugin for FF, it applies across all browsers. so the next time you use Safari and stumble on a page with Shockwave... Adobe == bad.

i'm not a Linux guy, but i understand there's issues there, too, so it ain't just Macs.

as far as "everyday addons" well, Cuetable is the Only thing i've ever needed Shockwave for, and i'm Not a lightweight (former developer on both PCs and Macs). but let's not divert the thread into that whole thing, eh?
 
i think that exercise of BlackJack's is the thing i really need, to beat into my stupid head that "no, this is really important, Do this".

in fact, probably instead of starting each session with a break shot, i should start with 5-6 balls thrown out and try to make an end pattern out of them. since this is the part i Always Screw Up!
 
wigglybridge said:
i think that exercise of BlackJack's is the thing i really need, to beat into my stupid head that "no, this is really important, Do this".

in fact, probably instead of starting each session with a break shot, i should start with 5-6 balls thrown out and try to make an end pattern out of them. since this is the part i Always Screw Up!
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Blackjack has a lot of good stuff out there to help us nitwits get better, :grin-square:, present company excepted, of course. For a great player, BJ has a heckuva lot of good advice and good videos for us guys. Do a search.

As for throwing some balls out there, I heard that Dallas West did something like that for a long time. 3 balls and make a break shot out of it. I think 5 or 6 is probably better and I think it would be good practice for a critical part of big runs.
 
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so how late in the rack do you wait to choose the end pattern?

sounds like Schmidt sees his right away, but i'm guessing that wouldn't work for mediocre position players like me. even Knowing i'm not supposed to crash into those balls, i still will. otoh, killing off the key and key-to-key early doesn't sound like a formula for success, either!
 
wigglybridge said:
so how late in the rack do you wait to choose the end pattern?

sounds like Schmidt sees his right away, but i'm guessing that wouldn't work for mediocre position players like me. even Knowing i'm not supposed to crash into those balls, i still will. otoh, killing off the key and key-to-key early doesn't sound like a formula for success, either!
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Good question. At my skill level while I am always looking for potential break and key balls, I probably don't really pay too much (probably not enough) attention to the end pattern until I'm through moving balls or dealing with clusters and problems. Sometimes on fairly straight forward moves where I can pretty accurately see where the balls are going I can identify a possible end pattern earlier, but this is about as good as it gets for me. :embarrassed2:
 
wigglybridge said:
so how late in the rack do you wait to choose the end pattern?

sounds like Schmidt sees his right away, but i'm guessing that wouldn't work for mediocre position players like me. even Knowing i'm not supposed to crash into those balls, i still will. otoh, killing off the key and key-to-key early doesn't sound like a formula for success, either!
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A lot of times it isn't as hard as you might think. Often after breaking the rack I will have a key ball in the general vicinity of the side pocket, and then there will be 1,2 or 3 balls along the opposite long rail. If you leave these balls for last then you can shoot them in the near corner pocket or side pocket, and then you'll be in shape to roll over to pocket the key ball in the other side pocket. So just shoot in everything except these balls!

Yeah, it's easier said than done for me, too.

Dan
 
wigglybridge said:
in fact, probably instead of starting each session with a break shot, i should start with 5-6 balls thrown out and try to make an end pattern out of them. since this is the part i Always Screw Up!
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Bob,

this is a great idea. i often do this at the start of a session, i throw out like 7 balls but i keep them within the 4 lower pockets. this way i feel as though as i have earned the breakshot. and it seems as though as i have a higher success rate at a better run !!!

-Steve
 
stevekur1 said:
Bob,

this is a great idea. i often do this at the start of a session, i throw out like 7 balls but i keep them within the 4 lower pockets. this way i feel as though as i have earned the breakshot. and it seems as though as i have a higher success rate at a better run !!!

-Steve
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I do this as well. Though I've gotten out of the habit lately.

My 14.1 practice session usually involves practicing some end patterns, 30 long straight in pots and then practicing potting balls down table (cueball behind the spot). The latter is very helpful also because it can make all the difference in a difficult pattern.

I try and pick out my pattern once I have everything open (which can be anywhere from 14 balls on the table to 3 or 4). I have to stay vigilant in doing this, I have a bad habit of free wheeling before I should.
 
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