Found action, Got drilled, want more action

dannyb78

dannyb78

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If everyone hasn't heard already Matt Clatterbuck went to Detroit over this past weekend and got drilled by Ronnie Wiseman... They played even. A 12 ahead for $8000.00... That is a 11 hour drive from Virginia... Over all it was a terrible experiance...BUT BUT wait a minute... Matts stake horses have said they have not had enough punishment... They want more action... Except this time they want someone to come to Maryland and match up.... Dates are very flexable... By the way dont critique my spelling.. I sell boats for a living... LOL. Dates that would work are
JULY 13-14-15. Those are open dates for action.... Cambridge, Maryland.
At Great Slates... Sets can be played on 7 foot or 9 foot tables.. The bet can be from $5000.00 to $10,000.00 pending on the game.... Were are not calling anyone out... We are looking for a fair game and bet it up... Also the weekend of July 14-15.. There is a bar table tournament.
1st $2000.00
2nd $1000.00
3rd $500.00
4th $300.00
5th-6th $175.00
And so forth
Plus we always have a huge clacutta that pays as much as the Tournamet
Lots of money floating around
We have conformation from
Matt Clatterbuck
Ryan Mcreesh
Shawn Wilkie
Matt Krah
Kevin West
Brandon Shuff
Larry Nevel
Derek Lenord
Thats to name a few... Lots of action.... Lets get a game togther...
 
Matt is coming to our state 9-ball championship tourney July 21&22. COuld be some great action here in WV at Strokerz!
 
dannyb78 said:
JULY 13-14-15. Those are open dates for action.... Cambridge, Maryland.
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It is good to know that there are others that do buisiness like I do preferably by scheduling apointments .:cool:
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some thoughts!

I have watched Matt play and Ronnie, I surely thought Matt could have found easier action then Ronnie. Plus, playing in his room with triple shimmed pockets was clearly to his disadvantage! But, the only advantage Matt had was youth, given he is mid twenties and Ronnie is mid 40's or late 30's. To stop that night at 4 ahead, negated Matt's only advantage! Plus, if he smoked Ronnie he killed his action for life!

I know a personal friend that lost 40 thousand playing pool and he was not the same after! Each loss scar's you and chips away at your confidence. The above mistakes really can hurt this young talent. You really need to set up a strategy and stick to it.

Example: he is youth ful and his endurance is great so place him in long ahead sets that lean the advantage his way. Play that, you dont stop till someone wins! Play people that have less endurance or are over weight example kid delicious and etc.

play ten ball to neutralize some rack mechanics. Ronnie is a great racker he learned from Paguylion and Keith McCready learned the hard way when they designated breakers and keith choose big bubba and and ronnie picked little old pagalion to break for him. Needless to say, bubba was not making a ball every break and alex was!!!!

Play on sloppy tables if that's what he plays on COMPETITIVELYat tiger planet pool events. Going to the triple shimmed tables was defintily a bad move because that room has been triple shimmed for ten plus years and they play COMPETITIVELY there all the time.

Plus, getting weight was surely availbe from ronnie given his room and reputation. Matt is fairly new to the pool scene and a spot certainly would not have been out of line!!

But, these are just some thoughts from and old fart regarding gambling theory and strategy. Who ever is steering him really needs to think about these things.

Another strategy is if Matt is techincally superior but fades later in match play then move to Race format and stay away from endurance situations. Race format is planet pools set up with races to 9 or 7 and that is the scenario he is most familiar with! I never seen an ahead set in his area in years!!

Plus, money management was poor to tie so much money in the first set and not play smaller to start and escalate if he is comfortable in his environment.

Kid
Dynomite
 
Kid D,

Excellent post.

In terms of a young player venturing out of his element, Matt is a prime example. He is a player on the rise and a tremendous talent with a lot of heart. The young lion playing a long time gambling pro with several recent tournament finishes/big time action scores.

No doubt about the experience. Ronnie is a pro player - all his effort is focused on pool. Pool has been his job 24-7 for decades.

Okay then, Matt has his backers and a lot of momentum. What the hell went wrong?

Matt definitely ventured into deep waters by playing RW on his home court, on an unfamiliar table, for a bunch of dough right off jump street, and he had to fade a strong home town crowd... I understand he also has a regular job, and with that come the monthly bills. The matchup is not exactly equal when considering the separate circumstances.

I don't have a dawg in the fight, but suggest you regroup young man and play on your terms. Good luck and may the rolls be with you.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
I have watched Matt play and Ronnie, I surely thought Matt could have found easier action then Ronnie. Plus, playing in his room with triple shimmed pockets was clearly to his disadvantage! But, the only advantage Matt had was youth, given he is mid twenties and Ronnie is mid 40's or late 30's. To stop that night at 4 ahead, negated Matt's only advantage! Plus, if he smoked Ronnie he killed his action for life!

I know a personal friend that lost 40 thousand playing pool and he was not the same after! Each loss scar's you and chips away at your confidence. The above mistakes really can hurt this young talent. You really need to set up a strategy and stick to it.

Example: he is youth ful and his endurance is great so place him in long ahead sets that lean the advantage his way. Play that, you dont stop till someone wins! Play people that have less endurance or are over weight example kid delicious and etc.

play ten ball to neutralize some rack mechanics. Ronnie is a great racker he learned from Paguylion and Keith McCready learned the hard way when they designated breakers and keith choose big bubba and and ronnie picked little old pagalion to break for him. Needless to say, bubba was not making a ball every break and alex was!!!!

Play on sloppy tables if that's what he plays on COMPETITIVELYat tiger planet pool events. Going to the triple shimmed tables was defintily a bad move because that room has been triple shimmed for ten plus years and they play COMPETITIVELY there all the time.

Plus, getting weight was surely availbe from ronnie given his room and reputation. Matt is fairly new to the pool scene and a spot certainly would not have been out of line!!

But, these are just some thoughts from and old fart regarding gambling theory and strategy. Who ever is steering him really needs to think about these things.

Another strategy is if Matt is techincally superior but fades later in match play then move to Race format and stay away from endurance situations. Race format is planet pools set up with races to 9 or 7 and that is the scenario he is most familiar with! I never seen an ahead set in his area in years!!

Plus, money management was poor to tie so much money in the first set and not play smaller to start and escalate if he is comfortable in his environment.

Kid
Dynomite
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Sounds to me like Ronnie out managed and ultimately outplayed Matt. My hats off to the old warhorse. Something to be said for experience, and Ronnie plays his heart out for the money. Always has.
 
good point, but

Kid Dynomite said:
I have watched Matt play and Ronnie, I surely thought Matt could have found easier action then Ronnie. Plus, playing in his room with triple shimmed pockets was clearly to his disadvantage! But, the only advantage Matt had was youth, given he is mid twenties and Ronnie is mid 40's or late 30's. To stop that night at 4 ahead, negated Matt's only advantage! Plus, if he smoked Ronnie he killed his action for life!

I know a personal friend that lost 40 thousand playing pool and he was not the same after! Each loss scar's you and chips away at your confidence. The above mistakes really can hurt this young talent. You really need to set up a strategy and stick to it.

Example: he is youth ful and his endurance is great so place him in long ahead sets that lean the advantage his way. Play that, you dont stop till someone wins! Play people that have less endurance or are over weight example kid delicious and etc.

play ten ball to neutralize some rack mechanics. Ronnie is a great racker he learned from Paguylion and Keith McCready learned the hard way when they designated breakers and keith choose big bubba and and ronnie picked little old pagalion to break for him. Needless to say, bubba was not making a ball every break and alex was!!!!

Play on sloppy tables if that's what he plays on COMPETITIVELYat tiger planet pool events. Going to the triple shimmed tables was defintily a bad move because that room has been triple shimmed for ten plus years and they play COMPETITIVELY there all the time.

Plus, getting weight was surely availbe from ronnie given his room and reputation. Matt is fairly new to the pool scene and a spot certainly would not have been out of line!!

But, these are just some thoughts from and old fart regarding gambling theory and strategy. Who ever is steering him really needs to think about these things.

Another strategy is if Matt is techincally superior but fades later in match play then move to Race format and stay away from endurance situations. Race format is planet pools set up with races to 9 or 7 and that is the scenario he is most familiar with! I never seen an ahead set in his area in years!!

Plus, money management was poor to tie so much money in the first set and not play smaller to start and escalate if he is comfortable in his environment.

Kid
Dynomite
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Alot of what you have said makes since... But you dont have all the facts.. Starters Matt has been on a winning streak.. So him and his backers were pumped up.... Ronnie W. is one of the biggest scores around. So they took a shot... I am not saying they could not have picked something easier, but $8000.00 was a good price... We could have won alot more than that if Matt won.... Matt lost... Thats pool.. We are now back to the drawing board. Thats what this post is supposed to be about...
 
kid plays good no doubt about it .

i watched him and adam smith at valley forge. matt killed him. after they finished and the post match woofing started back up matt told adam his wife would let him quit his job if adam would play him once a month.....i was friggin rollin.......
 
I was there to watch the match, Ronnie wasn't on stroke on Sat. but was playing great on Sun. His experience came into play on Sun. Matt dogged a couple of balls that put him on Tilt, and Ronnie just used his safety play to wrap it up. Matt's group were great to gamble with, even tho they were losing, all seemed like good people. But Sunday you could see that Matt was just out classed. Ronnie can get the money when he is on stroke, is hard to beat at Hall of Fame. But he will take tough games, that is why people like to gamble with him, he doesn't always win. Ronnie was drinking water, Matt drinking beer, I guess needed to take the edge off, but I think that might take its toll also.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
play ten ball to neutralize some rack mechanics. Ronnie is a great racker he learned from Paguylion and Keith McCready learned the hard way when they designated breakers and keith choose big bubba and and ronnie picked little old pagalion to break for him. Needless to say, bubba was not making a ball every break and alex was!!!!
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Just to set the record straight, Big Jerry never got a chance to break and remained benched the entire match. I was there and witnessed the entire match, sitting right next to "Bubba."

My trip report of the 2003 Carolinas Open held at Fast Eddies in Goldsboro, NC, has a link in the upper left-hand side about this match-up between Keith and Ronnie, with Big Jerry breaking for Keith and Alex breaking for Ronnie.

JAM's pictures from 2003 Carolinas Open: http://hometown.aol.com/jamalloy/carolinasopen2003.html

Kid Dynomite said:
Play on sloppy tables if that's what he plays on COMPETITIVELYat tiger planet pool events. Going to the triple shimmed tables was defintily a bad move because that room has been triple shimmed for ten plus years and they play COMPETITIVELY there all the time.
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Matt is a great young player, and I have seen him on several occasions in action. I think Matt's expertise is stronger on the bar box than the 9-footer.

Ronnie's expertise is that he can play all games on any equipment. When I heard about this match-up, I liked Ronnie's end of it. He's just a bit more seasoned than Matt when it comes to action.

Again, before I get slammed on this forum, I'm not taking anything away from Matt's game. I just think Ronnie's got the best of it. JMHO, FWIW.

JAM
 
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JAM said:
Ronnie's expertise is that he can play all games on any equipment. When I heard about this match-up, I liked Ronnie's end of it. He's just a bit more seasoned than Matt when it comes to action.
JAM
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I like Matt, and I think he's a great player and an honest guy, but I too thought Ronnie was the favorite and told Matt in Hagerstown the week before when the match was set up over the phone.

I don't know why people think Matt is better on the barbox. I guess it's just because most people see him only at Valley Forge. But in reality, that's the only time of year that matt actually plays on the barbox. in front royal, where he's from, the tables are all 9-footers.
 
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