Guess I'll Do A BCAPL Thread / Recap As Well

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Since others have done trip reports from the perspective of a Pro (Lou) and a fan (SJM), I thought I would do one from the BCAPL player side.

After a few days in Vega$, enjoying the city with a night of partying, a day at the pool and a dinner at Michael's @ Southpointe (if you ever want to impress - propose - keep happy a girl, take her here). Five star dining at it's best. It's off the strip but worth the drive. You just have to make your way thru all the locals in their tank tops and jean shorts in the casino to the back to the restaurant.

In the open singles, I got 65-96 place out of 1080 or so. Good to feel the pressure of pool again. I lost to Chad Bennke (he should've been a master player just by his last name :) ) and some guy from Alaska (I can never beat the guys that live out in the middle of no where and do nothing but play pool). I figure Chad plays more pool in a day then I play in a year. He deserves to win. I was safety breaking him and out moving him, he just executes better than me when he has to. 17-24 in Open Teams. We had a good run til the end. Lost to a team from Idaho (again people that live in the middle of no where with nothing better to do than play pool). It was fun playing with a bunch of great guys on our team.

Here's what I love --

the text messaging feature at the BCAPL now to let you know your next match. Nice to read - Congratulations you won. You play again at 7:30 on table 129. Seemed a little faulty at times as for one match I got literally 9 messages in 5 minutes reminding me my match was going to start.

the new venue. Food in the Rio was great. Ate breakfast at the Sau Paulo Cafe twice. No more waiting 30 minutes to just sit down at an empty table that has been there for 30 minutes like Kady's at the Riv. Ate at an Italian place upstairs that was better than average. Good service. Lunch at the sports book deli, also very good. Dinner at the VooDoo steakhouse. Excellent steak with even a better view of the Vega$ strip. I'd go here on my next trip to Vega$ even if it wasn't pool related.
Center bar was a good meeting spot and comfortable to sit at. Not like the Riv where the bartender didn't care you were there and you had about 2 feet between you and a railing to stand.

setup was good - I figured the convention center would be way in the back but it wasn't that bad of a walk. Three distinct rooms. Plenty of signs put out by the CSI staff to let you know what was where. I liked the images of the players as you walked down the corridor. There was no Robin Dodson's husband bellowing out - "raffle tickets for a jump cue. 5 tickets. $20 a piece. One winner" - every 40 minutes right in the middle of the tournament room. This was a big bonus.

Plenty of free interaction for the fans - Dr. Cue (although I don't need to hear that Jesus loves me because I can do a trick shot), Mike Massey, SVB and Orcullo (and I'm sure others) did free clinics/lessons, Jennifer Berreta.

Standard affair of booths - good to see friends such as Michael Hoang. If you don;t buy from him you are missing out. I liked the ACA region. Was good to see Travis (Blackcreek) and Andy Gilbert (even if he didn't remember me which he will never forget me again). Josh Treadway (a real up and comer cue maker) and this guy Robertson from Texas had some nice cues.

The pro arena right there for everyone to see with free admission to watch any match at any time.

here's what I dislike or think could be improved-

More spectator seating around the pro arena. The stands were full most of the time. More people could have enjoyed the pros if there were bleachers on more sides of the tables. Space may have been an issue so move the trick shot / 14.1 competition to one of the side rooms or out in the main foyer.

The refs - I saw them stand on the wrong side of the table to call hits, multiple times. I saw them more worried that someone was practicing and on their cell phone then they were on the action on the 'live' tables. I know of one player that was forfeited two games because he had a one inch rip in his jeans. I fouled on a break shot by barely hitting the cue ball on a practice stroke. My opponent called the ref to just clarify it was a foul. The ref's first question to me was "did the cue ball pass the head string", which it did not. Then he asked if I hit the cue ball with the tip of my cue, which it did. He called it correctly as a foul but why on earth he asked if the cue ball passed the head string was unknown to me.

Female players - ok crucify me but they are much more mean spirited than any man. Have been for years. I took a piece of chalk off a table that I thought the match was over with as the table had been empty for over 5 minutes. I guess one of the women was on her third potty break and she let me have it when she got back. I just stood there and laughed.

Diamond bar tables - just kidding. These are great tables but there are none in St Louis. We are at a huge disadvantage. Mark G or Greg - please use some marketing to get at least one table in St. Louis. My basement will work if the price is right. You know how to contact me.

Skittle colored balls. More of a distraction than any benefit I could see.

The center bar did close one night in the casino kind of early. Guess they hate money when you can pay a bartender's salary by him serving one drink an hour.

Vega$ in July. It's hotter than hot.

Waiting 24 hours to get paid. Guess I need to understand the entire process and obviously appreciate that BCAPL check ALWAYS cash but this was the longest time ever having to wait. I would thnk with computers, etc. that this could be controlled better. Especially if you are knocked out of the singles you might not come back over to the RIo if not staying there for 2 or 3 more days.

The match scheduling. I would have to take a closer look as it will probably be explained to me that I don't understand - but I dont understand that if you make it to the final bracket of an event, you are basically playing non stop from the morning til the night. A fat guy has got to eat.

Oh yeah, I found some of the team names offensive.

That's all. I'll be back next year for sure.

Thanks to JCIN for letting me sit in and do a little commentary on 3 of the matches. I had a blast and ready to do some more when needed. TAR is the best to me. Support them. Buy a stream. Buy a VOD. Buy a SVB DVD. People need to see what goes into all of it to truly appreciate what their crew does.
 
I heard you in the booth. I was watching a match while in my room, you were pretty good on the mic. Nice job :)
 
Hi Steve,

Nice job. Any time you finish in the top 10% of any event, you've played very well. It seems the level of play across the board at the Nationals was up from past years. Don't know either of the players you lost to but .... your level of play must have been awfully good! Congratulations. Incidentally, you missed the somewhat "dreaded" entry into the Advanced division.

Hope your recent illness didn't hinder your play in any way. Between the heat, the storms and the level of play, this was a really challenging year. Glad you made it!

Lyn
 
Since others have done trip reports from the perspective of a Pro (Lou) and a fan (SJM), I thought I would do one from the BCAPL player side.

After a few days in Vega$, enjoying the city with a night of partying, a day at the pool and a dinner at Michael's @ Southpointe (if you ever want to impress - propose - keep happy a girl, take her here). Five star dining at it's best. It's off the strip but worth the drive. You just have to make your way thru all the locals in their tank tops and jean shorts in the casino to the back to the restaurant.

In the open singles, I got 65-96 place out of 1080 or so. Good to feel the pressure of pool again. I lost to Chad Bennke (he should've been a master player just by his last name :) ) and some guy from Alaska (I can never beat the guys that live out in the middle of no where and do nothing but play pool). I figure Chad plays more pool in a day then I play in a year. He deserves to win. I was safety breaking him and out moving him, he just executes better than me when he has to. 17-24 in Open Teams. We had a good run til the end. Lost to a team from Idaho (again people that live in the middle of no where with nothing better to do than play pool). It was fun playing with a bunch of great guys on our team.

Here's what I love --

the text messaging feature at the BCAPL now to let you know your next match. Nice to read - Congratulations you won. You play again at 7:30 on table 129. Seemed a little faulty at times as for one match I got literally 9 messages in 5 minutes reminding me my match was going to start.

the new venue. Food in the Rio was great. Ate breakfast at the Sau Paulo Cafe twice. No more waiting 30 minutes to just sit down at an empty table that has been there for 30 minutes like Kady's at the Riv. Ate at an Italian place upstairs that was better than average. Good service. Lunch at the sports book deli, also very good. Dinner at the VooDoo steakhouse. Excellent steak with even a better view of the Vega$ strip. I'd go here on my next trip to Vega$ even if it wasn't pool related.
Center bar was a good meeting spot and comfortable to sit at. Not like the Riv where the bartender didn't care you were there and you had about 2 feet between you and a railing to stand.

setup was good - I figured the convention center would be way in the back but it wasn't that bad of a walk. Three distinct rooms. Plenty of signs put out by the CSI staff to let you know what was where. I liked the images of the players as you walked down the corridor. There was no Robin Dodson's husband bellowing out - "raffle tickets for a jump cue. 5 tickets. $20 a piece. One winner" - every 40 minutes right in the middle of the tournament room. This was a big bonus.

Plenty of free interaction for the fans - Dr. Cue (although I don't need to hear that Jesus loves me because I can do a trick shot), Mike Massey, SVB and Orcullo (and I'm sure others) did free clinics/lessons, Jennifer Berreta.

Standard affair of booths - good to see friends such as Michael Hoang. If you don;t buy from him you are missing out. I liked the ACA region. Was good to see Travis (Blackcreek) and Andy Gilbert (even if he didn't remember me which he will never forget me again). Josh Treadway (a real up and comer cue maker) and this guy Robertson from Texas had some nice cues.

The pro arena right there for everyone to see with free admission to watch any match at any time.

here's what I dislike or think could be improved-

More spectator seating around the pro arena. The stands were full most of the time. More people could have enjoyed the pros if there were bleachers on more sides of the tables. Space may have been an issue so move the trick shot / 14.1 competition to one of the side rooms or out in the main foyer.

The refs - I saw them stand on the wrong side of the table to call hits, multiple times. I saw them more worried that someone was practicing and on their cell phone then they were on the action on the 'live' tables. I know of one player that was forfeited two games because he had a one inch rip in his jeans. I fouled on a break shot by barely hitting the cue ball on a practice stroke. My opponent called the ref to just clarify it was a foul. The ref's first question to me was "did the cue ball pass the head string", which it did not. Then he asked if I hit the cue ball with the tip of my cue, which it did. He called it correctly as a foul but why on earth he asked if the cue ball passed the head string was unknown to me.

Female players - ok crucify me but they are much more mean spirited than any man. Have been for years. I took a piece of chalk off a table that I thought the match was over with as the table had been empty for over 5 minutes. I guess one of the women was on her third potty break and she let me have it when she got back. I just stood there and laughed.

Diamond bar tables - just kidding. These are great tables but there are none in St Louis. We are at a huge disadvantage. Mark G or Greg - please use some marketing to get at least one table in St. Louis. My basement will work if the price is right. You know how to contact me.

Skittle colored balls. More of a distraction than any benefit I could see.

The center bar did close one night in the casino kind of early. Guess they hate money when you can pay a bartender's salary by him serving one drink an hour.

Vega$ in July. It's hotter than hot.

Waiting 24 hours to get paid. Guess I need to understand the entire process and obviously appreciate that BCAPL check ALWAYS cash but this was the longest time ever having to wait. I would thnk with computers, etc. that this could be controlled better. Especially if you are knocked out of the singles you might not come back over to the RIo if not staying there for 2 or 3 more days.

The match scheduling. I would have to take a closer look as it will probably be explained to me that I don't understand - but I dont understand that if you make it to the final bracket of an event, you are basically playing non stop from the morning til the night. A fat guy has got to eat.

Oh yeah, I found some of the team names offensive.

That's all. I'll be back next year for sure.

Thanks to JCIN for letting me sit in and do a little commentary on 3 of the matches. I had a blast and ready to do some more when needed. TAR is the best to me. Support them. Buy a stream. Buy a VOD. Buy a SVB DVD. People need to see what goes into all of it to truly appreciate what their crew does.


Nice.

Seems like you did really well and know how to have good time. Thanks for the report..

Lou Figueroa
 
Sounds like you had a mostly positive experience. Pleased to hear. Thanks for sharing.
 
7 ft diamond

There is one in Hillsboro. It is my favorite table to play on by far. Congrats on the finish. I didn't know you played pool. Who was on your team?
 
South Point is actually a pretty nice property. It's got decent amenities, it's a nice layout and like you said, Micheal's ain't no joke, for eats.

I kinda hope/daydream/smoke crack to the idea of Pool tourneys being held in South Point's indoor arena ala Turning Stone.

Congrats on your finishes, sounds like you were rolling em well.


Eric
 
There is one in Hillsboro. It is my favorite table to play on by far. Congrats on the finish. I didn't know you played pool. Who was on your team?

Hillsboro is probably 1 hour 10 minutes from my house. Not real convenient. Millersburg has Diamond bar tables as well.

Oh and some of the background music in the tourney rooms was atrocious at times. Friday they were playing some kind of jazz mix that was literally putting everyone to sleep.

I'd like to see more of the free clinics - lessons that were put on. I thought those were great. Some type of schedule of it would be nice and have 20 - 30 different players put an hour or two in. Let's see who really wants to be the ambassadors of their sport.

And the action in the tourney rooms was down from previous years. Unless I missed it, really didn't have the challenge tables set up and no area where some real action might take place.
 
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nice post,

sorry i didnt make it out to see you, i caught a cold and man was i pissed. i was all set to go. I was there day one and it looked like it ewas going to be real good.

TAR is doing a great job, i didnt hear you do commentary i only watched the 1P final on TAR. JCIN is a hell of a guy,

take care

and yeah it was hot this year, i was there for 8 or 9 days before it started, wow 117 .forget that, i dont miss living in Vegas a bit.
 
Steve...You have to remember that most pro players can't teach a lick. Professional instructors were available all week...for free. You must have missed Randyg's clinics. They were going on every day. I was supposed to be there teaching as well, but had to cancel at the last minute (first time in 10 years I missed this event).

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I'd like to see more of the free clinics - lessons that were put on. I thought those were great. Some type of schedule of it would be nice and have 20 - 30 different players put an hour or two in. Let's see who really wants to be the ambassadors of their sport.
 
I saw the Drill Instructor - is that RandyG?

And you will take offense to this (even though I agree that being a pro doesn't make you a good teacher), but to be blunt for an hour long clinic/session a pro puts on is much more exciting to an amateur player than RandyG, yourself or even Mark Wilson (who is a good friend of mine). I only state Mark Wilson because I would tell the same thing to Mark with no qualms. Now if I wanted to sign up for a day long/weekend long/extended lesson then yes I would see someone with the documented history of success with players.

It also helps to put a better taste in the amateur players mouth that is now being charged a green fee with one of the perks being free admission to the pro event if he thinks he is getting something back from the pro beyond getting to watch him in a match.
 
Great report...I've played VNEA many times in Vegas but this sounds like it's a class above. I think I'll give it a go next year. Thanks!
 
South Point is actually a pretty nice property. It's got decent amenities, it's a nice layout and like you said, Micheal's ain't no joke, for eats.

I kinda hope/daydream/smoke crack to the idea of Pool tourneys being held in South Point's indoor arena ala Turning Stone.

Congrats on your finishes, sounds like you were rolling em well.


Eric

The deli in there isnt bad either and the Steak and Shake is all right for a quickie.
The other restaurants in there are good except the Mexican, forget that.

It would be a good venue if the Rio doesnt want it , they definetly have the space for it there, they sponsor part of the rodeo in December every year.
Plus its like 5 mins from my house, lol.

Whoever thought this July was hot hasnt seen it when its bad. It was bad here in June, but this July was pretty mild by what im used to.
 
Steve...You have to remember that most pro players can't teach a lick. Professional instructors were available all week...for free. You must have missed Randyg's clinics. They were going on every day. I was supposed to be there teaching as well, but had to cancel at the last minute (first time in 10 years I missed this event).

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
It would be interesting to see this theory tested.

An idea that will never happen but fun to ponder is having yourself and a top player compete to see what the results would be. One of you picke two players of equal talent and the other picks which player they teach. Each of you would have 1 player represent your team for each category, A,B,C,&D.

Both you & the pro would then give each member of your team 2 hrs of private lessons each week for a year. At the end of the year your A player would match up with their A player, B with B, etc.

I think you might be surprised with the results. Who knows I might be surprised, it would be fun to watch though.
 
I saw the Drill Instructor - is that RandyG?

And you will take offense to this (even though I agree that being a pro doesn't make you a good teacher), but to be blunt for an hour long clinic/session a pro puts on is much more exciting to an amateur player than RandyG, yourself or even Mark Wilson (who is a good friend of mine). I only state Mark Wilson because I would tell the same thing to Mark with no qualms. Now if I wanted to sign up for a day long/weekend long/extended lesson then yes I would see someone with the documented history of success with players.

It also helps to put a better taste in the amateur players mouth that is now being charged a green fee with one of the perks being free admission to the pro event if he thinks he is getting something back from the pro beyond getting to watch him in a match.


I did not see it, but Mark Griffin told me that at this event SVB and Mika had each signed up to do a 1 1/2 hour open/free lessons, for as any amateurs as they could get around a table. Don't know if it came off, or how it went, but I thought that was a pretty cool thing.

Lou Figueroa
 
I did not see it, but Mark Griffin told me that at this event SVB and Mika had each signed up to do a 1 1/2 hour open/free lessons, for as any amateurs as they could get around a table. Don't know if it came off, or how it went, but I thought that was a pretty cool thing.

Lou Figueroa

They both did it --- thought I posted that earlier in this thread. :smile: I didn't mention Mika but said 'others'
 
It would be a good venue if the Rio doesnt want it , they definetly have the space for it there, they sponsor part of the rodeo in December every year.
Plus its like 5 mins from my house, lol.

That's my thinking too. In fact, South Point would be a great "plan B", if things go sideways, with the Rio. While SP is not on the Strip, it is only about 10 minutes south of Mandalay Bay, on Las Vegas Blvd.

I'm sure Mark Griffin has spoken with the ppl at SP. I have no idea if the talks ended with a "definite maybe" or a "slim to none".


Eric
 
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