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Does anyone have any photos of some homemade finish booths? I'm looking at making one for 3-4 cues, nothing too elaborate, just to slow rotate the cues while applying the finish.

Where are some good places to buy the motor, pulleys/gears, dead centers, springs, etc.

If you prefer to keep it private, michael@zimsrack.com

Thanks,
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Does anyone have any photos of some homemade finish booths? I'm looking at making one for 3-4 cues, nothing too elaborate, just to slow rotate the cues while applying the finish.

Where are some good places to buy the motor, pulleys/gears, dead centers, springs, etc.

If you prefer to keep it private, michael@zimsrack.com

Thanks,
Zim
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Actually they are very easy to build but a little time consuming trying to explain how. Chris Hightowers book on cue-building has an example in it even with measurements for building.

You can get gear reduction motors very cheaply from here http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID=2005121521485203

I made my own pullies and centers out of .500" drill rod and 1.5" polypropelyne that I had lying around. I got springs and bearings from MSC if I remember right and used round belts from a vacume cleaner for belts.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Actually they are very easy to build but a little time consuming trying to explain how. Chris Hightowers book on cue-building has an example in it even with measurements for building.

You can get gear reduction motors very cheaply from here http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID=2005121521485203

I made my own pullies and centers out of .500" drill rod and 1.5" polypropelyne that I had lying around. I got springs and bearings from MSC if I remember right and used round belts from a vacume cleaner for belts.

Dick
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Dick,
I didn't realize that rhncue is you! I've heard good things about your work on cues from Elmer Posadas in England. He recently purchased a cue from you (Fall 2005 I think). Do you have a photo of two of your booth that you can send me? michael@zimsrack.com

Thanks,
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Dick,
I didn't realize that rhncue is you! I've heard good things about your work on cues from Elmer Posadas in England. He recently purchased a cue from you (Fall 2005 I think). Do you have a photo of two of your booth that you can send me? michael@zimsrack.com

Thanks,
Zim
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Here's a shot of mine!

Sherm
 

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Thanks Sherm! That's looks fairly simple to assemble. What are the pulleys and centers made of? Appears to be delrin or something similar!

Thanks,
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Thanks Sherm! That's looks fairly simple to assemble. What are the pulleys and centers made of? Appears to be delrin or something similar!

Thanks,
Zim
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Zim,
I used delrin for for the pulleys and the part the cue threads in to. Also the tailstocks were made of delrin with a piece of 3/8" allthread through the spindle portion to stiffen them up. I made spring loaded centered for the tailstock spindles and the bearings have set screws to adjust for longer or shorter cues. I used delrin for all the pieces that would get overspray on them so they can be cleaned off easily. I've already changed out the motor and top pulley for a chain and sprocket as I had a slipping problem. I'm getting ready to replace all of the belts & pulleys with chains and sprockets. Had one of the top belts break without my noticing it after spraying a batch of cues and had to refinish 4 of the cues with sagging clear coat on them! Don't want that to happen again!

I bought the bearings at the place Dickie placed the link from and had everything else in the shop or made from scratch.

Sherm
 
Michael Webb said:
That's a real nice set up Sherm.
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Thanks Mike! I'll try to post new pics tomorrow of the mods I just made. I removed all the belts and pulleys and changed it over to chains and sprockets. Had some slippage problems with the belts and had one of the top ones break, after spraying a coat of finish on the cues, leaving me with 4 cues to refinish with sagging clearcoat on one side! Won't have that problem again. The #35 chains work great.

Sherm
 
Is this a new unit?

cuesmith said:
Here's a shot of mine!

Sherm
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Hello Sherm, I noticed that there is no sign of residue from the spray. Is this a new rack that you are showing here? How long have you used it or one like it?

Very nice design!! Anxious to read your reply my friend.

Gene
 
cuesmith said:
Thanks Mike! I'll try to post new pics tomorrow of the mods I just made. I removed all the belts and pulleys and changed it over to chains and sprockets. Had some slippage problems with the belts and had one of the top ones break, after spraying a coat of finish on the cues, leaving me with 4 cues to refinish with sagging clearcoat on one side! Won't have that problem again. The #35 chains work great.

Sherm
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Are you using UV or clearcoat urethane.
 
Michael Webb said:
Are you using UV or clearcoat urethane.
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Mike,
I'm doing a 3 stage finish.
1) 2 part Axon Insulator (kinda like a clear primer that makes the finishes stick equally well on all materials. Also keeps oily woods like cocobolo from bleeding onto the adjoining pieces)
2) UV Clearcoat as a build up sealer. As many coats as needed to fill every pore and "suck hole", then I sand it good and flat.
3) Automotive urethane clearcoat, 2-3 coats. This give it the gloss and buffs easily. I use the "rack" on steps 1 & 3 and my UV setup, which does them one at a time for step #2.

Sounds involved, but it works better than anything else I've tried over the last 25 years!

Sherm
 
Cuedog said:
Hello Sherm, I noticed that there is no sign of residue from the spray. Is this a new rack that you are showing here? How long have you used it or one like it?

Very nice design!! Anxious to read your reply my friend.

Gene
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Gene, I took this pic as I was originally finishing it up. I'll post some more pics tomorrow with the mods and even though I've sprayed about 50 cues on it, there's not much residue with the hvlp jam gun I'm using. Most of the finish ends up on the cue.

Sherm
 
Sherm and other's with similar setups: Don't you guys worry about arcing from the motor causing explosion hazards with solvent based paints? I've read so much on the topic saying you need non-arcing motors (induction motors instead of brush motors), switches sealed with rubber, etc. On the other hand, I've had guys who work in auto shops tell me they did everything the "dangerous way" (smoke while spraying, non-explosion proof booths, etc.) and never had a problem.

I wonder how real the danger actually is when spraying solvent based paints without TOTALLY explosion proof setups.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Sherm and other's with similar setups: Don't you guys worry about arcing from the motor causing explosion hazards with solvent based paints? I've read so much on the topic saying you need non-arcing motors (induction motors instead of brush motors), switches sealed with rubber, etc. On the other hand, I've had guys who work in auto shops tell me they did everything the "dangerous way" (smoke while spraying, non-explosion proof booths, etc.) and never had a problem.

I wonder how real the danger actually is when spraying solvent based paints without TOTALLY explosion proof setups.
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I did some research on this when I built my spray booth, it would take an awful lot of spraying to produce a cloud big enough to actually explode. With the use of fans and squirrel cages for exhaust, odds are pretty slim. What ever product is being sprayed, you must do your homework.
 
cuemaker03 said:
Mike, how many cubic feet per minute is needed to remove the fumes?
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I wish I had the correct answer for you but I don't, When I did the booth the guys from the auto body shop helped, I'm still kicking which I think is good and no smell goes up stairs.
 
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Can you post or PM a picture of the booth? Do you spin and spray or spray turn the cue and spray again overlaping the finish?
 
cuesmith said:
Here's a shot of mine!

Sherm
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i am curious, at what rpm do you have your cues spinning? by the size of the pulleys, it looks like your step down factor is about 1/3? how many rpm's is that motor?
 
sixballrun said:
i am curious, at what rpm do you have your cues spinning? by the size of the pulleys, it looks like your step down factor is about 1/3? how many rpm's is that motor?
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To answer a couple of questions. My spraying set-up is very similer to Sherm's. You are supposed to use an explosion proof motor in a spraying area but those are very exspensive. I, myself, use an attic exaust fan that moves a little over 1600 cubic feet of air a minute. That is a lot of volume so I figure that it dilutes the finish enough not to start a fire, hopefully. I do keep a fire extinguisher right there. I have my cue spinning set-up at about 4' from the floor and the top about 6', it is 1' from the wall. Mine does three cues at a time now as I needed to take out the bottom two cue holders to make room for a rolling lathe that goes thru a tunnell with my U.V. light. The spindle set up is framed in and the window is at about 7.5' so that I'm not spraying directly at the fan but close enough so that all the overspray goes out the window.

The rpm of the shafts needs to be around 75 to 100 rpm. If they spin to fast centrifical force will roll up the finish and to slowly it may sag.
Dick
 
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