Thorsten"s Amazing 174 Run Not Allowed To Continue! Shame On You!!!

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Slim J

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First, as a 14.1 lover I want to thank everyone involved and especially those who put money into the 14.1 event at the Hilton in NJ. I mean this sincerely.

BUT

When a player has just broke the world rercord with an amazing 174 and out in competion you MUST let them keep shooting. Not only because of the 174 but because he was in dead stroke and was shooting the most technically mind blowing run I have ever seen. (and I've seen tons of very large runs)THE NEXT MATCH SIMPLY IS NOT NEARLY AS IMPORTANT! THE HELL WITH THE CLOCK AND THE PLAYING SCHEDULE!!!

Sure he could have missed his next shot but the 174 opened the door for historic possibilities and all you were concerned about was the next match. Shame on you. How many 14.1 events on this level are there anymore where the potential for something additionally historic exists? Its even more rare than a player running 150 and out.

Thorsten has a lifetime high run of over 400 balls. If he went on to run 300or more balls (regardless of the odds against it), this event and the run would have been talked about around the world.


If Thorsten would have agreed to keep shooting then you blew it.

Hopefully you will learn from this mistake.
 
I have to respectively disagree. This is the World Championship, not an exhibition. All that matters is winning the match. There were four matches going on at the time, you can't have one be an exhibition and three 'real' matches. I can't think of any sport that carries on after the result is decided. It's like playing the bottom of the 9th when the team has already won because one player has hit four homers, or carrying on in cricket when a player is one away from a world record when his team won.

Thorsten's run will always be remembered because it was in the World Championship, it was perfection, and it was unbroken. That has far more meaning that any number.
 
I bet Thorsten runs frequently more than 170. It's nothing spectacular to him, I bet the tournament is much more important to him than trying to spend a couple of hours to run a record and spending much needed energy for the remaining matches. When you're at the tournament, you don't concentrate on something else, you just want to win the match & tournament. Sacrificing the schedule for a couple of individuals' attempts on some high run records is not suitable imho. If they'd want the players to break the Mosconi's records, they'd organize a different tournament, like at the DCC.

Just my 2c.
 
there was no allow or disallow on hohmann to continue

he simply won , shook schmidts hand and unscrewed his stick

he didnt seem he had any intention of wanting to continue
 
I completely agree that if Thorsten had no interest to keep shooting then its his choice and to be fair he probably didn't want to continue. But only because the run was so high he should have at least been given the chioce.

I'm mostly coming from the perspective that 14.1 is not as popular a pool game as it once was in this country and it needs as much attention as it can get by way of record breaking performances if the player wants to continue.

As far as 3 other matches being played vs a completed match that has evolved into an exibition, my feeling is so what! I would be on my feet watching Thorsten. Its not like were talking about something that happens all the time. I would even have a new rule that if the high run record is broken during competition its the player's option to stop or keep shooting.

Part of my point is that the 200 point match length allowed this to happen. I say if the circumstances present themselves, then 'run' with it.

(Pun Intended)
 
I have to agree with hobokenapa and mjantti, its not the time or place to try and break a high run record. It would be kinda of fun to hold a tournament to with the purpose of breaking Mosconi's record.
 
Slim J said:
Players choice!?!?!?!?
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You have to understand that the sanctity of the tourament should be upheld. There are people playing in the tournament who do it for a living. He can call people, set an exhibition up, and try and break records any time he wants. You made a good point that there are so few of these tournaments left. It should not be interrupted by a personal record achievement. How would the players feel who were in stroke and had to wait for him to finish his run for a couple of hours, they sit cold, then pop, his run is over, and they step up cold to play him. It is a world championship, and they had business to take care of.

The tournament director could have observed the possible importance, offered to take pictures of the table and layout, and offered him a chance to complete the run after the tournament if he wished, but nothing more.

Kelly
 
It was not the highest ever in a tournament, the
record is 182 by Joe Procita.


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Mr441 said:
It was not the highest ever in a tournament, the
record is 182 by Joe Procita.


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Sorry, but not the point; 174 is the highest run EVER in a 14.1 Continuous Straight Pool World Championship. That was the distinction. This was not a tournament, an exhibition, or a practice session with spectators.
 
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Gregg said:
Sorry, but not the point; 174 is the highest run EVER in a 14.1 Continuous Straight Pool World Championship. That was the distinction. This was not a tournament, an exhibition, or a practice session with spectators.
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Procita's 182 WAS in the World Championships! But that's not the point either, once a game is over, its over. That would be like a MLB pitcher striking out the 20 batters to tie the record for a single game and then wanting to face more batters after the game is over! It would never be a consideration. And why should Hohmann's run be continued? what about all of Mosconi's 150 and outs? Mosconi wouldn't care about the run once the match is over and I'm sure Hohamnn doesn't care either. High runs are for exhibitions.


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Gregg said:
Sorry, but not the point; 174 is the highest run EVER in a 14.1 Continuous Straight Pool World Championship. That was the distinction. This was not a tournament, an exhibition, or a practice session with spectators.
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After a little research, Procita's run was in the 1951 World 14.1 Championships.


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From Bob Jewett's FAQ:

17. ** What is the record for X?

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What is the high run at straight pool?

On March 19, 1954 at the East High Billiard Club in Springfield, Ohio,
Willie Mosconi played an announced exhibition against Earl J. Bruney, a
local Springfield player. Mosconi pocketed 526 consecutive balls and
then missed. The table was a Brunswick 4x8. The highest run in world
championship competition was 182 by Joe Procita against Mosconi in
1951. Irving Crane made 309 on a 5x10 in an exhibition in 1939.

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Fred
 
Even had he continued the run, whatever number he ended at could never be considered the "high tournament run" because, after the match was over, he's no longer playing a tournament match. At that point it would be an exhibition. His "tournament run" would still be 174.
 
I also wouldn't have been suprised if he had missed soon afterwards, the match was over the intensity was gone. He would no longer have been on the "zone" and unless he was on 400 and had a record to aim for I doubt he would have cared much about 174.
 
In snooker the players are expected to continue their break after enough points have been secured to win the game. i.e. About 75.

This is because making a century or a high clearance is the most exciting feature of the sport.

I'd suggest 14.1 takes a lesson from this and encourages players who finish on a run of 100 or more to continue shooting for a shot at the tourney high run prize.

A video of a 200+ run by a player will sell more copies than a 120 run finish. That's good for the tourney sponsors, promoters and the brand value of the player who makes the break.

It's a marketing opportunity being missed IMHO.

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
In snooker the players are expected to continue their break after enough points have been secured to win the game. i.e. About 75.

This is because making a century or a high clearance is the most exciting feature of the sport.

I'd suggest 14.1 takes a lesson from this and encourages players who finish on a run of 100 or more to continue shooting for a shot at the tourney high run prize.

A video of a 200+ run by a player will sell more copies than a 120 run finish. That's good for the tourney sponsors, promoters and the brand value of the player who makes the break.

It's a marketing opportunity being missed IMHO.

Colin
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You make a good point Colin. But don't snooker tournaments reward players with some extra prize money for the highest break of the tournament, or give an even bigger bonus if someone shoots a max break of 147? I remember seeing a max break online, and I heard the announcers say that the prize is 147,000 pounds!

Now if straight pool gives such incentives, I think these touneys will be much more exciting. Definitely give a prize for the highest run of the tournament. Also give bonuses for runs above 200. But to keep things in control, maybe only the players that finish a match with a run over 100 are allowed to continue their run.
 
jsp said:
You make a good point Colin. But don't snooker tournaments reward players with some extra prize money for the highest break of the tournament, or give an even bigger bonus if someone shoots a max break of 147? I remember seeing a max break online, and I heard the announcers say that the prize is 147,000 pounds!

Now if straight pool gives such incentives, I think these touneys will be much more exciting. Definitely give a prize for the highest run of the tournament. Also give bonuses for runs above 200. But to keep things in control, maybe only the players that finish a match with a run over 100 are allowed to continue their run.
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Hi jsp,
Usually the World Snooker tournaments will have a high break prize and a special 147 bonus which occurs maybe 1 in 10 tournaments.

I think the 147,000 pounds bonus is just for the world championships, where most of the 147's occur due to the larger amount of frames played there. I'm not sure what the bonuses are at the other tour events.

btw: I put several 147 breaks in this Youtube snooker group:
http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos?name=snooker

Colin
 
Mr441 said:
It was not the highest ever in a tournament, the
record is 182 by Joe Procita.


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I am not authority, nor do I claim to be. And sorry if I came off a bit brash.

Was the 182 in game, or after the match was decided?

I thought that this current World Championsip was the first to have over 150 points for matches. Again, please correct me if I am wrong. I really don't know.
 
Mr441 said:
It was not the highest ever in a tournament, the
record is 182 by Joe Procita.


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Just a side note about Joe. He was one of the "masked marvels" who toured the country in the 30's thru the 50's. And probably the best one too.
He actually was still alive and playing well in the 1960's and showed up for several Johnson City affairs.
 
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