Indy IPT Warm-up - A Banger's-Eye View

Williebetmore

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Now that KT’s money is on the table, it is obvious that pool players everywhere are getting more serious about the game and about their practice habits. Several of the Indiana IPT’ers and pro’s decided to have a simulated IPT-like tournament day at Chalkies yesterday.

Players initially scheduled were IPT’ers Jeff Beckley, Brian Groce, Denver Barger, and George Breedlove; along with Jeanette Lee, former WPBA pro Nesli O’Hare, Everet Snow (yes, just one “t” for you members of the Spelling Gestapo), and Charles Wilson (best “golf on a snooker table” player in the state). When Denver couldn’t make it, they invited some hack named Williebetmore to fill the vacancy (I’ll save breakup the trouble, I was invited for the comic relief - you know, like those old Highlights magazines in the dentist’s office with the “What’s Wrong With This Picture?” puzzles).

Anyway, everyone pitched in some Benjamin’s so there was something significant at stake; then played about 11 hours of IPT-style 8-ball; round-robin; tight Diamond 9 footers (but with Simonis cloth); races to 6 or 8 (IPT’ers and JL played to 8 when they played each other); used IPT dual-scoring sheets.

Here are my observations:

#1 – The IPT’ers are DEFINITELY playing a different game than the bar league bangers. I was involved in only a few safety “battles” in 11 hours; 4- and 5-packs were falling like rain; I never saw Jeanette or George miss a ball in several hours playing against them or watching; Brian missed a ball or two (probably still laughing too hard after watching me); Jeff missed one ball (jawed) in our set. The first person to the table with an open shot won almost every game (????80% - I'm just guessing).

#2 – The cloth makes a difference. When played on fast Simonis, the big breakers are making a ball 80%-90% of the time. On the slower Gorina IPT cloth, making a ball is about a 50/50 proposition. Break & runs have to be more frequent on Simonis.

#3 – Clusters are not a problem. At least not for these players. A big break, with balls well spread, and a cluster or two was NO problem for these players. There was the odd, occasional layout that couldn’t be negotiated, but it was remarkable (and of course demoralizing) to see how well they deal with the clusters.

#4 – Maybe pool IS a sport after all (at least the way the IPT does it). The session was pretty similar to a typical IPT day. There were definite physical demands to playing, bending, focusing, walking. The muscles are just a little sore. If I did it 7 days in a row like the IPT, it would definitely wear me down.

#5 – Playing with the pro’s is FUN (as well as educational). After my recent disillusionment in Peoria (top player exhibiting VERY poor sportsmanship and probable outright cheating); I wasn’t sure what to expect when competing with these guys for some significant change. There was not one dispute; all fouls quickly confessed; very friendly atmosphere. Everyone went out of their way to provide a nugget or two (I think it was painfully obvious that I was in about a foot over my head; life preservers were offered). It doesn’t have to cost money; Brian Groce runs Lag’s pool hall in Columbus, IN and will play with patrons – you Indiana guys are missing the boat if you haven’t made a road trip down there. Mark Wilson runs the Billiards Bullpen in Collinsville, IL; same deal (hey, maybe we should have a thread for places you can play a pro for “free” – there’s always that table time though).

#6 – I’m keeping my day job.
 
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Nostroke said:
Sounds great but isn't Mark Wilson in St Louis?

Nostroke,
The teaching/commentating/pro player Mark Wilson (we refer to him as "the real Mark Wilson") is in Collinsville, IL; just across the river from St. Louis, virtually in the shadow of the arch.

Our local Mark Wilson (called "Charles" above, or sometimes "the fake Mark Wilson") is the "golf on a snooker table" demon.
 
I’ll take an official timeout from the feud


That sounds like a really cool event, that’s awsome they invited you to play. What were the scores of your matches Willie?


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By nuggets and life preservers you I assume someone told you not to chalk the rubber bumper thingie?

With all those pros even if the level of play was about a foot over your head I know you were appropriately dressed for the occasion, right down to your knee pads.
 
A trip to the Billiards Bullpen is definitely worth it. Mark is a great guy and he loves the game. And he does play the patrons, even if its for free.
 
Williebetmore said:
Nostroke,
The teaching/commentating/pro player Mark Wilson (we refer to him as "the real Mark Wilson") is in Collinsville, IL; just across the river from St. Louis, virtually in the

Thanks- I need to look at the map more often.
 
Williebetmore said:
There was not one dispute; all fouls quickly confessed; very friendly atmosphere. [/B]

I noticed the same atmosphere watching the IPT qualifier in Orland Park IL. I was not only impressed wih the respect the pros showed each other, but I was impressed with the respect the pros showed for the spectators as well.

Man, full throttle offense was all I saw too. I could only guess I saw maybe 6 safeties in 12 hrs, usually attemped only after a mistake. I suspect it's because the banking and kicking ability of these players makes it too risky, but I'm not sure. Seems like it should happen more often.
 
Williebetmore said:
When Denver couldn’t make it, they invited some hack named Williebetmore to fill the vacancy

A wise choice as far as I'm concerned. At Derby City, Willie, you showed that you belong on the table with the creme de la creme of pool. I don't doubt for a moment that a few onlookers watched you at the Indy event and just assumed you played pool for a living.

Seriously, though, don't sell yourself short. You are a solid player who continues to improve. AZBers planning on matching up with you best bring their A game, especially if you have the home court "Betmore Basemenet" advantage.

Stop calling yourself a hack just to protect your action, my friend! You're not fooling anybody!
 
sjm said:
A wise choice as far as I'm concerned. At Derby City, Willie, you showed that you belong on the table with the creme de la creme of pool. I don't doubt for a moment that a few onlookers watched you at the Indy event and just assumed you played pool for a living.

Seriously, though, don't sell yourself short. You are a solid player who continues to improve. AZBers planning on matching up with you best bring their A game, especially if you have the home court "Betmore Basemenet" advantage.

Stop calling yourself a hack just to protect your action, my friend! You're not fooling anybody!

sjm,
Thanks for the kind words (though it may be cause to question your vision, judgement, or both:) :) ).

In that kind of company I would have to triple my skill to reach "hack" status - it's all relative. Fortunately, it is VERY hard to embarrass me; so I had a complete BLAST getting pummelled by the Mooresville Pool Mafia.
 
breakup said:
I’ll take an official timeout from the feud


That sounds like a really cool event, that’s awsome they invited you to play. What were the scores of your matches Willie?


Time in

By nuggets and life preservers you I assume someone told you not to chalk the rubber bumper thingie?

With all those pros even if the level of play was about a foot over your head I know you were appropriately dressed for the occasion, right down to your knee pads.

breakdown,
Well, about the scores....I just can't seem to remember...hmmmm.....nope, just can't recall, but I'm sure I must have done very well....errrr...I'll get back to you later.

As far as chalking the rubber bumper; your childish innuendo was wasted. I know EXACTLY what that rubber bumper is for - its to strike you right in the middle of the forehead with - HOW'S THAT GOING TO TASTE?? I'll hit you so hard, you'll wish it had some chalk on it to soften the blow. I'm looking into a couple of new products in the "Betmore Line" of pool accessories - the titanium steel alloy bumper, and razor sharp curare coated bumper - I'd like to try them both on you when we meet at DCC.

P.S. - sure, my knees are a little sore, but hey, who said learning pool would be easy.
 
Williebetmore said:
breakdown,
Well, about the scores....I just can't seem to remember...hmmmm.....nope, just can't recall, but I'm sure I must have done very well....errrr...I'll get back to you later.


I think you are blowing smoke Willie. I think you beat someone of note and don’t want to embarrass them on the internet.

(...oops I forgot to say "time out")
 
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Sorry I couldn't make it down there for this, Willie. Sounds like it was a great time that I really missed out on seeing. Also, I want to second your statement about Lag's in Columbus, IN. Myself and some of the other IU billiard enthusiasts used to take the occasional road trip down there, and we always had good experiences. Unfortunately, I've never met Mr. Groce. I'm sure I'll go back sometime especially if I land this job with Hershey's and Columbus is in my sales territory.
 
Wilson is not the best "golf on a snooker table" player.

and I would add that Snow had no business in with that group.
 
Sounds ...

like a good time. I remember playing against Groce and Snow both at the Billiard Cafe there 10 years ago on 8 foot tables.
 
breakup said:
I think you are blowing smoke Willie. I think you beat someone of note and don’t want to embarrass them on the internet.

(...oops I forgot to say "time out")

Right. Classy, IMO.
 
u12armresl said:
Wilson is not the best "golf on a snooker table" player.

and I would add that Snow had no business in with that group.

U12,
Please let us know your choices for the Indiana "Golf Title." There are some awfully good players that think Mark is (yes, I know there are many others that play well).

As far as Everet having "no business" playing; I can say that other than the top 4, then there is no one else in the state (except maybe Brian Gregg and Denver) that has "business" playing these guys. I sure don't.

I saw Everet win 2 matches without missing a ball (heck, I saw him lose a match to George without missing a ball) - he's a strong player, and won his share of games. On a bar table I'll bet he's a monster.
 
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rackmsuckr said:
So what were the results and who won the cash? :p

Jeanette lost her first match to George WITHOUT SHOOTING AT A BALL (George ran the set in 2 innings); then won the rest of her matches to win the event. George finished second (losing only a single match on a fluke scratch). I think Jeff and Brian were third. I did not finish in the top 3.
 
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Da Poet said:
Man, full throttle offense was all I saw too. I could only guess I saw maybe 6 safeties in 12 hrs, usually attemped only after a mistake. .

Poet-man,
I totally agree. Safeties usually only occurred after a mistake in position; or if I ran too many balls and missed without leaving them a good shot at a runout. Their runout skills are so good, that I believe there are very few layouts that they look at as "un-runnable", so they shoot until they miss (very rare), get out of position and have to play safe (also rare), or runout (not rare AT ALL).
 
Williebetmore said:
Jeanette lost her first match to George...then won the rest of her matches to win the event. George finished second...

What a perfect couple they make.
 
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