Rule About Cueball being Frozen to Object Ball

Fast Lenny

Fast Lenny

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I was having a debate with someone on this rule, he said that if the balls are frozen you can do whatever you want on the shot, that you can jack up and shoot it or whatever. I insisted that the shot if they are frozen has to be played with a level stroke and if the balls have a gap you have to jack up for it. Who is right? :confused:
 
Both r not quite right, pls check General Pocket Rule on Google, it describe very clearly.

One hint, white ball only hit object ball once, cant hit more then once.

It has new addition rules, but it still based on General pocket rules.

It may help
 
Fast Lenny said:
I was having a debate with someone on this rule, he said that if the balls are frozen you can do whatever you want on the shot, that you can jack up and shoot it or whatever. I insisted that the shot if they are frozen has to be played with a level stroke and if the balls have a gap you have to jack up for it. Who is right? :confused:
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You're mostly right Lenny. If they're frozen together, then they won't double hit, so you can follow through.

If there's a gap, sometimes even jacking up won't prevent the double hit, so it really depends there.
 
nathandumoulin said:
You're mostly right Lenny. If they're frozen together, then they won't double hit, so you can follow through.

If there's a gap, sometimes even jacking up won't prevent the double hit, so it really depends there.
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I agree on that, the debate mainly is if the balls are frozen do you have to shoot through with a level stroke or can jack up when they are frozen? :confused:
 
You can hit level or jacked up on any shot - no rule (except maybe some wacky league rule that I'm unfamiliar with) says you have to hit the ball a certain way; only that you can't foul. However...

When the balls are close together but not touching it's often a good idea (but not required by the rules) to jack up or hit at a cut angle to avoid double hitting the cue ball.

When the balls are frozen it's often a good idea (but not required by the rules) not to jack up because the cue ball can be trapped between the object ball and your tip, causing a double hit.

No matter how you hit the balls you have to avoid a double hit or push foul. That means somebody needs to be able to judge them. Bob Jewett and Dr. Dave did a video recently showing how to do that for many shots. Maybe they'll post the link again.

pj
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if they are frozen there is no push but you have to be careful not to double hit the CB with your cue
 
When the balls are close together but not touching it's often a good idea (but not required by the rules) to jack up or hit at a cut angle to avoid double hitting the cue ball.

I always appreciate your comments on things like this, as you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the physics of the game. Are you saying here then that you can't double hit as long as you shoot at an angle or away and not straight into the object ball?

I'm curious because it came up in a tournament final I was in last year. I was frozen and shot away from the object ball, I thought it was a good hit and the ref called it good too. My opponent and one of his friends that was watching argued with me afterwords saying it was a double hit.
 
IplayBAD said:
if they are frozen there is no push but you have to be careful not to double hit the CB with your cue
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isn't double hitting the cue ball what is considered a push in this case? if they are frozen, you can shoot straight through the cue ball or jack up.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
IMHO you can shoot it any way you want as long as you do not DOUBLE KISS.....
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Let me add

The Hand is faster than the eye. Therefore a double kiss is no always seen by the Eye. However with good listening you can hear the double kiss.


BTW This is one of the hardest thing to explain to a Non player in the middle of a game. Therefore it is one foul I will let slide many times rather than have a 1/2 hour discussion.

PS. The Push Shot in the U tube Video is considered a Foul in my area by some people.
 
Fast Lenny , If the balls are frozen you can do what ever you want jack-up shoot straight through what ever.
 
There is no double hit or push or anything else if the balls are frozen you can shoot strait through the object ball period .
 
Me said:
When the balls are close together but not touching it's often a good idea (but not required by the rules) to jack up or hit at a cut angle to avoid double hitting the cue ball.
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StrokeofLuck:
Are you saying here then that you can't double hit as long as you shoot at an angle or away and not straight into the object ball?
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There's no guaranty; it's just the way that a foul is least likely - you have to use judgement. One way a foul can happen is if there's another object ball nearby that can trap the cue ball so you'll hit it again on the followthrough. Also, like I said, if the CB/OB are frozen together it can be hard to jack up and get a good hit.

There are no rules about how you can hit the cue ball because it can go either way depending on the particular circumstances.

pj
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Neil said:
Sorry, but not true. There is no double hit. But there can be a push. A push shot is when you keep the tip on the cb for an extended period of time. A push shot can drastically alter the path of the ob. To be legal, a normal stroke must be used. That can be either straight through the ball, or jacked up, or at an angle.
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Neil

I'll second that. A push shot has always been illegal or a foul in my mind. I believe the 45 degree rule should be used any time the OB is with in a chalk width of the CB, Frozen or not.

Another Cheater Shot is placing the cue tip under the CB and then flipping your Bridge hand thumb upwards so the tip makes contact with the CB. This is for safeties when you only want to make contact with a OB that is just slightly off the rail and hide the CB. A shot like this has to be hit so soft that most people can't hit it that soft.
 
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dr_dave said:
Here's another:

NV B.63 - Instruction for pool rules quiz

See: "part 1: CB frozen to OB"

Enjoy,
Dave
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Dave's video here clearly explains the rules and why they exist - this is great stuff. I wish that every pool player watched this until they understood the rules, because I think it's the single most misunderstood rule in pool and definitely can be an issue when it comes up in a pool room.

Just a side-note: when you're playing somebody whether gambling or in a toiurnament and come up to a frozen CB/OB issue, it is best to make sure you're on the same page with the other player about the rule before you take the shot.

Chris
 
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