Is Mike Sigel the best ever?
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Realizm said:
I disagree. 8 ball does not go to Reyes. Mike Sigel won more 8 ball matches than any other player past or present.
Straight Pool would not go to Reyes either. Straight Pool would go to Mosconi, by far first and foremost, then Luthor Lassiter or Jimmy Caras or more presently to John Schmidt. Danny Harriman is a springboard 14.1 player.
One Pocket and Rotation are all Efren's by far.
Snapshot9 said:
agreed.
efren's genius is that he's great at all games, but he's probably only the best at one pocket, and rotation too i'm guessing.
not that there's any shame in being second, third, or fourth behind the likes of strickland, hall, or sigel. or players like mizerak, schmidt and mosconi for the 14.1. no shame in that at all!
Snapshot9 said:
I agree with your assessment Scott about Reyes, however I would add Oliver Ortmann's name in there as well. Oliver is by far and a away one of the STRONGEST, MOST CONSISTENT 14.1 players of the past 25 years.
Overall, I would place Oliver (Current 14.1 World Champion) above Schmidt and Harriman, and I doubt I would get much of an argument out of either of them.
bab cranfield from syracuse...i racked 2 days in a row...he ran 490 and 493 back to back...just pratcing thoughSpiderWebComm said:
Terry Ardeno said:
babe cranfield was the best pratice player i ever saw. i racked a 490 and 493 back to back days at the holiday bowl in the mid 60s
Originally Posted by wincardona
Keither with the ether, why dont you back away from that computer and wipe the dust off your stick so we can gamble,you talk a good game lets see if you still have it.Just like old times.lol.
Yep, there's a lot of us just waiting for TAR to put that on. I think a lot of folks would sign up...Tom
Keither with the ether, why dont you back away from that computer and wipe the dust off your stick so we can gamble,you talk a good game lets see if you still have it.Just like old times.lol.
Johnnyt said:
Yep, there's a lot of us just waiting for TAR to put that on. I think a lot of folks would sign up...Tom
Blackjack said:
It's wild to think how much better he might have been if he truly loved the sport.
Road Warrior said:
maybe he wouldn't have been quite as good?
for example when i play my best mate every week he is beating me eight times out of ten, yet i'm the better player. he cant even draw the ball, and he isn't as knowledgeable as me. we are ultra-competitive though so we both put 110% into it.
anyway point is i feel the pressure a lot more than him, and I dog a hell of a lot of key shots. because i want it more. my mate just wants to beat me and go home with a free night of pool. (we play for the table time) I want to be great at pool more than anything else in the whole world so it means more to me, and consequently there's more pressure. if willie did indeed not have a true passion for the sport then maybe that worked out to his advantage.
pretty long ass way to make my point i know, but i lost again tonight and i'm hurting. :S
Your right about that but if you look at these guys and their mentors its clear that they are Greats of the game,Mosconi said Greenleaf was the best,Sigel said Crane was the best he ever saw.It takes natural talent and for that youngster to have a great mentor to become one of the greats IMO,not always but for the most part every great player idolized and emulated someone.Would be interesting to make a list of the great players and their teachers,mentors or who their idols were.Marvel said:Yeah, but many times they give credit to their mentors or the former champs whom they used to idolize, by saying something like that.
Let us not forget, that Great Efren himself has said various times, that "Mike Sigel was the best".
jimmyg said:
A fellow who ran over 300 who is not on your list is Leil Gay, but I don't know the exact ball count.
If I remember correctly, Gerda Hofstatter ran a 106 playing in a league match in NYC in 2002.
Lou Butera is notably missing from the list. Dick Lane used to practice 14.1 by playing 100 no-count, and probably ran over 100 every day of the week. Rempe rained centuries, as well. And Joe Balsis and Jimmy Caras played better 14.1 than all of them, yet they are not on the list.
For those unfamiliar, Min Wai Chin is a Taiwanese player who finshed second to Ralf Souquet in the 2000 BCA World Straight Pool Championsips at the Roseland in NYC.
I recall a practice run of 98 by top female pro Billie Billing in about 1980, but don't know if she ever ran 100.
Carlos Viera, whom I believe to be from Massachussetts, has run over 200 on more than one occasion, but I don't know the ball count.
Last but not least, I can confirm Jeanette Lee's 152, as she ran them playing against me!
Sorry, not my list
Hi SJM, apparently my post made it appear that I was the one compiling that list of high runs. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused, but that list was posted on the internet by someone unknown to me. He has an email link at the very end of the page and asks for any additional, confirmed information about these and other high runs be emailed to him.
I posted it (at the same time that Blackjack also posted it) thinking that Terry A. may want to contact him and exchange information to develop a more accurate and complete list, anyone can also do the same.
Sorry for causing any confusion, but it would be a great asset for pool to have an accurate and complete list for historic purposes.
The link is: http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm
Jim
sjm said:
Hi SJM, apparently my post made it appear that I was the one compiling that list of high runs. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused, but that list was posted on the internet by someone unknown to me. He has an email link at the very end of the page and asks for any additional, confirmed information about these and other high runs be emailed to him.
I posted it (at the same time that Blackjack also posted it) thinking that Terry A. may want to contact him and exchange information to develop a more accurate and complete list, anyone can also do the same.
Sorry for causing any confusion, but it would be a great asset for pool to have an accurate and complete list for historic purposes.
The link is: http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm
Jim
sjm said:
Leil "JR" Gay's HR is 313.
Lou Butera's is 267.
Jimmy Caras, 279.
I posted Balsis's, Rempe's, etc in post #140.
I don't have Dick Lane's HR info.
Road Warrior said:
After his 16 out of 17 world straight pool championships he never played again. He was an actor and got paid well for it and btw he never hated pool no matter what you read about it. The thing is his managment knows how to make money and that is how it was done then. He loved it more than you will ever know. He devoted almost his entire life to it. Peoeple really think he was broke and had to play don't they. This proves that if you write it down they will believe it.
He hated nine ball and one pocket, not because he couldn't play them, but because he said "Nine ball was the downfall of modern pool." He also said one pocket was a "gaff game." He did not elaborate on that in the video I watched. I will tell you a fact, he shot 80% plus of all the balls he ever made in his life in the bottom two corners.
Another fact: Willie Mosconi is in his lifetime averaged 19 balls made per inning. Do they still have people that keep these kinds of statistics. I know that when the sport died and the games began we lost alot of people that were interested in the facts.