If you were to rate the top 100 players in the world.....

On your list of the top 100 players in the world how many women would be on it?

  • 0

    Votes: 44 26.5%
  • 1 to5

    Votes: 92 55.4%
  • 6 to 10

    Votes: 21 12.7%
  • 11 to 15

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • 16 to 20

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • 21 to 30

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 31 to 40

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 41 to 50

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 51 to 75

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 76 to 100

    Votes: 3 1.8%

  • Total voters
    166
  • Poll closed .
ribdoner said:
IMO if your talking about gambling (long sets) at 9B the answer is 0.

If your talking about a combination of a rotation game (9B, 10B, alternate break) and 14-1 in a tournement setting then the answer is 1 to 5.


On topic:) :) :grin:
 
Let's imagine for a second that pool is as well organized as ATP tennis, with proper world rankings, lots of rich tournaments throughout the whole world...etc. Because of this all players quit gambling...tournaments pay more than enough. For example, just like tennis US Open, pool US Open now pays nearly 20K$ to first round losers, more than a million to the winner.And everybody plays...I mean everybody...from Efren to completely unknown players from Asia who shoot lights out...
Also, we have nearly 70 world ranking events, comparable to pro tennis.
Tournaments are one week or to weeks long, not just a 3 day event.
Would there be any ladies in top 100?

This is how I imagined this poll.
 
predator said:
Let's imagine for a second that pool is as well organized as ATP tennis, with proper world rankings, lots of rich tournaments throughout the whole world...etc. Because of this all players quit gambling...tournaments pay more than enough. For example, just like tennis US Open, pool US Open now pays nearly 20K$ to first round losers, more than a million to the winner.And everybody plays...I mean everybody...from Efren to completely unknown players from Asia who shoot lights out...
Also, we have nearly 70 world ranking events, comparable to pro tennis.
Tournaments are one week or to weeks long, not just a 3 day event.
Would there be any ladies in top 100?

This is how I imagined this poll.

yes and the best woman would be miss piggy and her flying daughters would also be in the top 100 too:rolleyes:
 
Surly said:
That's just what I was thinking. *Butting in where I don't belong*....

The question still begs to be answered: Exactly who are the top 100 players that take up every last one of those slots so that Kelly or Allison can't be squeeeeezed in?

You can't really say they don't qualify unless you have 100 reasons why...

Here is a list of 99. Let me know if you disagree strongly enough to stake a woman against one. Also, I left a last name off as arguably Brian White might be on there. Otherwise, I believe everyone could probably name one more.

SVB
Abood
Adkins
Alcano
Altomare
Appleton
Archer
Baraks
Barrong
Bartrum
Bergman
Bowman
Bryant
Bustamante
Chamat
Chang
Chao
Chen
Chohan
Cordova
Corteza
Daulton
Davis
De Luna
Dechaine
Deuel
Drago
Engert
Farrell
Fiejen
Frost
Fuller
Gabica
Gallego
Gomez
Groce
Haddad
Hann
Harriman
Hatch
Hennessee
Hernandez
Hohmann
Hopkins
Hsia
Hundal
Immonen
Jones
Joyner
Kennedy
Kiamco
Kirkwood
Ko
Kuo
Luat
Majid
Manalo
Martinez
Matlock
Moore
Morris
Nevel
Ochoa
Okumora
Orcullo
Ortmann
Owen
Paez
Pagulayan
Parica
Peach
Pickle
Pierce
Price
Putnam
Reyes
Robles
Saez
Salvas
Sambajon
Schmidt
Slivka
Souqet
Stalev
Strickland
Tadd
Ulrich
Van Den Berg
Vilmont
Walden
Wiley
Wilkie
Williams
Williams
Wiseman
Wu
Yang
Zimmerman
Zuglan
 
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The above post is not to ridicule the women. It is just stating facts. I admire the level that many play, but they are not top 100.
 
iba7467 said:
Here is a list of 99. Let me know if you disagree strongly enough to stake a woman against one. Also, I left a last name off as arguably Brian White might be on there. Otherwise, I believe everyone could probably name one more.

<snipped for brevity>
There's a handful on that list that I would put Karen or Allison up against in an instant BUT there are also a lot of players that could be on that list like:

Ramil Gallego
Ginky
Siegel
Wetch
Basavich
Young-hwa Jeong
Troy Frank

and these are just quick off the top of my head

oh yeah and what about Bernie Friend:eek: :p


Now, let's just say for the sake of argument that a new non gender specific invitational 9ball tour began in 2009. It has 10 events and the tour organizers invited the top 200 men and the top 50 women to play in all the events. Is there anyone here that seriously believes that NO women would be in the top 100? If there are any that believe this then I say that you are delusional and possibly a sexist:eek:
Some of these women play far better than most are willing to give them credit for IMHO.
 
JB Cases said:
Of course I am reaching. But I have yet to hear a counteroffer. The world thinks that Brian is the better player. I agree. What kind of weight would Kelly need to make it a "fair" game?

Maybe if we agree on that then we can see a match.

Reed's offer of the 7 is hardly any weight at all. However he can give up the six out and get played.

Most of you think that just about every shortstop in the world is better than the top women. I see shortstops getting all kinds of weight and getting beat at Derby so I don't see why this is such a problem.

If every shortstop is better than all the women then it's a no brainer that any shortstop should be willing to give up weight to any woman. And any Champion like Reed should be willing to give up tremendous weight. After all they aren't in the top 700 best players in the world.

Y'all like to talk about horses and whose horse is better. Well in horse racing the stronger horses are handicapped to insure a fair race.

You're right Pool Player - I am just vocalizing my WISH that Allison and co were in the top 100. It's a complete fantasy on my part. Since they are not allowed to compete with the men consistently they have no chance to even try. I agree that the reality is that they could not even break the top 1000. So compile a list of the top 1000 players and handicap it from top to bottom. Whatever weight the #1000 player can get from Brian or Reed to make it a fair game is what I will take and let Kelly play either of them.

God I wish I were a multi-millionaire. I would bust a lot of who think that the women can be handily beaten by any joe player. I'd take the women on tour and take on all "non-ranked" players who want to play. Then we'd see who can really play and who can't. But you know, you all are right. The women can't hang. They really have no business in a pool room at all.

And how dare they aspire to be good or great players. I think we should just ban the bunch of them from playing at all. Then no more debates, no bruised ego, no crying about double dipping. Then you are free to pick on the wheelchair players.

By the way, I play ok too, have run five racks on occasion. I tried the 5 out from a very good semi-pro just to see if I was wrong. I was and it cost me $800 for the lesson.


I will compile a list of the top 1000 players in the world but first you need to send me $2100 because I figure that's what I would lose in time at work.

You sir, make no sense at all with your posts and logic. Why do any of the men have to give weight to any of the women if you think the women are better? Hell, I would play Efren with enough weight. What exactly would getting the 6 out from Brian prove about Kelly's game? It certainly wouldn't prove that she's better than Brian if she wins. If they play even and she wins then she could say that she is better. But that will never happen because you know that she would get that ass drilled and you aren't going to put any money up when you know what would happen.
 
corvette1340 said:
I will compile a list of the top 1000 players in the world but first you need to send me $2100 because I figure that's what I would lose in time at work.

You sir, make no sense at all with your posts and logic. Why do any of the men have to give weight to any of the women if you think the women are better? Hell, I would play Efren with enough weight. What exactly would getting the 6 out from Brian prove about Kelly's game? It certainly wouldn't prove that she's better than Brian if she wins. If they play even and she wins then she could say that she is better. But that will never happen because you know that she would get that ass drilled and you aren't going to put any money up when you know what would happen.
Even asking for weight promotes the inferiority of a player. IE: If I ask for the six and the last two from Sparky, I am basically saying, "You are the better player, I need a handicap." So, are you guys saying that the women need a handicap? If so, don't you see what that says? In a tournament, short race, sure some women can knock off a few of the guys. Does that mean they are the better player? Absolutely not. I've knocked off a few good players that I won't take the seven from. It means nothing....absolutely nothing. Fifteen ahead? There you go. Could Kelly withstand Johnny's break? Or even little Tony's break? Why don't we just ask her? Would she play Little Tony even? And we all know he's not top 100. If she would, I'd say she could get a little action. The women are conditioned tournament players, and well conditioned. Some will tee it up for the cash, also. But they, under no circumstances, will play any of the better guys even. If so, someone give me a matchup and I will donate all that I just won on the Stevie Moore match.
 
iba7467 said:
Here is a list of 99. Let me know if you disagree strongly enough to stake a woman against one. Also, I left a last name off as arguably Brian White might be on there. Otherwise, I believe everyone could probably name one more.

SVB
Abood
Adkins
Alcano
Altomare
Appleton
Archer
Baraks
Barrong
Bartrum
Bergman
Bowman
Bryant
Bustamante
Chamat
Chang
Chao
Chen
Chohan
Cordova
Corteza
Daulton
Davenport
Davis
De Luna
Dechaine
Deuel
Drago
Engert
Farrell
Fiejen
Frost
Fuller
Gabica
Gomez
Groce
Haddad
Hann
Harriman
Hatch
Hennessee
Hernandez
Hohmann
Hopkins
Hsia
Hundal
Immonen
Jones
Joyner
Kennedy
Kiamco
Kirkwood
Ko
Kuo
Luat
Majid
Manalo
Martinez
Matlock
Moore
Morris
Nevel
Ochoa
Okumora
Orcullo
Ortmann
Owen
Paez
Pagulayan
Parica
Peach
Pickle
Pierce
Price
Putnam
Reyes
Robles
Saez
Salvas
Sambajon
Schmidt
Slivka
Souqet
Stalev
Strickland
Tadd
Ulrich
Van Den Berg
Vilmont
Walden
Wiley
Wilkie
Williams
Williams
Wiseman
Wu
Yang
Zimmerman
Zuglan

If Karen Corr had to play each one of the above in a tournament match, race to nine, I would bet she would win at least a third or more of these matches. I would again take 2-1 and bet on her EVERY match.

P.S. She might win half of them! :D In fact, tell you what I'm gonna do. Whenever Karen plays in a men's event, like the Northeast Tour, I'll just bet on her even money on every match she plays.

The OP asked about a tournament setting only, not gambling. And that is what I'm responding to. Too many people under rate the top women's games, and they keep fooling us over and over.
 
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You sir, make no sense at all with your posts and logic. Why do any of the men have to give weight to any of the women if you think the women are better?


exactly what i was thinking.


If Karen Corr had to play each one of the above in a tournament match, race to nine, I would bet she would win at least a third or more of these matches. I would again take 2-1 and bet on her EVERY match.


everyone realizes that anything can happen in a short race set,but how about 10 ahead or race to 100.i didn't really look at the list,but i am sure another list could be made that anyone would be happy to lay 2-1 on the set to Corr.

i have seen her get wooffed at several times by a local player here who isn't even a true short stop yet and she wouldn't play getting staked.truth is she probably can't win.
 
JB Cases said:
Reed's offer of the 7 is hardly any weight at all. However he can give up the six out and get played.

Most of you think that just about every shortstop in the world is better than the top women. I see shortstops getting all kinds of weight and getting beat at Derby so I don't see why this is such a problem.

If every shortstop is better than all the women then it's a no brainer that any shortstop should be willing to give up weight to any woman. And any Champion like Reed should be willing to give up tremendous weight. After all they aren't in the top 700 best players in the world.
ro just to see if I was wrong. I was and it cost me $800 for the lesson.

Honestly, I only brought up Reed's offer because I'd love to see this match. Like you, I'd love to see one of the women take this bet and win.

As for the shortstops, I can guarantee they won't all enjoy matching up with some of these ladies. There are few Carolina's shortstops that have matched up with Kelly F. I know of her winning at least two 10 ahead sets against local shortstops.

Kelly can PLAY! Until you've had the chance to match up with the top echelon of female players, it can be hard to comprehend just how good they are. In the few times we've played, Kelly put a 5 pack on me in our shop. It was the last three racks of one set and the first two of the next set.

That's strong on a shimmed Gold Crown. I don't care which chromosomes you posses.
 
Look, Tony Watson isn't even on the list and he played Allie with the six and the break.
 
masonh said:
exactly what i was thinking.





everyone realizes that anything can happen in a short race set,but how about 10 ahead or race to 100.i didn't really look at the list,but i am sure another list could be made that anyone would be happy to lay 2-1 on the set to Corr.

i have seen her get wooffed at several times by a local player here who isn't even a true short stop yet and she wouldn't play getting staked.truth is she probably can't win.

Well, that's another subject. If we want to talk gambling, I'm gonna get Vivian to do my playing. She gambles pretty good sir. Kelly Fisher might be a good choice here too.

Once again the OP did not ask about gambling situations. He specifically asked about playing in tournaments. And that's what I was responding to. If your local shortstop (or ANY local shortstop) plays Karen in a tournament match, I'll be glad to make a friendly wager on her.
 
The question is

jay helfert said:
Well, that's another subject. If we want to talk gambling, I'm gonna get Vivian to do my playing. She gambles pretty good sir. Kelly Fisher might be a good choice here too.

Once again the OP did not ask about gambling situations. He specifically asked about playing in tournaments. And that's what I was responding to. If your local shortstop (or ANY local shortstop) plays Karen in a tournament match, I'll be glad to make a friendly wager on her.


Jay the questions is do you believe any woman should be ranked in the top 100, not can they beat a top 100 player in a single set. Do you really believe any woman should be ranked in the top 100??
 
i thought the thread was just top 100 players in the world.as far as gambling on tournaments goes you might as well be betting football games or coin tosses.race to 7 or 9 is just a gamble.a guy who plays 4-5 balls under his opponent's speed can win.
 
George said:
OK, I've never done a poll before and I see I wasn't specific enough for some, fair enough.

9ball
race to 9
indoors
68 degrees 45% humidity
Gold Crown III simonis 860 w/Aramith pros and polka dot cueball
blue masters chalk
cue glove(optional)
Strickland fingertip extenders(optional)
:D :D :D ;) :D :D :D

Ha ha...you didn't say if it was winner breaks or alternating :grin:

KMRUNOUT
 
jay helfert said:
In fact, tell you what I'm gonna do. Whenever Karen plays in a men's event, like the Northeast Tour, I'll just bet on her even money on every match she plays.

Jay it's not nice to steal.:grin:
 
jay helfert said:
If Karen Corr had to play each one of the above in a tournament match, race to nine, I would bet she would win at least a third or more of these matches. I would again take 2-1 and bet on her EVERY match.

P.S. She might win half of them! :D In fact, tell you what I'm gonna do. Whenever Karen plays in a men's event, like the Northeast Tour, I'll just bet on her even money on every match she plays.

The OP asked about a tournament setting only, not gambling. And that is what I'm responding to. Too many people under rate the top women's games, and they keep fooling us over and over.

I'll take the same bet Jay has proposed, just for smaller amounts. I'm not rich like him.
 
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