Highest pool-playing skill level Pool Instructor that you know.

JB Cases said:

Sure,
I might be in Valley Forge in March or in Vegas for the BCA Expo. VF works for me. As a plan B, I might be able to fly out to Vegas during the BCA too.

I don't know who you are nor what you mean about "vindictivness" and destroying another forum that you enjoy.
You could possibly be talking about the IPM forum and the great April Fool's joke that JR and I played.
That is exactly what I was areferring to. Given your history with JimBo, you KNEW that it was gonna be problems if you started sh1t. You relished the thought of it and went for it.

Now, I don't know what your problem is but I am sure that beating me on a pool table isn't gong to solve it.
Just personal satisfaction.

The last thing is that if someone insults a friend of mine then I can certainly jump in wherever and whenever I want to.
You are applying your own rules and logic. If personal feelings are reason enough to jump into something that doesn't concern you, then I'm justified too, by your deluded "rights".

He proposed a bet and I took him up on it. Then he even had the nerve to say I was ducking him after I agreed to the bet. SO what's YOUR problem, speaking of jumping into to things that DON'T concern you?
I can give two shoopys about BJ and APA7's tiff, but for the sake of argument, I don't think the bet was wtih you, until you stuck your neck in.

So if you want this match with me then reveal who you are so you can be verified, post the money, let's agree on a time, and let's get down. You know who I am.

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JB Cases said:

You have made several points here that are false;

First I never claimed to have beaten any top players in anything other than little FUN matches that were meaningless. ONE time I beat some of the Fury team in tiny little fun races to five where they weren't even trying. And I don't think I even mentioned that on these forums. But if I did and you are using that then that's a pretty far stretch to say that I am always posting about beating pros.
I could be mistaken. Perhaps, it was your periodic name dropping and statements of how many racks you've run, et al.

As for how many racks I have strung, again I rarely mention anything like that and when I have it was five racks of nine ball and five racks of 8 ball and 98 balls in straight pool and two 8 and outs in one pocket.
Those "accomplishments" are much better than mine. Hell, my high run is 55, but admittedly, I rarely, if ever, play Straight Pool.

I like to bet enough to make it really hurt. How about $5000 to the charity of our choice. I mean I'd be really happy to spend your money on myself but as I get older I enjoy giving it to others who need it more than me. Who needs more toys when I have free entertainment from people like you?
That is a lot more than I had in mind, but let me think about it... OK, you talked me into it.
The only stipulation is that I prefer to have TAR hold the money (if they are willing) because I know them personally, and trust them. Also, I'm not as altruistic as you. I will "tip" TAR 20% of my winnings and piss the rest of it away, assuming I can get lucky to win. See below, for details.

All this is conditional on us here at AZ being able to verify who you are. If you really are a no-name league player then you have action.
I am what I say. In fact, the last time I played with an APA handicap, years ago, I was an "SL6" in 8 ball. I am no threat to a top player. I've never won a top amateur tourney. I have, on occasion, played some good Pool, to make people think I'm better than I am, though.

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JB Cases said:

I want to add that no one - and I mean NO ONE - is able to make 200 balls in straight pool - at any time in their entire life - without being able to play.

If I am not mistaken David's high run is something like 224. No one makes that many balls in straight pool without knowing how to play at a professional level.

APA7 and David may have some "history" between them, I don't know and don't care. The point is that if APA7 thinks that it's cool to use that as an excuse to knock someone else's estimation of David's skill level in addtion to knocking David himself then that's way uncool. And anyone who steps up to defend APA7's uncool behaviour is themselves just as uncool.

It's not as if David came on this thread and nominated himself. Others did that. David has helped MANY MANY MANY people over the years both in person and through phone calls, emails and so on. So as an instructor he definitely has street cred. As a player who knows? I never "heard" of Blackjack David Sapolis in legendary road stories either. But then again there are many fine players I have never heard of.

In Buddy Hall's book Rags to Rifleman they tell a story of going to a poolroom to match up and the table mechanic gets up from underneath the table, doesn't take off the heavy apron he's wearing and runs 150 and out.

I never heard of Joe Tucker until Racking Secrets came out.

So I don't want to hear any more BS about the right to "question" someone's credentials. Yeah you have that right IF you are considering doing buisness with that person. You don't have that right if your intention is to demean and slander someone.

I myself have in the past questioned David's credentials to be allowed to play in the world 14.1 championships. 224 balls is enough for me to see that he has all the skills to be there.

And it's enough for me to bet the guy can run 75 balls in 8 hours if someone is foolish enough to trap themselves by claiming he can't.

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Eric. said:

John, you talked me into it.

I'd be interested in playing big table 9 ball, break from the box and the 9 spots on the break, rack your own, 8 ahead. Also, being that I am not used to playing Pool for really long periods of time, I say we limit the match to 6 hours and prorate the games, if it's not over ($625 a game).

I'll post a 10% "good faith/no show" deposit with JCIN/TAR about 45 days out.

Let me know when you fly in from Mars and I'll meet you there. Valley Forge?


Eric

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Yancey said:

The person at the top of my list is also Stan Shuffett. If you look at results of his past students and what his instruction has done for them and what his students say about his instruction. In my opinion and others, he is by and large one of the best teaching today.

Take it from someone that decided to take his foundation course at the recommmendation of Stevie Moore, who credits his current success to Stan's guidance, hands down you are right to have Mr Shuffett at the top of your list.

His one on one style of teaching, course curriculum, personal ability, professional training as a 30+ year teacher and proven results from his students such as Stevie, Louis, Yu Ram, etc, love of the game. There is NO doubt in my mind why he is one of the most sought after instructors and one of the best people I have had the pleasure of meeting.

Check out his website for what his students say about his instruction says it all. www.justcueit.com

Yancey

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Scott Lee said:

Flex...I'm in total agreement with you. I'm just saying that the original thread topic was quite different than how the thread turned out. The first post specified "professional teachers", and specifically not pro players that teach occasionally. Buddy Hall may be a fine teacher...but he is player first and foremost...and only an occasional teacher. Mark Wilson was a pro player, who quit playing to become a pro teacher...an excellent one. Unfortunately he's not even teaching anymore, as he's tied up with his duties with the WPBA.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

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SpiderWebComm said:

I call out everybody. I call out Eric, JB, APA7, Blackjack, Scott Lee, Helfert, Joey, and even the great one they call "Smorg."

I vont to announce that I will be slappin' on the infamous "Camel Clutch" on your azzes and taking all de money. Make sure you play each other first so I can play the weener and ween ALL de money.

Kiss-a-my-azz the Effa-run. Kiss-a-my-azz the Boody-Hall. Kiss-a-my-azz the Mike See-gahl. Kiss-a-my-azz Joney-Ahcha!! I call you out!

THAT IS ALL!
*SPIT*

Me playing Blackjack would be like this (FFWD TO 1:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkqgdnkuP9E&NR=1

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APA7 said:

Sorry to disappoint U, friend. I put my bet out, but every1 ran and hid:sorry:

Brian

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JB Cases said:

I just want to play 7 ball - break from the corner - everything spots on the string - ball in hand behind the back. I can't play rack your own, it's demoralizing - we need a neutral racker/referee who gets 5% of the winnings for doing it.

I propose we play 9-ball, 8 ball, one pocket and straight pool. I think that there is a room near Valley Forge over the bridge that has video capabilities so that we can tape it for future players to study about what not to do.

Anyway when I do plan to come to the VF area I will definitely see if we can't set something up. Ought to be fun.

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Eric. said:

Well, based on your reply here and your PM to me, I'm guessing after all that posturing, you don't really want to play. Fair enough.


Eric

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JB Cases said:

I said we could play. Based on your PM to me I don't know if you are serious or not.

I have no problem to play you anytime for any amount Eric. If you are allowed to go to the expo again then we can play there if I show up this year. My baby is due in February so I amy not come to VF this year and I hope that's an acceptable excuse to duck you.

However if you want to come to China and play for $5,000 then I will pay your plane fare and hotel if you lose. So you get odds on the money by coming to me.

We can stream it live for all of AZ/IPM/JA to see.

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Eric. said:

Sounds like you keep flip flopping, John.

Ok, since you said that you are already planning be at VF and BCA/Vegas in May, I should be able to be at both. There are plenty of pool rooms near the VF expo ctr, I know we can get a table.

Let's make a game, John. I already said what I was interested in playing and I'm still waiting for you to accept the terms or add to them. No sense trading rhetoric, let's set it up. I can care less if you wanna stream it, that will be yours to sort out the details.

Again, I'd like:

9 ball, rack your own, 9 ball spots on break. Break from the box. Play 8 ahead. 6 hour time limit, prorate the games.

John?


Eric

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JB Cases said:

I already said that I am planning on Valley Forge and Vegas BUT if my family needs me then that's where I will be.

But you have an open invitation to come to China where I have thirty pool rooms within 30 minutes of my front door.
Why would I do that when you said you'll be in the USA? I'm still offering to meet up.

I want to play 9-ball, 14.1, one-pocket, 8-ball and rotation. That should be enough to settle who the best player is. Like I said if you lose I will pay for your plane ticket and your lodging/meals while you are here.
I prefer to play a game we both play. For me: 9 ball, 8 ball and rotation would be on the list.

How tough can it be? Get on a plane and come over here and collect $5000. We can stream it and record it so that there is no ambiguity and everyone can see that the conditions are professional and the games are on the square.

I haven't flip flopped but you have. You sent me a PM saying that your initial PM was just in fun and I sent you one back telling you that I was sorry because I had no idea who you were when you did it. So are you jacking around or not?
Feel free to post this PM from me where I said the BS you say I did. Again, how many posts do I need to make, asking to play?

I will be happy to send $5000 to anybody we can mutually trust to hold the stake. Why don't we just do this within the next 30 days. We agree to post within the week and you agree to be in China within 30 days so we can play. If you don't show up without a valid reason to postpone it you lose the stake. If that's too much for you we can post anything from $1000 to the full amount for show up money.
You sound like you are weaseling. When the time comes, I prefer to post with TAR/JCIN.

All games are to played by WPA rules no exceptions no changes.
Fine. Forget 9 ball, I'll go with 10 ball instead.

We play TAR style long races in each discipline. We draw a random game for each session and we play each session for $1000. If we split sessions then the last one is for the entire $5000. Or if you want to say it TAR style then each session is for $2000 and if the sets are split then the last session is for $10,000.
I'll play the 3 games I mentioned.

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