John Parris Ambassador cue for sale
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Looks like the cue was originally damaged and somebody had to replace the original brass ferrule. Buyer beware, does not look like an authentic Parris.
Phenolic ferrule
I'm tempted to supply you with some bad rep for making accusations based on conjecture and assumtion. There has never been no damage to this cue ever, and at the request to the owner, I changed the ferrule to provide that softer hit. You are obviously from the British side of the pond cause most over there think it's doomsday to have anything but a brass ferrule on a snooker cue. The phenolic ferrules provide a much softer hit and a lot of Canadians have a ferrule other than brass.
The other nite, I went to my local hall ( has 6 nice 6X12 tables) and of the 17 players on the tables, 13 had ferrules other than brass ( 4 phenolic, 5 white, and 4 black pvc)
Price wise, I am entertaining any and all offers of cash or equivilent trade for what have you
Thanks for looking
Walter
I'm tempted to supply you with some bad rep for making accusations based on conjecture and assumtion. There has never been no damage to this cue ever, and at the request to the owner, I changed the ferrule to provide that softer hit. You are obviously from the British side of the pond cause most over there think it's doomsday to have anything but a brass ferrule on a snooker cue. The phenolic ferrules provide a much softer hit and a lot of Canadians have a ferrule other than brass.
The other nite, I went to my local hall ( has 6 nice 6X12 tables) and of the 17 players on the tables, 13 had ferrules other than brass ( 4 phenolic, 5 white, and 4 black pvc)
Price wise, I am entertaining any and all offers of cash or equivilent trade for what have you
Thanks for looking
Walter
Sorry Cuetip, didn't mean to call you out, but don't get all high and mighty on me.
John Parris is an expert cuemaker (arguably the best in the biz). He knows his craft extremely well and for some reason ONLY uses brass ferrules.
You had an original John Parris cue that you personally modified (or improved). Doesn't that mean that it is no longer an AUTHENTIC John Parris cue? The butt is still John Parris, but the front (where all the magic happens) is clearly now a "Cuetip" cue. It also does not play the same way as when it left John Parris' shop. May be it's better, and the "damage" to the ferrule was done intentionally. But if you'd ask John himself, I'm sure he'd be willing to fix it for you.
John Parris is an expert cuemaker (arguably the best in the biz). He knows his craft extremely well and for some reason ONLY uses brass ferrules.
You had an original John Parris cue that you personally modified (or improved). Doesn't that mean that it is no longer an AUTHENTIC John Parris cue? The butt is still John Parris, but the front (where all the magic happens) is clearly now a "Cuetip" cue. It also does not play the same way as when it left John Parris' shop. May be it's better, and the "damage" to the ferrule was done intentionally. But if you'd ask John himself, I'm sure he'd be willing to fix it for you.
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Sorry, but nothing is broke or damaged here so why fix it. But like I implied, it appears traditional billiard players such as yourself believe the only true hit can to be attained with a brass ferrule. I think it's a shame that minds can be so closed. Such a shame
Regards
Walter
I don't want to turn this into a p!ssing contest. But yes, ask any appraiser.
If you change anything from the original it is no longer an original.
The ferrule is a major change and thus it is no longer a "John Parris".
By omitting, that you personally modified that cue, from your item description, you let the casual reader infer that it is still a John Parris, worth the (some think too high) price for it. This modification will cause an appraiser to value the cue considerably less. In order to get the original price it will need to be restored to its original condition. AKA with brass ferule. Whether you'd call it restore or repair. It's a matter of nomenclature. I'm betting John Parris would call it repair!
The $600 you're asking on thesnookerforum seems outlandish, seeing that you can buy a brand new Ambassador from JP's website unmodified for $376 with todays exchange rate. You'd be lucky to get $250 unless you find somebody who really knows little about cues or shopping around.
Anyway, I have no objections to any kind of ferule. It all depends on what you like in a cue. I have played with my snooker cue (with brass ferule) for decades and I'm not changing that, unless my cue gets lost or something. Then the search starts over to find one that matches my stroke. I do play pool sometimes with a cue with a phenolic ferule. I've also tried the carbon fiber reinforced shafts etc. rather than all wood. New technology comes along all the time and you got to give it a fair shake. But so far, for my stroke, I like all wood cue and brass ferule with Elk master tips better. However, I'm going to try a Talisman tip next when I do have to replace this one.
Good luck with the sale and hope you get a decent price for it.
If you change anything from the original it is no longer an original.
The ferrule is a major change and thus it is no longer a "John Parris".
By omitting, that you personally modified that cue, from your item description, you let the casual reader infer that it is still a John Parris, worth the (some think too high) price for it. This modification will cause an appraiser to value the cue considerably less. In order to get the original price it will need to be restored to its original condition. AKA with brass ferule. Whether you'd call it restore or repair. It's a matter of nomenclature. I'm betting John Parris would call it repair!
The $600 you're asking on thesnookerforum seems outlandish, seeing that you can buy a brand new Ambassador from JP's website unmodified for $376 with todays exchange rate. You'd be lucky to get $250 unless you find somebody who really knows little about cues or shopping around.
Anyway, I have no objections to any kind of ferule. It all depends on what you like in a cue. I have played with my snooker cue (with brass ferule) for decades and I'm not changing that, unless my cue gets lost or something. Then the search starts over to find one that matches my stroke. I do play pool sometimes with a cue with a phenolic ferule. I've also tried the carbon fiber reinforced shafts etc. rather than all wood. New technology comes along all the time and you got to give it a fair shake. But so far, for my stroke, I like all wood cue and brass ferule with Elk master tips better. However, I'm going to try a Talisman tip next when I do have to replace this one.
Good luck with the sale and hope you get a decent price for it.
Wity
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Hmmmm reminds me of a question i once raised elsewhere: Is a Ford still a Ford if fitted with radio from a Vauxhall, or resprayed in BMW red,or with a replaced spark plug of a manufactuer with no ford affiliation? The nitty griitty legal answer is no but common sence says yes.
Ebay it and you should get close to £200 for it as theres plenty of muppetts out there that think because he gives cues away free to the pros they are the dogs danglers. Probably best to bung a brass ferule on it though, one will cost you no more than a couple of quid.
Ebay it and you should get close to £200 for it as theres plenty of muppetts out there that think because he gives cues away free to the pros they are the dogs danglers. Probably best to bung a brass ferule on it though, one will cost you no more than a couple of quid.
Let's put things this way. Not your sales thread... Keep out... Unless you are interested in buying the cue. That is the rule of thumb we are trying to follow in this forum so no flame wars are created.
Peace, Out!
Wity
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Thats just about the most stupid idea i've ever heard of !
If the seller wants to bullshit a cue let him stick it on ebay where no one can reply. If it's any good and the price is fine then he shouldn't be worried about any critisism as there wouldn't be any. But if it's a load of crap then forum members / potential buyers would more than welcome independent views surely?
it is an original parris, whether the ferrule has been changed or not. the shaft hasnt suddenly morphed into a different one just because the ferrule isnt the brass one fitted. parris may normally use brass ferrules but i know of a few cues he has done that have fibre ones, steve davis has one such cue from parris.
I think you should hold on to your slang because you're not at home and this is a public forum but I guess that's the best you can speak.
I sold and traded close to 100 cues on here and had some of them the ferrules changed and that never damaged the sale. However I will not buy cues with shafts retapered or diameter changed from the builder original specs. A lighter ferrule will also cause less deflection.
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I think we have to respect the sellers Thread ....That's why the seller mentiond "will accept reasonable offer" means you will offer to the seller what you think the price of this cue...if the seller don't accept your offer then move on and find your cue to your liking...BUMP for a nice cue :thumbup:
I'm gonna pull out the ladle one more time and stir the pot.... as I find this thread pretty entertaining.:wink: And besides, Cuetip is getting free exposure by bumping....
I really wish it hadn't turned into a brass ferrules are better thing though, which is all opinion and personal preference. (Feel free to debate but in a new thread please)
I really like Wity's car analogy. Sure, common sense suggests that changing the radio should not change the car. However, by your own admission and others changing the ferrule changed the feel of the stroke. Softer hit, less deflection etc. So it's like installing say a racing suspension. Now if it was a Ford Pinto that might be a good thing.
However, the name John Parris caries a price premium (for whatever reason) A better analogy would be a '67 Mustang. Would that be worth more with the original factory suspension or with a new sport tuned suspension? I bet everybody can answer that question!
How about if that suspension was installed by Joe Sixpack, rather than a certified Ford Mechanic? Do you trust that the wheels won't come off on the next speed bump?
I'm not saying the Cuetip doesn't know his craft. I'm sure he does, very few people can replace a ferrule themselves! But it's not attached to John Parris name nor warranty (nor price premium).
Everybody telling us to leave the thread alone didn't read that there were legitimate questions. How much does such a cue go for? What's up with the ferrule? What is a reasonable offer? According to cuetip himself he will accept any reasonable offer over $600. See here ->http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=16752
It is human nature to value something more than what the market value truly is, because you own it; it was yours. Nor is it important what you personally paid for it and would like to recoup that investment. You can buy a new JP of his website for $376, or you can buy this one (or keep looking). $250 is a fair price, considering the crack in the butt (that really is damage no matter how you spin it) and the replaced ferrule. Wity's 200 quid is in the same price range.
Thus ends the service announcement to fellow snooker sub-forum members.
I really wish it hadn't turned into a brass ferrules are better thing though, which is all opinion and personal preference. (Feel free to debate but in a new thread please)
I really like Wity's car analogy. Sure, common sense suggests that changing the radio should not change the car. However, by your own admission and others changing the ferrule changed the feel of the stroke. Softer hit, less deflection etc. So it's like installing say a racing suspension. Now if it was a Ford Pinto that might be a good thing.
However, the name John Parris caries a price premium (for whatever reason) A better analogy would be a '67 Mustang. Would that be worth more with the original factory suspension or with a new sport tuned suspension? I bet everybody can answer that question!
How about if that suspension was installed by Joe Sixpack, rather than a certified Ford Mechanic? Do you trust that the wheels won't come off on the next speed bump?
I'm not saying the Cuetip doesn't know his craft. I'm sure he does, very few people can replace a ferrule themselves! But it's not attached to John Parris name nor warranty (nor price premium).
Everybody telling us to leave the thread alone didn't read that there were legitimate questions. How much does such a cue go for? What's up with the ferrule? What is a reasonable offer? According to cuetip himself he will accept any reasonable offer over $600. See here ->http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=16752
It is human nature to value something more than what the market value truly is, because you own it; it was yours. Nor is it important what you personally paid for it and would like to recoup that investment. You can buy a new JP of his website for $376, or you can buy this one (or keep looking). $250 is a fair price, considering the crack in the butt (that really is damage no matter how you spin it) and the replaced ferrule. Wity's 200 quid is in the same price range.
Thus ends the service announcement to fellow snooker sub-forum members.