I Can't Afford a Justis Case

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Eric. said:
The difference is that if you are as meticulous and anal as you portray, you would NEVER put a pin in to bounce off the bottom of the case, dig a hole in the case, bend, etc. If anything, that is careless and reckless, not meticulous and anal. As soon as you realized the butt isn't held in there tightly and can move freely, should have been the last time you put it in pin first.

And, if you are that careless to put a butt, pin down with no joint protectors, into a case where the butt moves freely, then I have to believe you could have carelessly chipped your cue butt without realizing it.

I still have my doubts about the whole story.


Eric >over and out
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So you have doubts about my story...I guess you have doubts about Fatboys story, and the stories that John Barton has recieved....we must all be conspiring against Justis cases......

Its a Conspiracy I tell ya :thumbup:

And for the record..when this did happen...first thing I did when I got home was pull the cues out of the case and put them in my tube case. I had this case a total of maybe 2 weeks...and it sat in the corner for 5-6 days with nothing in it..So yea, guess I did make a mistake by putting them in the Justis pin down, and by doing that, the cue got a nick on it somehow in transit between Tulsa and Muskogee while laying in the back seat of my truck...and no, the case didnt fall on the floorboard.

Im obviously not as bright as you, and for me making a mistake..I apologise
 
ftgokie said:
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So you have doubts about my story...I guess you have doubts about Fatboys story, and the stories that John Barton has recieved....we must all be conspiring against Justis cases......

Its a Conspiracy I tell ya :thumbup:
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Deflect all you want, but THAT is the reason many posters, here, have doubts about some of the tales you tell. Add me to the list.


Eric >done
 
Originally Posted by Jack Justis
What reputation?

It's not a false accusation if you have accurate information to back it up.

Would you like for me to post the PM wherein stating you had no problem copying my case design and planned on importing them soon??? You didn't forget about this, did you John?

True to your word you followed thru by exactly copying my case and calling it "Jay Flowers Tribute" case. I see now that it is no longer called "Jay Flowers Tribute" but just "Jay Flowers". How do you explain this?.




John Barton said:
No, if you truly want to start it all again then post your PM. The FACT is that you had ZERO idea if it was true or not when you posted it.
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Well, John are you now saying you were lying to your customer when you told him you had no problem copying my case and had planned on importing the copies soon anyway? Say your denying this and I will post the PM you sent to refresh your memory. That was the reason why I became to really dislike you.

The case line I am making is called the J.Flowers Tribute Series and if it is not called that somewhere on my website then it is a misprint that I didn't catch. They are not called "Jay Flowers" anywhere on my site.[/QUOTE]

Well, thats not what they are calling them on your #1 dealer web site. It looks likE "JAY FLOWERS" to me.

http://www.indyq.com/cases/jay_flowers/index.html

And I told you in email during our conversations that I intended to to do this line long before you made your accusations.

Yes you did. Your a man of your word.

The fact is that you made a public accusation based on information that you could not possibly know if it were true that it even came from me. You didn't give me the PRIVATE chance to resolve it as you are now demanding that Ftgokie give you.

Oh, I know it was true because you signed your name at the bottom of the PM. How smart was that??

I believe that you would continue to deny that a cue could possibly be damaged while in your case and so you would deny responsibility.

I refuse to reply due to the stupidity of your statemnt.

But you know what?

No more negativity.

That statement means nothing due to the number of times your have reneged on it.


As late as 2006 you and I were friends. When we had the Fury skybox you asked jokingly if "old case makers were allowed" and I warmly invited you and Barb to come up and you did come up for a little while.

I regret that to this day.;)

I am not even really sure where we got crossways - maybe you just got tired of me saying my interiors are "better" than yours.

Good guess, among many other things.

But in the end you are my elder, you deserve my respect. I have always looked up to you and you do build some drop dead gorgeous cases.

Yes I am and yes I do but you don't give me very much. :D

I am tired of feeling hurt over what you did to me. I think that you know deep down that it was uncalled for. I am dropping it from my life though right now.

Hopefully, you have learned your lesson.;):smile:


You do your thing and I will do mine. People who buy your cases know what they have and people who buy mine know what they have.

There you go.:thumbup:


I'd have handled Ftgokie's experience differently because I know that it's always possible that a cue can somehow get damaged while in one of my cases despite the fact that I do my best to minimize that occurrence.

I would have handled it different also had I been given the opportunity in the beginning.

Best to you and Barbra,

How many times do I have to tell you her name is not Barbara, its TOOTS.

Anyway, I'm not really mad at you now even though you still try and provoke me whenever you get the chance. I think you might have improved slightly since you became a daddy.;)


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John Barton said:
Like you contacted me before you made a false accusation in an attempt to tarnish my reputation?

You could have sent me an email and told me that you had received some information you didn't like and asked me to clarify it but instead you chose to post it online and use it to falsely accuse me of something I did not do.

Despite the fact that we had known each other for so long and always been cordial and friendly and despite the fact that I sent you emails alerting you the fact that others were copying you and despite the fact that I even brought customers to your booth several times over the years you couldn't give me the same courtesy that you expect from a complete stranger to you.

I never received an apology for that and I know that I never will.

Meanwhile your customer J&J has made and sells that COPY of your case for many years. Your new partner Long Chan, was copying your case long before you sold them the right to your name.

Be completely honest here Jack, what would you have done if Ftgokie had called you the moment that he noticed the nick and felt that it had happened while in your case?

You obviously feel that it's impossible for anything to happen to a cue while in your case so what would you have told him?

You are calling him a liar in public now. So you are saying you would have handled it differently in private then tell us what you would have done.
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What happened to laying the "AZ crack pipe down"?


this is exactly the kind of posts that has caused the decline in quality that once made AZ a great place to talk about pool. And John your very smart and can write much better than me, why not thake that talent and energy and do something positive with it? Do you really think this is going to help your biz or harm Jacks? Let it go man.
 
Fatboy said:
What happened to laying the "AZ crack pipe down"?


this is exactly the kind of posts that has caused the decline in quality that once made AZ a great place to talk about pool. And John your very smart and can write much better than me, why not thake that talent and energy and do something positive with it? Do you really think this is going to help your biz or harm Jacks? Let it go man.
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Hey Eric,

Don't worry about it......Johns harmless most of the time.:smile:

I apreciate you bringing Fgotie up to date about your cue.
 
Eric. said:
You really don't dabble in common sense or reality, huh?

Think about it...if you don't have joint protectors, and you KNOW that the butt sits in the case loose enough to bounce up and down, WHAT PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND PUTS IT IN PIN DOWN, WITH NO JOINT PROTECTORS?


Eric >that says it all
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I would not put my cue in joint down ever!
 
Fatboy said:
What happened to laying the "AZ crack pipe down"?


this is exactly the kind of posts that has caused the decline in quality that once made AZ a great place to talk about pool. And John your very smart and can write much better than me, why not thake that talent and energy and do something positive with it? Do you really think this is going to help your biz or harm Jacks? Let it go man.
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I just did let it go. I am at peace now over the whole thing. As for the AZ crack pipe. I am trying to shake it man, trying to shake it, you know man if you just give Pookie a chance man I can shake it...I can shake it I know I can.
 
Dear Jack,

Just to be clear about the nature of the internet, if someone sends you anything and claims someone "said" it then you really have no idea if it's true or not as emails and pms are easily faked.

I can understand that you were upset when you read that I said I would also import the same case that your customer J&J has been importing for many many years prior. It was a situation where your now partner Long Chan had offered it for general sale to all customers and that is how it came to be in my hands. Although I never seriously intended to buy this case from Long Chan, especially when I make cases, I did in fact tell someone in a PM who asked where to buy that copy of your cases, in anger that I would be importing them, primarily because I did not want to send that prospective customer to J&J.

However you did not know if this was true and you could have simply sent me an email as you requested of Ftgokie in a similar situation and we could have discussed it.

Then, if unsatisified with my answer you could have still made your accusation along with my unsatsifactory answer.

I really hope that on some level you can understand my frustration with this whole situation. You accuse me of actually importing an existing copy of your cases that was actually being made for a long time by a company that you deal with. That company has been selling that case to J&J and anyone else who wants them for many years. So you must have known this. Yet you still sell your original cases to J&J.

Where my frustration comes in is not even that you made this hasty accusation. It's that the company you are now partners with has stolen an estimated $10 million dollars in revenue from me and Instroke due to the enormous amount of direct knockoffs of my Instroke cases that they have sold starting in 1997 and continuing today. I found that to be too much too take Jack and have carried this frustration around for a decade. It consumed a lot of my energy to compete against this design theft. So when you accused me of design theft and then partnered up with the company that has ripped me off for so much it really tipped me over the edge. That has manifested into bitterness that feels like a sick obsession sometimes. I was advised by another friend to just get over it earlier this year and although it's hard, that is exactly what I have to do.

So now, I am coming up on two and half years of a successful rebirth of my case making. My portfolio is full of great imaginative cases and I should celebrate that. In addition to being able to create what I want I have been given incredible opportunities to make my versions of real iconic cases such as the Fellini and Flowers cases. I have the most incredible wife, a true miracle in our new daughter Jessie and the best team helping me make the cases of my dreams that I could wish for. On top of all that I get paid to be picky about the quality of Stelring Gaming's products and to develop other products for Sterling Gaming.

There is honestly nothing more in my life that I want right now except inner peace and that comes only by letting go of all the things in my past that have happened to me that I still think about.

As for Roy mistyping the J.Flowers brand name as Jay Flowers it was an honest mistake on his part and will be corrected shortly. However you need to understand just for the purpose of keeping the discussion accurate that there never was a "Jay Flowers" brand of case. The brand that Jay used was J.E.F. Q Cases.

I don't recall that you have ever corrected me about Toots' preference and despite our long acquaintance I have never felt familiar enough with you and her to use that name. As you wish I will refer to your wife as Toots.

Best to you and Toots. Tell her that I find computer Scrabble is really hard to beat and humbling.
 
NewStroke said:
can you all recommend a good leather 2x4 case to carry my cues in?
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You will laugh but one of my favorite cases is a 3 x 5 sold by Action/ Elite. It is made of some type heavy duty cloth/ vinyl with nice molded rubber handles. Sells for between $79- $120. IMHO one of the best buys out there. It has that cool understated look, yet is very functional.
 
APA Gene said:
You will laugh but one of my favorite cases is a 3 x 5 sold by Action/ Elite. It is made of some type heavy duty cloth/ vinyl with nice molded rubber handles. Sells for between $79- $120. IMHO one of the best buys out there. It has that cool understated look, yet is very functional.
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Functional, and work well like a Chevrolet Work Truck, some want to have a Roll Royce, and if they can pay the freight, so great for them.
 
I cant afford a Justis case

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