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Spray Automotive clear coat? - 09-22-2009, 09:35 AM

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I saw today in a accesories car store a automotive clear coat but in Spray format (bottled), expecific for cars, I know that more cuemakers here apply automotive clear coat but in spray-gun,

some cuemaker tested spray atomotive clear coat (bottled)??




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09-22-2009, 09:47 AM

I know a guy that uses that for shafts... For the $$$ youd waste there id just buy a cheap touch up gun and a compressor and a gallon and be done... The "booth" would be the same youre still applying...
  
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09-22-2009, 10:19 AM

The big problem with the consumer stuff is that it is solvent based, one-part finish.

So, like Shellac from the by-gone era, the solvent evaporates leaving the solids behind.

The 'real' auto finishes are (typically) catalyzed acrylic urethanes that are essentially a two-part epoxy that is thinned to spray.

It still has solvent in it to thin it out; however the 'drying' is actually a 'curing' process wherein the 'epoxy' reacts and sets into a solid.

This is a superior finish in just about every way as compared to solvent-based finishes.

One-part finishes have to be applied in VERY thin coats, and allowed to dry thoroughly between coats. It can take a few weeks to apply a solvent finish (I did a lot of Nitrocellulose Lacquer finishes on guitars so I know this first-hand) as opposed to a few hours to apply a two-part finish. As an added time saver, the two-part finish can be blocked the following morning in most cases.


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Clear coat - 09-22-2009, 10:42 AM

[QUOTE=fiolledapool;2022956]hi,

I saw today in a accesories car store a automotive clear coat but in Spray format (bottled), expecific for cars, I know that more cuemakers here apply automotive clear coat but in spray-gun,

some cuemaker tested spray atomotive clear coat (bottled)??

I used some several years ago which I got from a friend of mine who owns a body shop specializing in Mercedes. It was approved by MBZ for touch-ups
and worked great on cues. The cost was $100 for 6 cans, probably enough to do 12 to 18 cues. I don't have any more of it but I think it was called Clearcoat #1. I stopped using it because of the health hazards as I do not have a spray booth.


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09-22-2009, 11:33 AM

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I used some several years ago which I got from a friend of mine who owns a body shop specializing in Mercedes. It was approved by MBZ for touch-ups
and worked great on cues. The cost was $100 for 6 cans, probably enough to do 12 to 18 cues. I don't have any more of it but I think it was called Clearcoat #1. I stopped using it because of the health hazards as I do not have a spray booth.
so if you dont have booth What Clear coat have in your cues? Epoxi? water borne?


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09-22-2009, 12:21 PM

Uggh.. That water-based finish (well, the one I tried anyway) was HORRIBLE! Slower than Lacquers to dry; very soft, not a good enough gloss (not for a guitar anyway) that was a big waste of money for us, but we did try it. (Couldn't get high from the fumers either!)

I think I'd rater do a super-glue finish than a water based one. (and I HATE super-glue finish!!)

I had a plastic-sheet "phone booth" with 12 muffin fans mounted in the window for a spray booth. Worked great!


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09-22-2009, 12:52 PM

I dont know, I never try with water-based finish.

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Cue Guru, photos of your spray boothˇˇˇˇ please >I am work in a proyect spray booth also and I need know


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09-22-2009, 02:30 PM

Old spray booth is long gone! (along with the old guitar shop).

New booth is attached...

Basically, I took out a window, cut a piece of 3/4 inch plywood to fit the opening, and drilled a dozen holes in it. To this I mounted 12 muffin fans (computer cooling fans- get them used for FREE most of the time). They each move 100 CFM, so I had 1,200 CFM of air movement.

I built a 2X3 inch frame from floor to ceiling and wrapped it with plastic. Opposite the fans (which were near the ceiling) near the floor I duct taped in a big air duct filter (with that blue fuzzy crap in it) to filter the incoming air of saw dust.

On the ceiling I had a block of 3/4 inch pine with a deck screw and a washer on it. Around the screw and above the washer (poor man's bearing) I twisted a wire coat hangar to support my work and allow me the ability to spin it 360 degrees easily.

Outside the plastic I had several 4 foot fluorescent shop lights hanging, several on each wall for a flood of light in the area. Keep the electrical stuff outside the booth if you can...

Also outside the booth was my compressor and water separator for the air line. I used a VERY cheap 'door jam' gun for spraying. Now a days I have a beautiful SATA that I use for everything....

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[QUOTE=Cue Guru;2023270]Uggh.. That water-based finish (well, the one I tried anyway) was HORRIBLE! Slower than Lacquers to dry; very soft, not a good enough gloss (not for a guitar anyway) that was a big waste of money for us, but we did try it.


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09-23-2009, 04:40 AM

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Old spray booth is long gone! (along with the old guitar shop).

New booth is attached...

Basically, I took out a window, cut a piece of 3/4 inch plywood to fit the opening, and drilled a dozen holes in it. To this I mounted 12 muffin fans (computer cooling fans- get them used for FREE most of the time). They each move 100 CFM, so I had 1,200 CFM of air movement.

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Also outside the booth was my compressor and water separator for the air line. I used a VERY cheap 'door jam' gun for spraying. Now a days I have a beautiful SATA that I use for everything....

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Thanks for the info, but no-thanks. I'll stick with the highly toxic stuff!

I will mention that the newer finishes are WORSE than the older ones to apply. I recently painted a Unimog and that paint was abysmal!!!


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Cue Guru , what is your clear coat methond?


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thanks for sharing

You're quite welcome!

If I was doing a dedicated cue spray area, it would be MUCH smaller, but along the same idea...


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Cue Guru , what is your clear coat methond?

What exactly are you asking? The specific materials I use, or the procedure, both?

Anyway, I sand to a very smooth finish- but not glossy... around 400 I stop sanding.

On guitars I used a sanding sealer; I think it was from the maker of my Nitrocellulose lacquer but I'm not 100% on that. Then the clear. On the first cue I just piled on the automotive clear. (free tip: flexible parts additive to the clear can reduce cracking a lot!!!)

Once set (the next day) I begin the blocking process. On guitars it began with 400 wet, 600 wet, 1000 wet, 1500 wet and then the buffing process.

Coarse buff, fine buff. Then (once smell is completely gone) glaze, then finally wax (One Grand wax).

On the cue I did my sanding dry on the lathe with full sheets of paper as the cue spun. This has the same effect as wet sanding with a block- it gets the finish totally level, which is absolutely required to get a high gloss (reflectivity) from it. It takes a while but it's worth it. You can clearly see every little (and big) imperfection in my cue now!


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Thanks for the info, but no-thanks. I'll stick with the highly toxic stuff!

I will mention that the newer finishes are WORSE than the older ones to apply. I recently painted a Unimog and that paint was abysmal!!!
This forum is entitled "Ask The Cuemaker" for a reason; that being so that a person can ask a question and get an answer from someone who knows what they are talking about. You Sir Are Not A Cuemaker yet you keep on implying that you are.

Nobody here cares about guitar making (there is probably a forum for that) so please take that information to the forum it would be appreciated.

As to water based finished - I have been using them for a few years and as my experience grew with them the finishes became better and better. Now I use the "Finish Cure 20 minute epoxy (includes resin & hardener)" from Prather Cue and a couple coats of water based finish from General Finishes. The finish on my cues is fine. It is clear and hard yet not brittle.

Please don't mislead thase inexperienced cuemakers with your wrong information.


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