Shawn Putnam for "Mosconi Cup"
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funny thing, that was exactly my intention
Funny thing, giving Shawn a break was exactly my intention as I made plain in my PM'ed reply to him before reading the slap he was posting in public while smoozing up to me in private.
He is only the third member of AZB to play that game in over four years. That puts him in the same group as a pair of extremely unstable people. I don't know that Shawn is unstable but I now have my suspicions and I genuinely want the best Mosconi Cup team we can put together. Shawn looks like a weak link as a team player now and his mental game is suspect in my mind. I'll still vote for him if he is the best electable option much like voting for the lesser evil in political elections but his behavior yesterday evening confirms for me my thoughts that he is a poor candidate for the team.
Charlie Bryant seems to be an outsider and he is a bit of an unknown but I have a gut feeling based on the man and player he has became in recent years that Charlie might be the best addition to the team. Rodney is the safe bet, Donny is popular right now after an outstanding US Open that he might have been one scratch on the break away from winning.
I like the wild card the more I think about it, gonna be hard not to vote for Charlie.
Hu
Funny thing, giving Shawn a break was exactly my intention as I made plain in my PM'ed reply to him before reading the slap he was posting in public while smoozing up to me in private.
He is only the third member of AZB to play that game in over four years. That puts him in the same group as a pair of extremely unstable people. I don't know that Shawn is unstable but I now have my suspicions and I genuinely want the best Mosconi Cup team we can put together. Shawn looks like a weak link as a team player now and his mental game is suspect in my mind. I'll still vote for him if he is the best electable option much like voting for the lesser evil in political elections but his behavior yesterday evening confirms for me my thoughts that he is a poor candidate for the team.
Charlie Bryant seems to be an outsider and he is a bit of an unknown but I have a gut feeling based on the man and player he has became in recent years that Charlie might be the best addition to the team. Rodney is the safe bet, Donny is popular right now after an outstanding US Open that he might have been one scratch on the break away from winning.
I like the wild card the more I think about it, gonna be hard not to vote for Charlie.
Hu
I think self promoting is acceptable, especially for an event with the prestige of the Mosconi. Bubba is sticking his neck out by coming here and taking the criticism and accolades he deserves. I think the guys hiding behind the keyboards don't have a clue whats it like to be on here for interogation and then repsond in such a manner that it please the critic. Good luck Bubba!!
The same could be said about politicians. Shawn's a good guy who's just stating his case here. He's been active in this forum for years and I don't feel it's inappropriate for him to ask his fellow AZB'ers for some support. It's up to you who you vote for, but I don't see any reason to knock Shawn for asking those who are voting to consider him!
just more hot air!
Sherm
I have met Shawn a couple of times and he doesn't remember me from Adam, but always treated me like a friend. You have my vote.
While this doesn't really make me want to vote for him, I don't think hes out of line at all. He has a right as a poster here to state his case.
I don't think Rodney will be one of the candidates. I heard from a pretty reliable source. Dennis Hatch will be, and so will Shawn and Charley Bryant as far as I know now. Eight candidates total.
I don't see a problem with Shawn coming on here and asking for support. I think anyone on the list should be willing to post on these sites. Not only to give us a chance to get to know them, but maybe offer some advice here and there. Like Max Eberle did when asking for support earlier this year. While I did think the Earl comment was a little out of line it wasn't that terrible. Shawn is one of the few pro's that visit this site frequently and post along with JS and a few others. We should try and show some support for these guys instead of bashing them at first chance.
I don't know who the 8 will be but I'm sure most if not all would make a fine addition to the team. Whether it's Shawn, Rodney or anyone else. JMHO
And I'm biased. Since I play lefty I'm probably voting for a lefty.
I don't know who the 8 will be but I'm sure most if not all would make a fine addition to the team. Whether it's Shawn, Rodney or anyone else. JMHO
And I'm biased. Since I play lefty I'm probably voting for a lefty.
This thread has helped in its own inadvertent way
Folks:
Even though my earlier reply to "stuckintampa"'s FOURTH bump was meant entirely tongue-in-cheek, I gotta say I'm behind Hu on this one. And although I didn't mention it in my post (for obvious "not-wanting-to-muddy-the-tongue-in-cheek-waters" reasons), I thought the same thing that Hu did when I read Shawn's thread-initiating first post. At the very least, it was entirely opportunistic and parasitic at both Earl and his fans' expense; at the very worst, it can be interpreted as heckling both Earl and his fans.
Hu's timeline (post #29) makes a very compelling case, to those what will put aside any Shawn bias for a brief moment and actually read it and digest it. There can be no excuse for someone to write you a private message saying one thing, then 18 minutes later post a rather critical and retaliatory reply in public, then in private "flip" to the "nice guy" side again. I'm no psychologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this seems to me to be indicative of instability at the very least. At the very worst, it can be indicative of someone who's out for himself at all times -- not a team player. At least with Earl, if you're on his bad side, you KNOW IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE, in public for all to see, as well as if you approach him in private -- no difference in treatment. He doesn't play "nice guy" or "good cop, bad cop" games.
I'd rather see someone make it to the team that is a true team player, and won't play "out for himself" glory games. Every time I've EVER bumped into Charlie B., he's always been a humble gentleman. And, every time I've ever heard Charlie B. speak in public, with as much as I like to chide him about his drawl (which I do in person to him, btw -- he's a fun guy to clown around with), he's always got his best foot forward. Professional at all times. No games. And a hard-working player to boot!
For sheer firepower though, Dennis Hatch has *got* to be considered as well. One of the most naturally gifted players, that doesn't practice all that much (as compared to other players, that is), but has the natural howitzer shot-making ability when he needs it. The only issue with *any* of the fifth player candidates that I can see, is can they handle the pressure of playing -- with their team, not for themselves -- for the Mosconi Cup? (The pressure of having to play well for your team is more than playing for oneself, IMHO.)
I'm mulling about my choices, but this thread has helped me filter out at least one candidate.
Respectfully,
-Sean
Folks:
Even though my earlier reply to "stuckintampa"'s FOURTH bump was meant entirely tongue-in-cheek, I gotta say I'm behind Hu on this one. And although I didn't mention it in my post (for obvious "not-wanting-to-muddy-the-tongue-in-cheek-waters" reasons), I thought the same thing that Hu did when I read Shawn's thread-initiating first post. At the very least, it was entirely opportunistic and parasitic at both Earl and his fans' expense; at the very worst, it can be interpreted as heckling both Earl and his fans.
Hu's timeline (post #29) makes a very compelling case, to those what will put aside any Shawn bias for a brief moment and actually read it and digest it. There can be no excuse for someone to write you a private message saying one thing, then 18 minutes later post a rather critical and retaliatory reply in public, then in private "flip" to the "nice guy" side again. I'm no psychologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this seems to me to be indicative of instability at the very least. At the very worst, it can be indicative of someone who's out for himself at all times -- not a team player. At least with Earl, if you're on his bad side, you KNOW IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE, in public for all to see, as well as if you approach him in private -- no difference in treatment. He doesn't play "nice guy" or "good cop, bad cop" games.
I'd rather see someone make it to the team that is a true team player, and won't play "out for himself" glory games. Every time I've EVER bumped into Charlie B., he's always been a humble gentleman. And, every time I've ever heard Charlie B. speak in public, with as much as I like to chide him about his drawl (which I do in person to him, btw -- he's a fun guy to clown around with), he's always got his best foot forward. Professional at all times. No games. And a hard-working player to boot!
For sheer firepower though, Dennis Hatch has *got* to be considered as well. One of the most naturally gifted players, that doesn't practice all that much (as compared to other players, that is), but has the natural howitzer shot-making ability when he needs it. The only issue with *any* of the fifth player candidates that I can see, is can they handle the pressure of playing -- with their team, not for themselves -- for the Mosconi Cup? (The pressure of having to play well for your team is more than playing for oneself, IMHO.)
I'm mulling about my choices, but this thread has helped me filter out at least one candidate.
Respectfully,
-Sean
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Jay, sometimes we need to keep information to ourselves. Nowadays, sources are not totally reliable, and could sometimes make us look like jacka$$es.
Rodney has been a former USA Mosconi team member and has a legit reason to believe he will be listed, and that he could get voted in.
try two or three times a week face to face
For several years I met dozens of my fans and unfans immediately after an event two or three times a week nine months out of the year. Good event or bad, raw deal or not, win, lose, whatever happened I had to be a professional a few minutes later, live and face to face with no buffer of a keyboard and internet and no pause to consider answers like you can take on this forum. I'm not hiding behind a keyboard and I'm not exactly clueless when it comes to dealing with the public concerning my performance.
Anyone that can't handle someone posting as mildly as I have on the internet certainly isn't up to the heat that the european Mosconi Cup fans routinely dish out live and in your face during competition.
On your other point you are absolutely right in my opinion, I think Shawn and anyone else has every right to come on here and request our votes. I didn't see that as anything wrong in itself. Poor timing to post the other gloating post and then ask for votes after laughing at many of the forum members according to his own post. I'm sure you do know what LOL means?
Hu
For several years I met dozens of my fans and unfans immediately after an event two or three times a week nine months out of the year. Good event or bad, raw deal or not, win, lose, whatever happened I had to be a professional a few minutes later, live and face to face with no buffer of a keyboard and internet and no pause to consider answers like you can take on this forum. I'm not hiding behind a keyboard and I'm not exactly clueless when it comes to dealing with the public concerning my performance.
Anyone that can't handle someone posting as mildly as I have on the internet certainly isn't up to the heat that the european Mosconi Cup fans routinely dish out live and in your face during competition.
On your other point you are absolutely right in my opinion, I think Shawn and anyone else has every right to come on here and request our votes. I didn't see that as anything wrong in itself. Poor timing to post the other gloating post and then ask for votes after laughing at many of the forum members according to his own post. I'm sure you do know what LOL means?
Hu
Never accused you personally of hiding behind a keyboard, and I agree with your other points. But I don't think SP is begging but instead asking for support. If he chooses to bash a fellow pro, then people will use that in making their choice either favorable or not. And apparently you have used that issue in making an educated decision. Good for you.
9ballGOD
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I couldnt agree more Sean. And I also agree that this thread has helped me decide on who not to vote for. I have a pretty heavy backer now, and I would even consider trying my luck at this for next year. I think it would be such a wonderful honor to represent our country in the Mosconi Cup. Whoever gets the spot should feel very honored.
Shane
I personally believe that it's bad form for anyone to be on this thread bashing a professional players request for an opportunity to reach a pinnacle in his pool career. Seems some people have let their forum reputation points cloud their self-important judgement. To question his mental stability from just a few post made, makes me question the mental stability of the accuser.
I've spoke with Shawn in person at the Derby and he came across as a very level headed individual. He is a top 10 American player who suffers from diabetes, which I believe only started recently effecting him recently in the last few years. He has not let that prevent him from continuing to play the game at an elite level. And here he is just asking for an opportunity on the most popular pool forum for which he is a member of, requesting votes for an online voting process. Sounds like an awfully smart idea to me. And for someone to highjack shawns thread and question his mental stability is completely uncalled for.
This irritated me so much I typed this on my iPhone. Get a life you keyboard warrior never-was-beens.
I've spoke with Shawn in person at the Derby and he came across as a very level headed individual. He is a top 10 American player who suffers from diabetes, which I believe only started recently effecting him recently in the last few years. He has not let that prevent him from continuing to play the game at an elite level. And here he is just asking for an opportunity on the most popular pool forum for which he is a member of, requesting votes for an online voting process. Sounds like an awfully smart idea to me. And for someone to highjack shawns thread and question his mental stability is completely uncalled for.
This irritated me so much I typed this on my iPhone. Get a life you keyboard warrior never-was-beens.
then there are those that that fire away in ignorance
Rep points have zero to do with anything, . . . well that is except for bugging people like you! :grin:
The respect of my peers, that is a different story and the real reason my words carry weight. If my words didn't carry weight neither you or Shawn would care what I wrote.
Since you have only seen the public messages Shawn has posted you haven't seen the massive flip-flops he has pulled in a few minutes time. That either makes him a snake or less than stable since he flip-flopped not once but twice in about thirty minutes. I don't know why he did such a thing but it really doesn't matter. If he shows the same type of behavior at the Mosconi Cup it will harm the team. It doesn't matter if the cause is blood sugar, as squirrelly as the other two people that have done the same as he did, or the other reasons we all know can cause these things. When we compete the BS stops and all that matters is how we perform. Excuses, even legitimate reasons for poor performance, don't change the results. I believe Earl has a legitimate medical problem too, that doesn't change the facts concerning his performance or behavior.
Shawn asked for votes, I told him I wouldn't be voting for him and why. Shawn sent me a nice PM apologizing for his "Earl" post and trying to explain it away while asking for my vote again. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and told him to post something similar in public that I could respond to and I would, smoothing things over a bit. The slap he posted in public didn't resemble his PM in any way shape or form. I gave him hours to see if that was really what he wanted to post. Apparently it was so I responded appropriately.
How many posts have I placed in this thread? Without Shawn and his friends or fanatics stirring the pot I would have posted once and been done or even only twice with the second post giving him the benefit of the doubt although I was still skeptical reviewing the past threads of Big Bubba the Love Sponge. Nothing but class! When folks throw rocks at others they shouldn't do it from inside a glass house.
It takes all kinds to make a forum including the sexual intellectuals like yourself. Far from offending me "Get a life you keyboard warrior never-was-beens" made me laugh. You are as clueless concerning what I have accomplished in my life as you are in this thread.
Hu
Rep points have zero to do with anything, . . . well that is except for bugging people like you! :grin:
The respect of my peers, that is a different story and the real reason my words carry weight. If my words didn't carry weight neither you or Shawn would care what I wrote.
Since you have only seen the public messages Shawn has posted you haven't seen the massive flip-flops he has pulled in a few minutes time. That either makes him a snake or less than stable since he flip-flopped not once but twice in about thirty minutes. I don't know why he did such a thing but it really doesn't matter. If he shows the same type of behavior at the Mosconi Cup it will harm the team. It doesn't matter if the cause is blood sugar, as squirrelly as the other two people that have done the same as he did, or the other reasons we all know can cause these things. When we compete the BS stops and all that matters is how we perform. Excuses, even legitimate reasons for poor performance, don't change the results. I believe Earl has a legitimate medical problem too, that doesn't change the facts concerning his performance or behavior.
Shawn asked for votes, I told him I wouldn't be voting for him and why. Shawn sent me a nice PM apologizing for his "Earl" post and trying to explain it away while asking for my vote again. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and told him to post something similar in public that I could respond to and I would, smoothing things over a bit. The slap he posted in public didn't resemble his PM in any way shape or form. I gave him hours to see if that was really what he wanted to post. Apparently it was so I responded appropriately.
How many posts have I placed in this thread? Without Shawn and his friends or fanatics stirring the pot I would have posted once and been done or even only twice with the second post giving him the benefit of the doubt although I was still skeptical reviewing the past threads of Big Bubba the Love Sponge. Nothing but class! When folks throw rocks at others they shouldn't do it from inside a glass house.
It takes all kinds to make a forum including the sexual intellectuals like yourself. Far from offending me "Get a life you keyboard warrior never-was-beens" made me laugh. You are as clueless concerning what I have accomplished in my life as you are in this thread.
Hu