Des Moines, IA Ten Ball Tourney(9ft Diamonds) at Big Dogs on March 13th

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Ten Ball Tournament Information for Saturday, March 13th @3PM for break contest and tournament to begin right after!

We are going to use the WPA World Ten Ball Rules for this tournament. In other words it will be just like we are all used to, with the exception you must call ball and pocket or a safety. If you go for a shot and don’t execute it, the incoming player will have the option to take the table as it lies or make you keep shooting, NO SLOP!!!!

Green Fees will be the same old $5 we are now pretty used to paying.

Tables: We will use the Big Diamond Pro Am tables for this one. Please try to shoot in a timely fashion so we can keep this show on the road!

Watching the hit: Get me or someone else you trust to watch the hit. We had numerous times during the One Pocket tournament where we had to watch hits and I think we got it right most of the time.

It’s a race to 7, please lag for break and not flip a coin. Remember this is Winner breaks, so be the first one at the table!
Format:
 Race to 7
 Single Elimination ($15 buy in)
 Buy-In Option ($10 rebuy if you choose to exercise it)
 WPA Ten Ball Rules
 Winner Breaks


From WPA Site
Ten ball is a call shot game played with ten object balls numbered one through ten and the cue ball. The balls are played in ascending numerical order and the lowest numbered ball must be contacted by the cue ball in order to establish a legal hit. If the ten ball is pocketed on a legal break shot, it will be spotted and the player continues with his inning. Only one ball may be called on each shot, except on the break shot where no ball may be called. (See 9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls).


9.1 Determining the Break
The player who wins the lag chooses who will break the first rack. (See 1.2 Lagging to Determine Order of Play.) The standard format is to alternate the break, but see Regulation 15, Subsequent Break Shots.


9.2 Ten Ball Rack
The object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a triangular shape, with the one ball at the apex ofthe triangle and on the foot spot and the ten ball in the middle of the triangle. The other balls will be placed in the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern. (See Regulation 4, Racking / Tapping of Balls.) To enforce this the 2 and 3 balls will be placed at the corners of the rack.


9.3 Legal Break Shot
The following rules apply to the break shot:
(a) the cue ball begins in hand behind the head string; and
(b) if no ball is pocketed, at least four object balls must be driven to one or more rails, or the shot is a foul.
(See Regulation 17, Open Break Requirements.)
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9.4 Second Shot of the Rack – Push Out
If no foul is committed on the break shot, the shooter may choose to play a “push out” as his shot. He must make his intention known to the referee, and then rules 6.2 Wrong Ball First and 6.3 No Rail after Contact are suspended for the shot. If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next. The ten ball pocketed during a Push Out is spotted, without penalty.

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9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant.

For a called shot to count, the referee must be satisfied that the intended shot was made, so if there is any chance of confusion, e.g. with bank, combination and similar shots, the shooter should indicate the ball and pocket. If the referee or opponent is unsure of the shot to be played, he may ask for a call.

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9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)

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9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls
If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.

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9.8 Continuing Play
If the shooter legally pockets a called/nominated ball on a shot (except a push out, see 9.4 Second Shot of the Rack – Push Out), any additional balls pocketed remain pocketed (except the ten ball; see 9.9 Spotting Balls), and he continues at the table for the next shot. If he legally pockets the called ten ball on any shot (except a push out), he wins the rack. If the shooter fails to pocket the called ball or fouls, play passes to the other player, and if no foul was committed, the incoming player must play the
cue ball from the position left by the other player.


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9.9 Spotting Balls
If the ten ball is pocketed on a foul a push out or during the break shot, or without calling it, or accidentally in the wrong pocket, or driven off the table, it is spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) No other object ball is ever spotted.

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9.10 Standard Fouls
If the shooter commits a standard foul, play passes to his opponent. The cue ball is in hand, and the incoming player may place it anywhere on the playing surface. (See 1.5 Cue Ball in Hand)

The following are standard fouls at ten ball:

6.1 Cue Ball Scratch or off the Table
6.2 Wrong Ball First The first object ball contacted by the cue ball on each shot must be the lowest-numbered ball remaining on the table.
6.3 No Rail after Contact
6.4 No Foot on Floor
6.5 Ball Driven off the Table The only jumped object ball that is spotted is the ten.
6.6 Touched Ball
6.7 Double Hit / Frozen Balls
6.8 Push Shot
6.9 Balls Still Moving
6.10 Bad Cue Ball Placement
6.12 Cue Stick on the Table
6.13 Playing out of Turn
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Other Ways to win money on the 13th!

-An optional sidepot can be bought in to. ($20) – Players electing for the side pot are encouraged to sell half of themselves for $10 to someone else but are not required to. Cheaper than a Calcutta and a good way for people to stick around and have something to sweat.

- 10-Ball Break Contest: $5/try winner take all pot. Ronnie won $165 last time and it lasted about 40 minutes!!! We will start the break contest about 3PM and the tourney to begin right after.

- 10-Ball Break and Run Contest: If I can sell some raffle tickets this time we will do it, if not, we won’t!!!!

We usually are able to all have a good time at these Saturday tournaments and hopefully that tradition will continue. I think it’s a fun time where you can win a few pesos and get to watch everyone play and sweat the matches. If only 3 of you show up, then we are still playing!!!!!
 

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Mike...not trying to argue and this has probably been covered over and over in the other (10-ball) threads, but I question your statement here:

"We are going to use the WPA World Ten Ball Rules for this tournament. In other words it will be just like we are all used to, with the exception you must call ball and pocket or a safety. If you go for a shot and don’t execute it, the incoming player will have the option to take the table as it lies or make you keep shooting, NO SLOP!!!!"

Please note Rule 9.8 as you have included:

9.8 Continuing Play
If the shooter legally pockets a called/nominated ball on a shot (except a push out, see 9.4 Second Shot of the Rack – Push Out), any additional balls pocketed remain pocketed (except the ten ball; see 9.9 Spotting Balls), and he continues at the table for the next shot. If he legally pockets the called ten ball on any shot (except a push out), he wins the rack. If the shooter fails to pocket the called ball or fouls, play passes to the other player, and if no foul was committed, the incoming player must play the
cue ball from the position left by the other player
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Am I reading this correct...if you simply miss your called shot, your opponent has to take what you leave...no passing back? Just trying to clarify.

L8R...Ken
 
I didn't interpret it in that way. Here's the deal, if you shoot offensively and don't make the called shot, the incoming player has the option to shoot or give it back. If you shoot a safety and pocket a ball the incoming player has the option to shoot or give it back. Nothing lucky allowed is all I'm trying to push.

Those other threads turned into junk! This will be fair and definitely bring a lot more skill into play.
 
I totally agree with your interpretaion. The main reason people don't like 9-ball is because of the luck factor. I think it aint so much the lucky shot because with upper level players, you really don't see too many lucky shots. But you do see lucky leaves. And that always gets my goat.

You shoot a good saftey, your opponent makes a really good kick and gets the hit. Then you find yourself in worse position from his leave than your safety. Or he's shooting at the 8, misses a shot and accidentally plants the CB right behind the 9 so you're kicking. Man that erks me.

I will definitely try to make it there. This is one of the few weekends my wife has off and we like to go somewhere on those few and far between weekends.

See ya...I hope...Ken
 
That's exactly the scenario we don't want to happen. If someone plays a safety on you, guess what you are either trying to play a return safe or play the shot, NOT BOTH anymore. There is no reward for bad shape on a missed shot either. A race to 7 of this format is a tough race and I expect people will realize that rotation games can be very challenging to play with the right rules.
 
Okay. I thought I posted yesterday but apparently I just typed it out and did not hit the post button. Let’s just say I was pretty darn tired on Sunday and did not leave the house.

About the Ten Ball tournament I felt like the rules were very good. I liked the strategy different people employed during the tournament. It was way too long though. In fact longer than I ever want to deal with again. There were in fact 19 players that came out and tested their mettle. I know sometimes the leaves were in between on misses and sometimes people gave it back to a player and ended up losing the rack. The rules are meant to favor the guy who is playing better. So if a shot is missed and the leave is tough for you, but you think they can handle it if you give it back, that’s life. Jon Brown was hill-hill in a match and a guy made him shoot the ten ball again right after Jon missed it, well it was a thin cut but Jon made it this time, next time I think the guy won’t pass that shot back!!!

About the length of the tournament. We got from 19 players to the final 2 in 27 matches. If it were double elimination there would have been 34 matches to get their plus more wait time. I am thinking that the early stages of these tournaments are a bit lengthy and maybe once it gets down to the final 8 or so the race can increase a little bit. So for the next One pocket tournament expect race to 2 until we get down to 8 players. For the ten ball tournament it will be a race to 5 until we get down to 8 players. This is the only thing I can think to do for my sanity on a Saturday. Either that or we move to single elimination with no option to rebuy. These tournaments will not go past midnight anymore!!!

I also think I may have to cap these tourneys off at 16 players. End of the day we only have 4 big tables that people want to shoot on. Due to this fact a 16 player field may be maximum capacity for these one day tourneys. I’m looking for suggestions and/or help in getting these things finished before midnight. An earlier start time could also help out but I think anything starting too much before 3 or 4 PM you are cutting out anyone who works Saturday mornings or who is traveling to the tournament, which was at least 7 of our 19 players. So yeah, very open to suggestions right now.

Tourney Results:

Break Contest Winner: Anthony Gideon - $125

Ten Ball Tourney:
1st/2nd (split): Somphet T. and Jon Brown - $525
3rd: Gary DeCarlo - $100
4th: Mike Athens - $50

Thanks for coming out guys and good shooting! It was nice to see some out of town support. For the most part everyone was a gentleman for most of the day. A few isolated arguments but nothing major. Thanks to Big Dogs for adding a $100 and letting us use the tables for that long of a period of time.
 
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