CTE to Snooker Players

DangerousDave said:
These aiming systems are unheard of in snooker. Much more important that you can deliver the cue in a straight line without unintentional side. Pool and snooker are about "feel" and there's no getting around it!
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You are quite right there DangerousDave.

I would advise anyone wishing to play better snooker to first of all forget about aiming systems, and concentrate on developing an accurate cueing technique in order to consistently strike the ball accurately.

Snooker is indeed all about "touch" and "feel", and endless practice in order that you can immediately recognize the potting angles when you take your shot, and delivering the cue through accurately in order to successfully achieve the pot.

Best wishes.

Alan.
 
It's like a freaking VIRUS!

OMG.

Wow man. Simply amazing.

Pretty soon you will see CTE as a mental illness when some people get committed because they really believe it works but can't prove it and have had a psychotic break due to the world not believing them.
They are in a semi catatonic state, and the only words they blurt out every so often is "CTE!!!" or something related to it.

LOL.
I can see it now. Patient in a chair, and a worker walks by, and the patient looks at them and says "CTE!!!" and the worker shakes their head and walks away, and the patient grabs their sleeve and tugs at them...."CTEEEE" and the worker walks away and now the patient is hanging onto the workers pants leg, getting dragged across the floor screaming "CTE...CTE...CTEEEEEEEEEE...you have to believe me, CTEEEEEEEE" and other workers have to remove the patient and drag him down the hall, all while you hear the screams of the patient being put in their room "CTEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee" and then the door shuts, cutting off the scream.
 
Alan Morris said:
You are quite right there DangerousDave.

I would advise anyone wishing to play better snooker to first of all forget about aiming systems, and concentrate on developing an accurate cueing technique in order to consistently strike the ball accurately.

Snooker is indeed all about "touch" and "feel", and endless practice in order that you can immediately recognize the potting angles when you take your shot, and delivering the cue through accurately in order to successfully achieve the pot.

Best wishes.

Alan.
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Well apparently someone forgot to tell this to the people who are posting on the snooker forums (the real snooker forums). They discuss all sorts of systems and methods for aiming including even using the grain lines on the ash shafts.

And at least our "crackpot" publishes his name and phone number so you can call him up and get his system for free unlike Snooker's here

http://www.snooker-fineart.com/index.htm
 
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The grain on an ash cue is not an aiming guide at all. Snooker players who hold an ash cue with the arrows on top merely do so that they can repeatedly hit the cueball knowing the tip has not been rotated.

Some prefer to have one of the two straight grain lines sides on top though it's very few cues that have truly straight lines, this has nothing to do with aiming as it's just a mind set thing.

Thinking about whichever side of the ash shaft on top is detremental to ones game imo you can go too far (at one time i was always using the v's face up and face down if i were using screw) better to just concentrate on the aim using the only tool that works.. your eyes and on your stroke.

JB Cases said:
Well apparently someone forgot to tell this to the people who are posting on the snooker forums (the real snooker forums). They discuss all sorts of systems and methods for aiming including even using the grain lines on the ash shafts.
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If you mean Thesnookerforum.com bear in mind 50% of the members are newbies to the game, 50% are badge (not cue) collectors and 99% of the time 99% of them they talk through their arses. The number of really good players that post there can be counted on one hand and they post very very little as they are too busy practicing.
 
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Wity said:
If you mean Thesnookerforum.com bear in mind ... 99% of the time 99% of them they talk through their arses. The number of really good players that post there can be counted on one hand and they post very very little as they are too busy practicing.
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You mean there is another board like this one? :confused::eek:

And I thought thee and me had already found a home.
 
JB Cases said:
Well apparently someone forgot to tell this to the people who are posting on the snooker forums (the real snooker forums). They discuss all sorts of systems and methods for aiming including even using the grain lines on the ash shafts.

And at least our "crackpot" publishes his name and phone number so you can call him up and get his system for free unlike Snooker's here

http://www.snooker-fineart.com/index.htm
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You'll only ever hear about the ghost-ball, hitting the furthest point from the pocket on the object ball or fractional ball aiming from snooker players - all of which involve feel, judgement and repetition to see the angles correctly. From the little I've seen about CTE I've gotten the impression that it's meant to eliminate this "guesswork", putting you on the right line automatically when you follow the procedure? Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think this can be done without feel, experience and knowledge.

About the link: I've never seen it before or read about it at all on any snooker forums. Most questions I've seen on snooker forums from players looking to improve are about cue action and technique.

From the "Value For Money" page on that site:

A secrete is wasted if not shared. Mr hey you.

That amused me.
 
Wity said:
The grain on an ash cue is not an aiming guide at all. Snooker players who hold an ash cue with the arrows on top merely do so that they can repeatedly hit the cueball knowing the tip has not been rotated.

Some prefer to have one of the two straight grain lines sides on top though it's very few cues that have truly straight lines, this has nothing to do with aiming as it's just a mind set thing.

Thinking about whichever side of the ash shaft on top is detremental to ones game imo you can go too far (at one time i was always using the v's face up and face down if i were using screw) better to just concentrate on the aim using the only tool that works.. your eyes and on your stroke.



If you mean Thesnookerforum.com bear in mind 50% of the members are newbies to the game, 50% are badge (not cue) collectors and 99% of the time 99% of them they talk through their arses. The number of really good players that post there can be counted on one hand and they post very very little as they are too busy practicing.
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The point was that aiming in snooker is not all Ghost Ball/Contact Point - there IS a thread where some of the people are SERIOUSLY debating the merits of using the grain to aim with.

I have zero idea about the qualifications of the posters on the two snooker boards I came across.
 
JB Cases said:
The point was that aiming in snooker is not all Ghost Ball/Contact Point - there IS a thread where some of the people are SERIOUSLY debating the merits of using the grain to aim with.

I have zero idea about the qualifications of the posters on the two snooker boards I came across.
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That would be like aiming a pool cue using triangles in the ornamentation. Or putting a line on the ferrul. No good player would do that, or even need to. I don't think anyone who's hit a century would do that, but of course I could be wrong.

But I do think any system that forces a player to aim with their cue, will be far superior to any other. The toughest part about teaching students to aim, is they can't get it through their heads that it doesn't matter what they are looking at, it's what the cue is pointing at.
 
Muppets can seriously debate whatever all day long but they are still muppets when it comes to bedtime.

Ever heard of a marksman saying he's marked his rifle barrel so in order to aim? The notion is so absurd only a muppet could come up with it.
:rolleyes:
 
DangerousDave said:
You'll only ever hear about the ghost-ball, hitting the furthest point from the pocket on the object ball or fractional ball aiming from snooker players - all of which involve feel, judgement and repetition to see the angles correctly. From the little I've seen about CTE I've gotten the impression that it's meant to eliminate this "guesswork", putting you on the right line automatically when you follow the procedure? Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think this can be done without feel, experience and knowledge.

About the link: I've never seen it before or read about it at all on any snooker forums. Most questions I've seen on snooker forums from players looking to improve are about cue action and technique.

From the "Value For Money" page on that site:

A secrete is wasted if not shared. Mr hey you.

That amused me.
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You're right - the idea behind CTE is that it puts you on the right line if you can follow the directions. (yes yes I know what ARE the directions??)

And I would agree that such a concept is foreign to snooker players. It's foreign to most pool players as well.

All I was pointing out is that snooker aiming is not all GB/contact point and there are other "methods" floating around like using the chevrons formed by the grain of the cue to aim with.

And of course the "copyrighted" system. :-)

On another note I have a tool called the Snooker Potting Angle Calculator which is quite useful. www.onekaraoke.com

The interesting thing about this tool is that it shows you the GB aiming point and the contact point offset. Using that it is quickly apparent that "sighting" to the edge of the object ball works for a wide range of shots.

I suspect that in pool this is the reason why a player can start with a center to edge sighting and end up on the correct aiming line - because although the angles are all different the sighting using the edge as the initial reference point is close enough. Just a thought based on playing with the SPAC. Nothing definite.
 
Wity said:
Muppets can seriously debate whatever all day long but they are still muppets when it comes to bedtime.

Ever heard of a marksman saying he's marked his rifle barrel so in order to aim? The notion is so absurd only a muppet could come up with it.
:rolleyes:
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Yes, marksmen use gunsights and they have to calibrate them. I am fairly certain of this and don't think I have to look it up.

I am NOT saying that adding any sort of sighting aid to a pool cue will help anyone but again I am fairly certain that shooters spend time aligning their gunsights and scopes.

Sorry, I HAD to look it up - if you listen to Joe Rogan's podcasts he says only a "muppet" will make a statement he is not 100% certain of without googling it.

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http://www.chuckhawks.com/sight-in_rifle.htm

So rifles aren't just point and shoot by feel. Shooters use sights to help them aim and they must calibrate those those sights for consistent results.

Score one for the muppets. :-)
 
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Cameron Smith said:
That would be like aiming a pool cue using triangles in the ornamentation. Or putting a line on the ferrul. No good player would do that, or even need to. I don't think anyone who's hit a century would do that, but of course I could be wrong.

But I do think any system that forces a player to aim with their cue, will be far superior to any other. The toughest part about teaching students to aim, is they can't get it through their heads that it doesn't matter what they are looking at, it's what the cue is pointing at.
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I don't think you want to bet that "no good player would do that" in pool. I have seen a few shafts from champions that were "marked" for various reasons.

Actually using the chevrons on a snooker cue would not be like using the points on a pool cue because on a snooker cue the chevrons (sometimes) run all the way up the shaft - like blinking arrows on a traffic sign. On a pool cue the points are below the joint area and as such pretty much out of the shot picture on most shots.

And again because I know I have to make these disclaimers I am NOT advocating using any marks on the cue to aim with. Although Shane Van Boening said CLEARLY that he uses his ferrule to aim with.

And yes I agree, getting people to point the cue along the correct aiming line is difficult.
 
JB Cases said:
I don't think you want to bet that "no good player would do that" in pool. I have seen a few shafts from champions that were "marked" for various reasons.

Actually using the chevrons on a snooker cue would not be like using the points on a pool cue because on a snooker cue the chevrons (sometimes) run all the way up the shaft - like blinking arrows on a traffic sign. On a pool cue the points are below the joint area and as such pretty much out of the shot picture on most shots.

And again because I know I have to make these disclaimers I am NOT advocating using any marks on the cue to aim with. Although Shane Van Boening said CLEARLY that he uses his ferrule to aim with.

And yes I agree, getting people to point the cue along the correct aiming line is difficult.
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Well, I meant snooker players.

I wouldn't mind hearing Shane expound upon that. I can't imagine he is consciously lining up every time, I suspect it's automatic at this point and not something he thinks about. And at the end of the day, that is all I personally advocate.
 
Cameron Smith said:
Well, I meant snooker players.

I wouldn't mind hearing Shane expound upon that. I can't imagine he is consciously lining up every time, I suspect it's automatic at this point and not something he thinks about. And at the end of the day, that is all I personally advocate.
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I think a lot of us would like to hear Shane expound on how he aims. He was quite specific about the fact that he uses it and that it changes depending on the size of the ferrule.
 
If chevrons are useful, explain Stephen Hendry and his maple shaft:D:D:D

Maybe cues should come with arrows so we'll know which way to point them.
 
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