Everytime you post it proves just how little you know. It really is amazing.
A CTE test!
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Everytime you post it proves just how little you know. It really is amazing.
Why? Your examples don't answer my question at all.
I'm asking how is it possible to aim the OB at two different points given the exact same CB and OB set up.
Let's take your first example. But instead of having the pocket be the target, let's have the CBs labeled 'A' and 'B' as the targets. (Does it really matter what the target is?) Let's say that given your system you can hit the OB dead center at the 'A' CB all day long.
Now, simply move the target from the 'A' CB to the 'B' CB. How does your system adjust for this shift in target, considering the CB and OB positions have NOT changed at all? Don't you have the same CTE and "secondary" aim lines for both cases?
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I remember the story now jb. It's nice to hear you put it to some Internet bullies. I can't understand why they don't let you aim the way you want without picking at you.
No problem.
Here you go. CTE with the target moved significantly.
There are TWO pages here.
Well I don't know how to make CT show the two layouts I did. But essentially it's easy to use CTE to send the object ball to ANY place on the table.
I can't give you the mathematical formula for this or the decoder ring or I would have to kill you.
Sorry.However here is a little video I did which shows a device I made to test this concept. http://www.vimeo.com/17090438
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Its not my system but a system i have chosen to apply for its benefits.
You can do it standing by shifting the aim line slightly to the right on the object ball, that will move the ctel slightly left on the cuebal and you will have a new right edge on the object ball and you will be in a slightly different visual,body position.<< i wouldn't do it that way.
You can do it after the pivot by shifting the aim line slightly to the right on the object ball, that will move the ctel slightly left on the cuebal and you will have a new right edge on the object ball . <<< i do this
you can also stop your pivot a bit short of center cue ball <<< i do this also.
Remember, i adjust the system to make the shot, just a little tweak is all it takes. I am also sitting in front of computer trying to visualize how i do this, so sometimes it does not come out clear. I also have the nuts to put myself out there and try and answer any question i can and dodge none! do you have any other questions?
Theres another one down PJ.
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Its not my system but a system i have chosen to apply for its benefits.
Now if your really good with the visuals,body position and the lines you can shift the lines slightly to your left to do that shot when your standing up << i wouldn't do it that way.
You can do it after the pivot and shift the lines slightly to your left to do that shot. <<< i do this
you can also stop your pivot a bit short of center cue ball <<< i do this also.
Remember, i adjust the system to make the shot, just a little tweak is all it takes
Theres another one down PJ.
Say that "B" is the first diamond on the end rail....How much post pivot adjustment is needed to hit that?
Duh.
There's only one, champ, and you've finally admitted what the "science guys" have been saying all along. The system must be "adjusted" to make shots.
Now all you have to do is realize that "adjust" means "by feel" and you can go out to recess and play.
pj
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Who has said there are no adjustments to be made on occasion? Please quote a post from any cte thread and post it here! Stan clearly states that there are adjustments PJ, this is why you should read and not post in these threads! How many times have you seen stans post PJ? yet you insist to make an ass out of yourself and flame up every thread with nonsense!
Science guys? the only ones i see are jwpretd and lamas? and you defiantly aint no science guy!
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Not "on occasion", champ - on most shots. Guess that's the next point we'll spend months pounding into your heads.
If everybody has been saying CTE needs adjustments, what is meant by insisting CTE is exact"? Is it exact or does it need adjustments? Which is it?
pj
chgo
who is insisting cte is exact? do you have names? because i dont see anyone saying that? who says it doesnt need adjustments because i dont see anyone saying that either? I just see you bring this up though.
How exactly do you know you have to make any "tweaks" or "adjustments" for the second shot?
Are you serious? Why don't you ask Stan, Spidey, cookieman, JB, and pretty much the rest of the CTE advocates?
You want it in writing? Here you go. (At least the 3rd time I linked the website.)
Context.
Pool is measured in successful pocketing. So by that measure CTE is the most exact, precise, systematic method that exists to aim with for a human being.
Whatever adjustments are needed, whatever feel is there, whatever the subconscious is doing, the person who uses CTE has the most exact, precise and objective way to aim at their disposal.
here it is back in writing!
Originally Posted by stan shuffett
For 3 years or so, I taught CTE and then PRO ONE. I was not able to describe the system in precise steps. That was frustrating and through determination I finally figured it all out.
Now, I am thrilled to say that CTE is systematic and EXACT. As I instruct I can tell a student exactly what to do visually and motor-wise.
I am very satisfied that an accurate description for CTE now exist. The description is EXACT. I thought this would be pleasing to serious students of the game that wanted such a description.
CTE/PRO ONE is a center pocket system. As humans, do we execute perfectly? NO, but there is an exact system to go by and center pocketing is a typical result of proper execution.
Is the system perfect? No. Are there adjustments at times? Yes.
And without a straight stroke and proper perception, success will be limited accordingly.
Stan
John I would like to add that I completely agree that pool is measured by consistent and effective methods of pocketing balls. I would also like to say that any method used where some one can consistently pocket balls is the method they should continue use, because doing other wise would be fruitless, foolish, and totally non-productive.
But, I would also say John that no single system ever devised will be productive for every person that is taught it, or is learning to use it. This is true because the perception of all people is not alike, and this applies to any sport known to man. Each of us is unique in our own way, and in all things this can make us stand equal, above, or below our peer's. Once we head down the road where our minds are closed to something new, or even something different continued growth will also be confined and stagnation will rule the day.
In my opinion there is no best system except as it applies to each of us as individuals, and nothing supersedes good fundamentals and confidence in ones stroke including aiming. No matter what method's a player uses to aim, practice is the key to playing good pool, and nothing will substitute for it.
Have a good night John.
No, I'm dead serious.
Is the system really "designed to go center pocket"? If it is, then why are any adjustments necessary?
I'll tell you the answer. For target 'A' you follow the system and it works out perfectly. For target 'B' you initially follow the exact same steps as the previous case (why would it be any different? the OB and CB haven't moved) but when you arrive at your post-pivot aim line (exact same aim line as 'A') the shot just doesn't look or feel right. You know that you're slightly out of line (based on feel and experience) and that if you pull the trigger you'll miss the target. Therefore, in order to directly hit the target 'B', you make an additional adjustment (also by feel) on top of your post-pivot aim line that is dictated by the system. This adjustment is NOT part of the system.
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Nonsense. It obviously rings your bell, but you're not every player and you're definitely no objective observer.
On the other hand you're openly using words like "adjustment", "subconscious" and "feel" to describe CTE, so that's progress.
pj
chgo
Alright, you guys can redefine the word "exact" any way you want. Let's throw that word out the window for now.
But you and others still claim it's a "center pocket" system? How can it be if you still have to make adjustments outside the system to get from 'A' to 'B' (looking at my examples)?
I have my own "center pocket" system. It's called OCTC, or "Only Center to Center". For all shots, straight in, thick, medium, or thin cut shot, you line up EVERY shot on the center to center line. The caveat is that for some shots you need to make an adjustment after you line up CTC in order to hit center pocket. But it's still a center pocket system!