Wanted to correct error in my second sentence; I'd meant 5 seconds per ball and not 5 balls per inning!
i got argument live right now with JA on the phone
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Wanted to correct error in my second sentence; I'd meant 5 seconds per ball and not 5 balls per inning!
The 526 run was with 5.25" pockets
I'd inspected the table upon which Mosconi had made that 526 run back in 1964 and found the corner pockets to be a "hair" under 5.25 inches between the points at the mouth of the corner pockets after being told by several people in that room that nothing had been done to change those pockets since Mosconi's run. I'd noticed nothing at all unusual re those pockets or the depth of the slate shelf for those pockets were as almost all others around the country at the time.
Wikipedia recently had those corner pockets at less than 5-inches. Those that doubt what I say about those pockets can simply check with table restorers and other authorities on the subject to learn what was standard back then. Guess someone may question whether that particular table for some strange reason had the pockets or slate-shelf altered but I can't go for that. From my travels back then I'd come to conclusion that only tables intended for one-pocket were shimmed to be somewhat tighter and never even seen one-pocket played on an 8-footer until 1964.
The one thing that still bugs me is that I've read somewhere that the table was supposed to have been a Brunswick but I seem to recall that it was actually a Harold Schmitt table; I'm unsure about that point. The main thing I was interested in at the time were the size and shape of the corner pockets in attempt to understand how difficult was his great feat and so I'm quite certain of what I've written on that subject.
Wikipedia mentioned difficulty of increased congestion of balls on a smaller table. For most, such a table figures to be ideal for long runs BUT Mosconi was not like "most", he shot very, very straight and so for him I'd think the difference between difficulty of 8-foot and 9-foot tables was almost non-existent. Distance meant less to him than even most pros; that's why his game was almost as good on 10-foot tables.
I've always been a huge Mosconi fan despite his weakness in area of public relations.
I'd inspected the table upon which Mosconi had made that 526 run back in 1964 and found the corner pockets to be a "hair" under 5.25 inches between the points at the mouth of the corner pockets after being told by several people in that room that nothing had been done to change those pockets since Mosconi's run. I'd noticed nothing at all unusual re those pockets or the depth of the slate shelf for those pockets were as almost all others around the country at the time.
Wikipedia recently had those corner pockets at less than 5-inches. Those that doubt what I say about those pockets can simply check with table restorers and other authorities on the subject to learn what was standard back then. Guess someone may question whether that particular table for some strange reason had the pockets or slate-shelf altered but I can't go for that. From my travels back then I'd come to conclusion that only tables intended for one-pocket were shimmed to be somewhat tighter and never even seen one-pocket played on an 8-footer until 1964.
The one thing that still bugs me is that I've read somewhere that the table was supposed to have been a Brunswick but I seem to recall that it was actually a Harold Schmitt table; I'm unsure about that point. The main thing I was interested in at the time were the size and shape of the corner pockets in attempt to understand how difficult was his great feat and so I'm quite certain of what I've written on that subject.
Wikipedia mentioned difficulty of increased congestion of balls on a smaller table. For most, such a table figures to be ideal for long runs BUT Mosconi was not like "most", he shot very, very straight and so for him I'd think the difference between difficulty of 8-foot and 9-foot tables was almost non-existent. Distance meant less to him than even most pros; that's why his game was almost as good on 10-foot tables.
I've always been a huge Mosconi fan despite his weakness in area of public relations.
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You are close with the 5 hour estimate for Johnny to run that many balls if he's in his deliberate pace.
I don't know anyone who enjoys watching slow play. 9 ball is a fast paced game and how long does it take to figure out what to do? Shoot or play safe......when I go to the US Open I usually avoid watching the slow players.
James
Another witness: Richard Brandt of Newport News, VA
I spoke with a gentleman who owns a landscaping business in Newport News, VA about pool. His name is Richard Brandt, and he related to me that he was there in Las Vegas in 1979, at the tournament where Mosconi ran 589. He witnessed a trick shot that Charlie Ursitti told me Mosconi usually did with a silver dollar. Mr. Brandt told me that he is certain Mosconi used a quarter on this occasion. He put the coin between two pieces of chalk and stroked it down the length of the table, where it rebounded and came back to rest between the two pieces of chalk. He is adamant that it was a quarter. Charles C. Peterson, the famous trick shot artist did this shot or one like it, and I believe it was with a silver dollar. To prove it was not luck though with the quarter, Brandt states that Mosconi made this shot ten times in a row. He also related that Fats was in attendance making trick shots as well. Just my opinion, but I think Mosconi's feelings about Fats' bragging and claims of beating him made Willie play at the top of his ability. Mr. Brandt says that after Mosconi made the shot ten times, he said: "that's not bad for an old man, is it?"
I just got off the phone with Mr. Brandt and received his permission to relate his name and story. So if you doubt the incredible coincidence that I happened to make conversation with the man who saw how well Mosconi was playing at the time of the 589, feel free to fact-check me. And I doubt the 9' Gold Crown pockets at that pro tournament on were 5.25"
I spoke with a gentleman who owns a landscaping business in Newport News, VA about pool. His name is Richard Brandt, and he related to me that he was there in Las Vegas in 1979, at the tournament where Mosconi ran 589. He witnessed a trick shot that Charlie Ursitti told me Mosconi usually did with a silver dollar. Mr. Brandt told me that he is certain Mosconi used a quarter on this occasion. He put the coin between two pieces of chalk and stroked it down the length of the table, where it rebounded and came back to rest between the two pieces of chalk. He is adamant that it was a quarter. Charles C. Peterson, the famous trick shot artist did this shot or one like it, and I believe it was with a silver dollar. To prove it was not luck though with the quarter, Brandt states that Mosconi made this shot ten times in a row. He also related that Fats was in attendance making trick shots as well. Just my opinion, but I think Mosconi's feelings about Fats' bragging and claims of beating him made Willie play at the top of his ability. Mr. Brandt says that after Mosconi made the shot ten times, he said: "that's not bad for an old man, is it?"
I just got off the phone with Mr. Brandt and received his permission to relate his name and story. So if you doubt the incredible coincidence that I happened to make conversation with the man who saw how well Mosconi was playing at the time of the 589, feel free to fact-check me. And I doubt the 9' Gold Crown pockets at that pro tournament on were 5.25"
How long did it take ja to run a 13 pack on busta gambling that year?
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Rood told me the pockets were rather large -- but he still acknowledged that was more balls than anyone else ever ran.
http://www.onepocket.org/GeorgeRoodInterview.htm
As far as topic, the only bad thing about watching Johnny Archer is that he takes so damn much time for so many shots. I don't like that myself.
pocket size for pro tournament gold crowns, 1979???
Surely someone knows what was standard in 1979.
Surely someone knows what was standard in 1979.