How Would You Play This? 3/15/10

accustatsfan said:
Frank what English do you use?
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Like Tate said no english is needed because the cue ball is not traveling very far.

In the post by Genomachine, he said that he has used this to get behind other balls and yes it is very useful to know this shot. If you want a lot of travel on the cue ball then you need to use a little draw which will turn into follow once it comes off the object ball.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
It actually can be banked straight back, but it's a trick shot where you load it up with inside, and your not stroking it normal, you are choking up to the front of your wrap, and you are jacking up, almost like a jump shot, and you have to hit it PERFECT, and hope the cue ball doesn't fly off the table.

Odds are against you though.
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That explains my experience at a recent tourney. I had a similar shot and didn't know how to play it and for some reason decided to go for the bank using inside and a medium stroke. It went and I told the other guy I had no idea how it went. I didn't jack up too much though, just a bit.
 
dabarbr said:
I am curious to know what lock up safe you would play from that position. I don't see you putting the object ball back to the short rail from there.

My suggestion for that shot is just to buy myself another turn at the table and hope that I would be in better position. If you're not playing to pocket the ball then I'm happy.
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Have to disagree this time. You may well, in fact, probably will come back to the table with a more difficult choice than other possible shots at this time. Also, that 9 will come off the side rail and go up table a little from the double kiss, it could very easily leave a corner or side bank with a good safe leave. The wei diagram doesn't show what will really happen to the 9, and the lower Q ball position will take the kiss out of most banks.

Mike
 
dabarbr said:
I am curious to know what lock up safe you would play from that position. I don't see you putting the object ball back to the short rail from there.

My suggestion for that shot is just to buy myself another turn at the table and hope that I would be in better position. If you're not playing to pocket the ball then I'm happy.
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Fot you guys who don't know him, Frank the Barber wins most of the safety battles. He's known as one of the best and smartest movers in the game. In his heyday, before he had a life outside the pool room, he was spotting the strong shortstops on the west coast the 7 ball and robbing them.

Chris
 
Deadon said:
Have to disagree this time. You may well, in fact, probably will come back to the table with a more difficult choice than other possible shots at this time. Also, that 9 will come off the side rail and go up table a little from the double kiss, it could very easily leave a corner or side bank with a good safe leave. The wei diagram doesn't show what will really happen to the 9, and the lower Q ball position will take the kiss out of most banks.

Mike
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My suggestion for this shot was just to make others aware of this option because it is an easy shot to operate. I'm not saying that this is what should be done but only that it is an option. I did try this a number of times on my table and the nine was kept under control tight to the rail as expected.

Table conditions and the score would dictate to me what safety I would play. I am fully aware that the shot can be banked or cut in with spin but it's nice to know all the options that are available to us so that we may have a variety to choose from.

There have been many good options suggested here by others and some that I would never consider but it's good to know that they are there.
 
dabarbr said:
Thanks Tate, that's exactly what I meant. I need to learn how to use that darn wei table thing.

This shot though might force my opponent to shoot away at an awkward cross bank shot because it doesn't leave many options for a safety. In critical situations I like to leave my opponent with an option for a safety.

Sorry about the Gerardo situation. How about a practice session soon?
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Wouldn't doubt for a nanosecond that someone of your skill can execute that exactly as diagrammed and it's a live option, but I see 3 problems with it when your opponent comes to the table.

1. It leaves a relatively easy bank back to the top left, certainly far easier than the bank option to the same pocket that Jude had originally.

2. It gives him an option of a one rail bank the length of the table which is also a much easier proposition for the opponent than the same bank was for Jude, because the different starting position of the cue ball gives a "narrower" approach angle for the cb contact on 9 that is far more likely to result in making it.

3. He can return a similar if not better safety position quite easily with a soft thin cut and cb back to the same rail.


I think the percentages on all the options that were facing Jude, including your good one, are very highly dependent on the ability level of the opponent, probably moreso than in most cases.

Hard to quantify percentages without good knowledge of the opponent's ability. My heart says make it with Spider's cut shot but my head tells me to put the 9 near the centre of the bottom rail with a fairly thin cut and take the cb with high left english off two rails to the middle of the top rail, especially if my opponent is as mentally uncomfortable with that 'middle of the rail/middle of the rail' bank shot as I am lol.

Edit....drafted before seeing your latest post above :)
 
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memikey said:
Wouldn't doubt for a nanosecond that someone of your skill can execute that exactly as diagrammed and it's a live option, but I see 3 problems with it when your opponent comes to the table.

1. It leaves a relatively easy bank back to the top left, certainly far easier than the bank option to the same pocket that Jude had originally.

2. It gives him an option of a one rail bank the length of the table which is also a much easier proposition for the opponent than the same bank was for Jude, because the different starting position of the cue ball gives a "narrower" approach angle for the cb contact on 9 that is far more likely to result in making it.

3. He can return a similar if not better safety position quite easily with a soft thin cut and cb back to the same rail.


I think the percentages on all the options that were facing Jude, including your good one, are very highly dependent on the ability level of the opponent, probably moreso than in most cases.

Hard to quantify percentages without good knowledge of the opponent's ability. My heart says make it with Spider's cut shot but my head tells me to put the 9 near the centre of the bottom rail with a fairly thin cut and take the cb with high left english off two rails to the middle of the top rail, especially if my opponent is as mentally uncomfortable with that 'middle of the rail/middle of the rail' bank shot as I am lol.

Edit....drafted before seeing your latest post above :)
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For sure the option that you suggest would be my favorite if one felt comfortable in the execution of it. I don't think anyone is ever comfortable with that positon. I like leaving the cue ball where if they decided to bank the nine after that safe the cue ball must come out to mid table for a better chance of a good shot on the nine.

Spider's cut shot, although not very difficult do under most conditions, could be very chancy when you're under duress and taking heat.
 
dabarbr said:
I am curious to know what lock up safe you would play from that position. I don't see you putting the object ball back to the short rail from there.

My suggestion for that shot is just to buy myself another turn at the table and hope that I would be in better position. If you're not playing to pocket the ball then I'm happy.
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Sorry about taking so long to get back to you.Had a long day.
I played a lot of 5x10 snooker years ago and these leaves often
allowed me to either get the cue ball or object ball to the far
short rail (sometimes 1 or 2 rails)
Today i'm going to the room and fiddle with this.Will get back
to you unless someone beats me for my laptop.
 
I'm surprised

dabarbr said:
I am curious to know what lock up safe you would play from that position. I don't see you putting the object ball back to the short rail from there.

My suggestion for that shot is just to buy myself another turn at the table and hope that I would be in better position. If you're not playing to pocket the ball then I'm happy.
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It didn't look like i could on the screen.
On a gc1 i could spin the cue ball two rails to the far short rail and
leave a center-center safety.On the Diamond it was tougher 'cause
of shorter rails but still do-able.
I now think this the best choice other than playing it in.
I think anyone is under-dog from this position especially if you get
whitey close to the rail.

However,going by your AZ name,i think you should CUT it in.
 
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