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Poolkillers81

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Hello. This post is a message to all players who play amateur pool based on public rules. As professional instructors don't know much about this type of play, feel free to ask us everything you'd like to know about amateur 8 Ball. We've also written an online guide (we posted the link below). There you can find the public rules explained in detail, as well as everything a good player needs to know about technique, tactics, strategies and play styles.

http://issuu.com/poolkillers81/docs/a_beginner_s_guide_to_8_ball_pool

You can also contact us on this e-mail:
poolkillers81@gmail.com
 
Once you decided to not use standardized language for descriptions, like side pocket, kitchen, head string you turned me off.

You should at least consider the importance of teaching new players the correct vocabulary.

As for the rest of it....this is a joke right?



Poolkillers81 said:
Hello. This post is a message to all players who play amateur pool based on public rules. As professional instructors don't know much about this type of play, feel free to ask us everything you'd like to know about amateur 8 Ball. We've also written an online guide (we posted the link below). There you can find the public rules explained in detail, as well as everything a good player needs to know about technique, tactics, strategies and play styles.

http://issuu.com/poolkillers81/docs/a_beginner_s_guide_to_8_ball_pool

You can also contact us on this e-mail:
poolkillers81@gmail.com
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Poolkillers81 said:
Hello. This post is a message to all players who play amateur pool based on public rules. As professional instructors don't know much about this type of play, feel free to ask us everything you'd like to know about amateur 8 Ball. We've also written an online guide (we posted the link below). There you can find the public rules explained in detail, as well as everything a good player needs to know about technique, tactics, strategies and play styles.

http://issuu.com/poolkillers81/docs/a_beginner_s_guide_to_8_ball_pool

You can also contact us on this e-mail:
poolkillers81@gmail.com
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I must ask if this is serious or not, poolkillers81; is this an attempt at humor or not?
 
PGHteacher said:
I must ask if this is serious or not, poolkillers81; is this an attempt at humor or not?
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It's hard to believe that somebody would go through all that trouble for a joke. However, the alternative is frightening. Could this person really be serious?

I hope they have liability insurance, particularly for any of their students who may try their ram shot, the one where you take a running leap towards the table and shoot while still airborne.

The 'shoot from the hip' shot is pretty inventive, where you actually shoot from your hip. Sheesh.
 
Clearly someone put a lot of time in on this project. The only explanation I can figure out for the language is that it was translated into English from a previous translation of the rules into some other language. perhaps Ukrainian. That would cause all of the terms to be sort of the same.

I'm suspicious of any product or web site that does not identify who is responsible for it.
 
So, professional instructors don't know much about 8-ball play, huh? That's sure news to me. All the professional instructors I know have a good knowledge of the rules, basic strategy, and of course technique and playing styles...something I fear you know very little about, from your "online guide".

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Poolkillers81 said:
Hello. This post is a message to all players who play amateur pool based on public rules. As professional instructors don't know much about this type of play, feel free to ask us everything you'd like to know about amateur 8 Ball. We've also written an online guide (we posted the link below). There you can find the public rules explained in detail, as well as everything a good player needs to know about technique, tactics, strategies and play styles.

http://issuu.com/poolkillers81/docs/a_beginner_s_guide_to_8_ball_pool

You can also contact us on this e-mail:
poolkillers81@gmail.com
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It looks like we have a lot to discuss about. First, it bothers us someone ever thought this could be a joke...
You don't seem to be familiar with amateur 8 Ball play. The huge majority of people in the world never play by official rules. They use thousands of different variants of public rules. In the guide we present a single, standardized and most balanced version of public rules anyone can use from now on. Today it's a common phenomenon that when players meet, they have major misunderstandings because each of them uses a different variant of rules. If this standardized public rules are spread worldwide, then such scenes will belong to history in the near future.
The official terminology is obviously related to official rules. Players who use these official rules probably haven't heard for other terms. However, a lot more people all around the globe use much more practical terms for pool equipment, table layout etc. We standardized these terms by choosing the most logical ones, just like we did with the rules.
This guide was written in English, it wasn't translated from any other language. We also apologize for not revealing our personal information, but for now we'd like to remain anonymous.
One of you mentioned the ram shot. I have to say you didn't understand that technique quite well. First of all, we made it clear that ram shot isn't supposed to be performed by novice players at all. Also, you don't take a "running leap forward", you stand like half a meter away from the table, with your stick already aiming at the white. Then you jump forward, using your entire body weight to add maximum power to your shot. The other variant is running two or three steps, and it's done without jumping. That type of RS is far more risky and isn't recommended. This technique should be used only for breaking, as we don't see how someone could possibly employ it in any other way. Maybe for some extreme ODS, but we wouldn't advise it. We're ready to clarify every single term you want, just like we did right now with the ram shot.
Lastly, we would never say 8 Ball instructors don't know anything about 8 Ball, that would just be ridiculous. We only said most of them don't know much about amateur play based on public rules, which you have to admit is a fact. And that's why we are here. If you're not interested in this type of play, then don't use this guide. But that large majority of players who play casual pool can get much out of our guide and our personal experience. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.
 
I was wrong for thinking this guide was a joke.

I now believe it was written by a lunatic.





Poolkillers81 said:
It looks like we have a lot to discuss about. First, it bothers us someone ever thought this could be a joke...
You don't seem to be familiar with amateur 8 Ball play. The huge majority of people in the world never play by official rules. They use thousands of different variants of public rules. In the guide we present a single, standardized and most balanced version of public rules anyone can use from now on. Today it's a common phenomenon that when players meet, they have major misunderstandings because each of them uses a different variant of rules. If this standardized public rules are spread worldwide, then such scenes will belong to history in the near future.
The official terminology is obviously related to official rules. Players who use these official rules probably haven't heard for other terms. However, a lot more people all around the globe use much more practical terms for pool equipment, table layout etc. We standardized these terms by choosing the most logical ones, just like we did with the rules.
This guide was written in English, it wasn't translated from any other language. We also apologize for not revealing our personal information, but for now we'd like to remain anonymous.
One of you mentioned the ram shot. I have to say you didn't understand that technique quite well. First of all, we made it clear that ram shot isn't supposed to be performed by novice players at all. Also, you don't take a "running leap forward", you stand like half a meter away from the table, with your stick already aiming at the white. Then you jump forward, using your entire body weight to add maximum power to your shot. The other variant is running two or three steps, and it's done without jumping. That type of RS is far more risky and isn't recommended. This technique should be used only for breaking, as we don't see how someone could possibly employ it in any other way. Maybe for some extreme ODS, but we wouldn't advise it. We're ready to clarify every single term you want, just like we did right now with the ram shot.
Lastly, we would never say 8 Ball instructors don't know anything about 8 Ball, that would just be ridiculous. We only said most of them don't know much about amateur play based on public rules, which you have to admit is a fact. And that's why we are here. If you're not interested in this type of play, then don't use this guide. But that large majority of players who play casual pool can get much out of our guide and our personal experience. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.
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Tony_in_MD said:
I was wrong for thinking this guide was a joke.

I now believe it was written by a lunatic.
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I agree. There is a saying I like to use. If one person tells me I'm a monkey I'll ignore them. If two, I may glance in the mirror. If a third person tells me I'm a monkey, I'm going to stock up on bannans.

This person has read the very logical and valid comments of a dozen people on here, and keeps saying that THEY are the ones in the wrong. That's pretty much the definition of insanity.

You can't reason with someon that does not have a clue about how to listen or undersdand what is being said.

I had a similar situation we have here with one of my kids. A while ago she threw something at a trash can and knocked it over. I told her she needs to clean it up. She said that she coould not have knocked it over because she "only threw one thing at it", in her logic, throwing only one thing at the trash can can't knock it over, so she did not do it. This is the type of frustration I am feeling now, reasoning with an 8-yr old and reasoning with the writter of the "guide". Except worse because a grown up should eventually see the clarity of reason at some point. Barring any of the religous nuts out there. No offence meant to any religous nuts on these boards. This is not just a bad guide for pros or even C players, it's a bad guide for ANYONE. It would be like writting a book called "101 uses for bleach to cure stomach issues".
 
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Poolkillers81 said:
It looks like we have a lot to discuss about. First, it bothers us someone ever thought this could be a joke...
You don't seem to be familiar with amateur 8 Ball play. The huge majority of people in the world never play by official rules. They use thousands of different variants of public rules. In the guide we present a single, standardized and most balanced version of public rules anyone can use from now on. Today it's a common phenomenon that when players meet, they have major misunderstandings because each of them uses a different variant of rules. If this standardized public rules are spread worldwide, then such scenes will belong to history in the near future.
The official terminology is obviously related to official rules. Players who use these official rules probably haven't heard for other terms. However, a lot more people all around the globe use much more practical terms for pool equipment, table layout etc. We standardized these terms by choosing the most logical ones, just like we did with the rules.
This guide was written in English, it wasn't translated from any other language. We also apologize for not revealing our personal information, but for now we'd like to remain anonymous.
One of you mentioned the ram shot. I have to say you didn't understand that technique quite well. First of all, we made it clear that ram shot isn't supposed to be performed by novice players at all. Also, you don't take a "running leap forward", you stand like half a meter away from the table, with your stick already aiming at the white. Then you jump forward, using your entire body weight to add maximum power to your shot. The other variant is running two or three steps, and it's done without jumping. That type of RS is far more risky and isn't recommended. This technique should be used only for breaking, as we don't see how someone could possibly employ it in any other way. Maybe for some extreme ODS, but we wouldn't advise it. We're ready to clarify every single term you want, just like we did right now with the ram shot.
Lastly, we would never say 8 Ball instructors don't know anything about 8 Ball, that would just be ridiculous. We only said most of them don't know much about amateur play based on public rules, which you have to admit is a fact. And that's why we are here. If you're not interested in this type of play, then don't use this guide. But that large majority of players who play casual pool can get much out of our guide and our personal experience. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.
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Alright lets talk about this 'Ram shot' you and apparently a few of your friends have invented.

First, running at the table to take a shot is ludicrous. Not only are you never going to be in the exact alignment needed to hit the cueball where intended, but there is a probable chance of damaging the table or felt.

The fact that you think in your limited experience that you are an expert of amatuer pool is laughable. If you were to provide us with actual proof of your experience and the facts that you are crazily suggesting I am all ears.

The biggest body of amatuer pool in the world is the APA and they in no way condone anything you included in your guide. Most of it is meaningless rambling from the minds of a few friends who think they know a lot about pool.

Many of the people present on this board are some of the best, most knowledgable players and instructors in the world and when I say that I don't just mean at the pro level.

Many of them own amatuer leagues, including myself.

I am also in close contact with the amatuer pool players of multiple states and I have never encountered this type of ignorance before in any bar. I'm not talking about 'professional clubs' as you refer to them as. I'm referring to bars, hundreds of bars. I've played in and been a part of hundreds of amatuer and pro pool events from the local level up to the national level as well as played with hundreds of players who don't play in leagues and who never have gotten any kind of instruction.



Never have I heard of someone who is so ignorant to think they are the smartest of the stupid people and therefore think they should write a guide about how stupid, ignorant people should play pool. Why would you not try to advance your learning in any aspect of your life? Do you enjoy sucking at whatever activity you choose to pursue?



Again, I'll stick it out there- give me proof of the fact that you know what you are talking about and I will back your guide. And by proof I mean some sort of document showing the data you collected 'from 30,000,000' players.
 
The biggest problem IMO is most, if not all, of this information was "invented" by the author of this guide. These techniques are a blantant disregard to the proper techniques and rules that have takens hundreds of years to create. I am sorry if this guys doesn't like the restriction of hitting a rail after the object ball but I am not going to try and make a rule that says you can just touch the cue ball for a good hit.
 
Poolkillers81 said:
It looks like we have a lot to discuss about. First, it bothers us someone ever thought this could be a joke...
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And it in all seriousness it bothers some of us to think it is meant to be taken seriously




Poolkillers81 said:
You don't seem to be familiar with amateur 8 Ball play.
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Now on the not so serious note, your right I am not. I got out of bed 1 morning, went and bought pool equipment, read the “professional” rules, rented a table at a pool hall and started running back to back racks. BTW that’s also what happened to everybody here.


Poolkillers81 said:
Players who use these official rules probably haven't heard for other terms.
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See above


Poolkillers81 said:
I have to say you didn't understand that technique quite well. First of all, we made it clear that ram shot isn't supposed to be performed by novice players at all. Also, you don't take a "running leap forward", you stand like half a meter away from the table, with your stick already aiming at the white. Then you jump forward, using your entire body weight to add maximum power to your shot. The other variant is running two or three steps, and it's done without jumping. That type of RS is far more risky and isn't recommended. This technique should be used only for breaking, as we don't see how someone could possibly employ it in any other way. Maybe for some extreme ODS, but we wouldn't advise it. We're ready to clarify every single term you want, just like we did right now with the ram shot….
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=HbjvIdGFGIQ&NR=1

Maybe you got the idea from Happy Gilmore.


Poolkillers81 said:
Lastly, we would never say 8 Ball instructors don't know anything about 8 Ball, that would just be ridiculous. We only said most of them don't know much about amateur play based on public rules, which you have to admit is a fact.
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See my 1st paragraph; we started out knowing nothing; got to the funzie stage (that’s what you’re talking about) but we just got past that to the tournament stage. Most of us (all) have played in these types of environments under these types of rules and in these situations at one time or another, some of us still do (not me).

That’s why you hear all these “urban legends” about the guy that “came in this bar and didn’t ever miss a shot!” well that was just one of us (a tournament player in a social player environment).

Poolkillers81 said:
And that's why we are here. If you're not interested in this type of play, then don't use this guide.
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you need not worry

Poolkillers81 said:
But that large majority of players who play casual pool can get much out of our guide and our personal experience.
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Yes they can and none of it is good; you will do a lot to keep this sport in the dark ages where it is by attempting to legitimize exactly what keeps the general public in the dark. You (whoever you are, are aptly named you are Poolkillers; killers of the grand sport/game that it is, killers of the advancement of the game worldwide, killers of potential great players and I could probably list a few more if I thought about it.

Poolkillers81 said:
If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.
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No questions only.

:eek: :crying:
 
You know what rules like this and drinking leads to.




TheNewSharkster said:
The biggest problem IMO is most, if not all, of this information was "invented" by the author of this guide. These techniques are a blantant disregard to the proper techniques and rules that have takens hundreds of years to create. I am sorry if this guys doesn't like the restriction of hitting a rail after the object ball but I am not going to try and make a rule that says you can just touch the cue ball for a good hit.
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Perhaps the author of this highly illuminating compendium of advanced pool knowledge can post a youtube video of himself playing pool and demonstrating his mastery? I'm particularly interested in seeing this "Ram Shot". :grin-devilish: :rolleyes:
 
:)

I would rather him focus his attention on darts or shuffleboard, those games are big in bars too. Maybe they could use his help.




VIProfessor said:
Perhaps the author of this highly illuminating compendium of advanced pool knowledge can post a youtube video of himself playing pool and demonstrating his mastery? I'm particularly interested in seeing this "Ram Shot". :grin-devilish: :rolleyes:
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Tony_in_MD said:
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I would rather him focus his attention on darts or shuffleboard, those games are big in bars too. Maybe they could use his help.
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I'm with you with the exception of the darts. Think about it....a guy who advocates a "Ram Shot" playing a sport where you throw missiles with sharp points? :eek:
 
Well, you could bet that his version of Dart rules would have a goalie.



VIProfessor said:
I'm with you with the exception of the darts. Think about it....a guy who advocates a "Ram Shot" playing a sport where you throw missiles with sharp points? :eek:
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I really think we are missing a major money making opportunity here.
I envision a whole new shelf in the bookstores.
Instead of 'Pool FOR Dummies'
We can have 'Pool BY Dummies'
Think of the possibilities.....
 
OK I admit all of your posts are funny to read :grin: now back to the subject. So you say you were all casual players once and played by public rules, but now, when you decided to switch to official, they suddenly stopped making sense and we are lunatics for making this kind of guide? You're asking us to give you some of the reasons for writing the manual besides the fact that over 95% of pool players worldwide (who aren't planning to switch to official rules) could find this guide more useful in their everyday matches than all professional books combined.
PGHteacher pointed out one important issue. His post is maybe the only one making sense (all you other guys just trash talk) because he at least confessed the world of pool is divided between few pros and masses of casual and amateur players. But the difference is that he sees this situation as "the dark ages of this sport", while we consider it a new era of 8 Ball, in which the public rules will finally be united and the influence of conservative players and organizations, led by WPA and BCA, will inevitably decline.
Now you're probably asking yourself: "Why the hell would we want these organizations to lose power?" If we started explaining in details, it would take hours. Unfortunately, none of us has the time right now. In short, let's put it this way. If you compare standardized public rules (in the guide) with the official ones, you'll come to a conclusion they're clearly superior in every term. Now you're certainly thinking we're talking nonesense again. And believe me, if somebody had told me two or three years ago that official 8 Ball is old and outdated, I'd have thought he was crazy as well. But if you read the guide carefully instead of talking crap about it after looking at first two pages, you'll see this kind of play broadens the game in all aspects.
Firstly, the rules are less strict, allowing a lot more different moves play styles, but they still remain perfectly balanced. We didn't make them up, we've been watching their efficiency for years. We've talked to several expert players (some of them used to be pros like you, and one guy even won some important international tournament) and they all find public rules better than official, despite playing many professional matches. Although you can repeat we're wrong as many times as you want, we proved that the absence of shot calling makes the games a lot better, more fun, and actually much more challenging to play. We'll explain it better another time.
Secondly, there are many significant improvements in technique. We have both ADS and SFH shooting stances, a wider array of shooting modes, many different styles of shooting etc. Also, in professional matches players usually stick to low-powered shots, but in public matches all power levels are equally important. Also, due to existence of both technically demanding and technically simple types of shots, players with inferior technique are capable of defeating superior ones using right strategies, which adds a new dimension to the game.
Thirdly, tactics are now based both on planning and probability and players are required to balance between the two in order to beat their opponents. There are four main strategies, with strategy-counter-strategy relations (similar to rock, paper and scissors). All players are free to develop their play styles the way they want to, investing in skills and knowledge they find personally useful. Instead of adapting themselves to the game (like in official 8 Ball), they need to adapt the game to themselves if they want to come out on top.
Now, if you can find logical counter-arguements for every main improvement we mentioned (and we didn't even scratch the surface), this debate can finally start making sense. And we have a lot to talk about during the next days, maybe weeks...
 
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