Making the wing ball from the box?

Sorry, I wasn't thinking straight when I typed that. The line I am going off starts at about 1.025 diamonds on the head rail. So, at the head string I'm sitting the cue ball just a little right of 1.25 diamonds.

But, yeah, I'm hitting it square in the face maybe about 1 hair left of center ball. I used about 1.5 tips of bottom and a half tip of left english. And yep, hitting it hard.
 
jt1 said:
I'm hitting it square in the face maybe about 1 hair left of center ball. I used about 1.5 tips of bottom and a half tip of left english. And yep, hitting it hard.
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I could of made this more clear. I am aiming to hit the 1 ball 1 hair left of center ball.
 
jt1 said:
I could of made this more clear. I am aiming to hit the 1 ball 1 hair left of center ball.
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I'm telling ya'll.... Again, and with all due respect - Shane discovered something in the practice room Thursday and was as giddy as could be (Shane doesn't show much emotion as we all know). Afterwhich his playing demeanor and break was like nothing I'd ever seen from him before. His confidence was off the charts. I was front row VIP for his remaining matches. It was AMAZING how he jacked up what many considered before to be the best break in the biz.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
I'm telling ya'll.... Again, and with all due respect - Shane discovered something in the practice room Thursday and was as giddy as could be (Shane doesn't show much emotion as we all know). Afterwhich his playing demeanor and break was like nothing I'd ever seen from him before. His confidence was off the charts. I was front row VIP for his remaining matches. It was AMAZING how he jacked up what many considered before to be the best break in the biz.
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That must have been fun to see. This is the first time I have watched the live stream and found myself wishing I was there to see it all in person.

The last thing I'll say is that I am not trying to disagree or be disrespectful. I hope nothing I said came off that way.

My opinion is that Shane figured out something that noone had before him. Maybe it was specific to that table, or somehow to the conditions there. I don't know. But, I don't think Shane was doing anything underhanded. I think he was just doing everything right and doing it better than everybody else.

I just wanted to offer my experience that I have indeed made the wing ball go in at least a very similar way to how Shane was doing it.
 
jt1 said:
That must have been fun to see. This is the first time I have watched the live stream and found myself wishing I was there to see it all in person.

The last thing I'll say is that I am not trying to disagree or be disrespectful. I hope nothing I said came off that way.

My opinion is that Shane figured out something that noone had before him. Maybe it was specific to that table, or somehow to the conditions there. I don't know. But, I don't think Shane was doing anything underhanded. I think he was just doing everything right and doing it better than everybody else.

I just wanted to offer my experience that I have indeed made the wing ball go in at least a very similar way to how Shane was doing it.
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jt1, I agree with you. And I can accept your input even more highly regarded because YOU experimented with it and expressed it rather well. One thing though, whether it was specific to the TV table or not, his epiphany/discovery IMO came while on the practice table Thursday. I truly believe he discovered something, as a result of hard, smart effort. And he was immediate to share his knowledge with Earl. That's an additional tip of the hat to Shane.
 
jt1 said:
I don't know why Alex would even ask if he could do the same thing. It's either illegal or not, for both of them.
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That was actually the point. According to Jay the rules say Alex can only ask him to re-rack once, and then that's it. So Alex was kind of saying what would stop him from racking the same way on the second rack?

jt1 said:
I just got home from work and set it all up again and I just got it on my 7th attempt.

If I can do it in 7 attempts, there is certainly no surprise that Shane can do it every time.

It's not at 1.25 diamonds, it's more like 1.025 diamonds. You have to get the speed and the english right.
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I can't speak to what you're doing on your home table, I'm not there, but I was at the US Open, and I saw exactly what was happening. You don't have to take my word for it, there are a lot of extremely experienced people who have said the same thing in this thread. The wing ball simply does not go directly into the corner when you hit the rack head-on from 1.25 diamonds off the rail.
 
OnTheMF said:
That was actually the point. According to Jay the rules say Alex can only ask him to re-rack once, and then that's it. So Alex was kind of saying what would stop him from racking the same way on the second rack?
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The way it was explained on the stream, after he asked the first time, if it still wasn't ok, then Jay would rack instead. So, I'm not sure what it means that he can't ask more than once.... He would get penalized if he asked a second time...? How would he be penalized...?
 
Jay's words when asked, and pressed hard by Alex, if Alex could do the same thing was "within reason Alex".
 
Is it that shocking that Shane could have figured out that a rack not so tight would get great results? The "rack your own" in our area has AA players that will run rack after rack if they rack their own. They can't any other method with consistency. They have practiced with the gaps,etc and mastered the rack.
The local tour promoter in this area last year pretty much said to us after some players were manipulating the racks..." We need to quit complaining or figure out how to do it. It seems like that is what some of us feel like we have to do to keep up with the game. I will be hitting the table to practice my racking more than other areas it looks like:grin-square:
 
AcuraHeel said:
Is it that shocking that Shane could have figured out that a rack not so tight would get great results?
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Not at all. Again I don't mean to come across as arguing with anyone's view.

I totally agree that you can manipulate a rack and get it to go. I just don't think that's what Shane was doing. Of course, that's just my opinion.

And I respectfully disagree that there is no way to make the wing ball off of a tight rack. You can look at that as just my opinion too.
 
I hope no thinks here for a New York minute that if any of the other pros could formulate a way that allows the wing ball to fly in every time, that they wouldn't do it.
 
9 on the spot one year, what ever happened to that?

MN_Josh said:
The wing ball can be made every time on a bar box with a magic rack. The wing ball can be made everytime on a 9 footer too with a magic rack from within the box. If you're interested I can dig up a video from the bar box championships that proves it.
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The Texas State Championships used the "magic rack" and everyone made the wing ball pretty much every time. There were two 7s run the second day and I could easily see sets run out with the top pros.

The racked the 9 on the spot one year, what ever happened to that? I didn't hear too many complaints that year, but there's always going to something not quite right.
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
The Texas State Championships used the "magic rack" and everyone made the wing ball pretty much every time. There were two 7s run the second day and I could easily see sets run out with the top pros.

The racked the 9 on the spot one year, what ever happened to that? I didn't hear too many complaints that year, but there's always going to something not quite right.
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The game has become a "rack contest"

Racking the "9" on the spot is coming due to all of the racking issues.
 
This is how it's done.
 

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That has been tried too at the open.

One in the side made consistently, I don't think that is better then a wired wing ball.





AcuraHeel said:
The game has become a "rack contest"

Racking the "9" on the spot is coming due to all of the racking issues.
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Tony_in_MD said:
That has been tried too at the open.

One in the side made consistently, I don't think that is better then a wired wing ball.
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I find it better, simply because you're making the one and so are unable to play shape on it. When you have a wired wing ball and are able to play shape on the object ball, I think that's a bigger problem than decent players being able to make the one in the side fairly consistently.
 
To simplify, winner breaks, loser racks, Majic rack. If the wing balls are pouring into the corner, get another Majic Rack. Ball tapping is not acceptable, the ref should of wet ragged the break area. Last thing room owners need is ball bangers seeing Pros tapping balls in the rack area.

Or play sets race to 3, first to get 4 sets. Ea player breaks a complete set, and their opponent racks for em.

Or play two sets, race to seven, ea player breaks a complete set, opponent racks for breaker that entire set.
If both are at a set a piece, have em race to 4 alternate breaks for the Win.
 
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