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07-23-2013, 12:54 PM

Creedo,

Diamond Billiards, if they decide to change colors should surely talk to you. You could not only give them visuals to compare, but you could give them the actual PMS colors used to create them.



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07-23-2013, 01:15 PM

Thanks Joey ^ I do graphic stuff for a living so this is right up my alley.
I always have the pantone book a few feet away.

I see what you mean about the brown + purple being kind of similar.
They're about the same brightness and intensity.
A darker purple like original aramiths might fix that but then it might mix with the red.
The hot pink TV ball wouldn't though.

So far I like the bottom right mix, but then the blue is pretty close to the cloth color.
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07-23-2013, 02:30 PM

Don't the colors show up a bit different on stream and TV?

PS: being color blind no matter what you do probably won't help us much. I can't tell you how many games I've lost going from the 5 to the 7. On green cloth with not good light (bars mostly) and 6 on the rail or in or close to a pocket I have gone from 5 to 7 many times. I have trouble in different light seeing the 6,7,8, and sometimes the 2. Some shade of blue, green, and black look the same to me. But the Army took me no problem...couldn't hear well then either. My wife picks out my cloths at the store and when we're going out together for the last 45 years. Johnnyt.


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I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.

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David, someone is giving you bad info.

The Cyclop balls will *eventually* be sold by Diamond. The balls that are "in country" now are the 380 sets, er, 379 sets, that *CSI* has and is using for the events out at the Rio. You might want to try them instead.

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David, someone is giving you bad info.

The Cyclop balls will *eventually* be sold by Diamond. The balls that are "in country" now are the 380 sets, er, 379 sets, that *CSI* has and is using for the events out at the Rio. You might want to try them instead.

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David, someone is giving you bad info.

The Cyclop balls will *eventually* be sold by Diamond. The balls that are "in country" now are the 380 sets, er, 379 sets, that *CSI* has and is using for the events out at the Rio. You might want to try them instead.

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You know that it was me giving the advice that I got from the video but you couldn't help yourself by saying that "someone" was giving him bad information. So much for your integrity.

SpiderWebComm and JB are right about you and so is Schmidt.

Maybe you should watch the video and see what Paul Smith said to do if you are interested in purchasing a set of Cyclop balls. Paul talks about two sets of balls with different colors. He mentions Mark Griffin as an aside but said that if you're interested to contact Diamond Billiards. At the end of the video Paul gives Diamond's telephone number of 812-288- POOL.

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For Joey - 07-23-2013, 06:56 PM

Joey, I was under the impression you had me on your Ignore list. (A friend sent me a copy of your post.) But it's clear from this post you read my stuff, to include my recent trip report to the US One Pocket Open. (Thank you for your acknowledgment and appreciation on that.)

I don't believe that you have much experience speaking on behalf of others, like Cyclop and Mark. And frankly, people often underestimate the nature of that job, particularly on an international stage such as AZ. But, as I think you know, I do have experience in that area. So here, in broad strokes, is how that works:

First off, it's essential that you have direct contact with the principle you are speaking for. I don’t know if you recall, but in my “Day Two Dispatch” I wrote, “Wandering the tournament room I come upon Mark Griffin, Joe Tucker, and CSI's Caleb, and Mark offers to buy us drinks. We retreat to the Rio's main casino bar and sit and talk about Joe's Texas Bumps tournament and the American Rotation league he's forming; Aramith and the story behind Cyclop balls...”

Second, if you're briefing or answering questions concerning a video, you not only watch the video -- you watch it twice, and perhaps a third time, AND take notes. From my notes on the video in question, yes, you are correct that Paul Smith of Diamond says to call Diamond for future purchases. However, in the post you responded to, my good friend, David, posted, “I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.”

Here is where a good spokesperson connects the dots, fills in the blanks, makes the leap, whatever: what is important is not any particular set of words spoken in the video, but what the true answer to the question being posed is, wherever it is in the video. And in this case, at 7:25 in the tape, Paul Smith says, “Well the sets here at the event are being sold by CSI, ‘cause all the sets here were donated to CSI... 380 sets...” And he’s then asked, “And they’re all going to be for sale after this?” “Well technically yes. But Mark Griffin will elect to have enough to do this event again next year, so anything that he sells he’s going to have to replace. But the sets are for sale for $150 a set for a used set and then if someone is getting between two and nine sets they can get them for $130.”

So, Joey, if David, who was calling this afternoon, wanted to buy a set of Cyclop balls today or tomorrow, you gave him bad info.

In this thread I've been trying to answer questions on the balls because: I was impressed with how the balls played, from first hand experience; was privy to an extended conversation with Mark on the subject of the balls; viewed the video multiple times and took notes so I could be accurate; and I was trying to do Mark a favor by answering questions about the balls and keeping the information “on the street” straight.

Joey, I know you've had *multiple* run-ins with pro players, and I know you, as I, appreciate the difficult position amateur players often find themselves in when facing professional players. I also know you know how meticulous I am when representing others. So, our past differences aside, I’m surprised by your post on several levels.

I guess it's just the internet.

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Joey, I was under the impression you had me on your Ignore list. (A friend sent me a copy of your post.) But it's clear from this post you read my stuff, to include my recent trip report to the US One Pocket Open. (Thank you for your acknowledgment and appreciation on that.)

I don't believe that you have much experience speaking on behalf of others, like Cyclop and Mark. And frankly, people often underestimate the nature of that job, particularly on an international stage such as AZ. But, as I think you know, I do have experience in that area. So here, in broad strokes, is how that works:

First off, it's essential that you have direct contact with the principle you are speaking for. I don’t know if you recall, but in my “Day Two Dispatch” I wrote, “Wandering the tournament room I come upon Mark Griffin, Joe Tucker, and CSI's Caleb, and Mark offers to buy us drinks. We retreat to the Rio's main casino bar and sit and talk about Joe's Texas Bumps tournament and the American Rotation league he's forming; Aramith and the story behind Cyclop balls...”

Second, if you're briefing or answering questions concerning a video, you not only watch the video -- you watch it twice, and perhaps a third time, AND take notes. From my notes on the video in question, yes, you are correct that Paul Smith of Diamond says to call Diamond for future purchases. However, in the post you responded to, my good friend, David, posted, “I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.”

Here is where a good spokesperson connects the dots, fills in the blanks, makes the leap, whatever: what is important is not any particular set of words spoken in the video, but what the true answer to the question being posed is, wherever it is in the video. And in this case, at 7:25 in the tape, Paul Smith says, “Well the sets here at the event are being sold by CSI, ‘cause all the sets here were donated to CSI... 380 sets...” And he’s then asked, “And they’re all going to be for sale after this?” “Well technically yes. But Mark Griffin will elect to have enough to do this event again next year, so anything that he sells he’s going to have to replace. But the sets are for sale for $150 a set for a used set and then if someone is getting between two and nine sets they can get them for $130.”

So, Joey, if David, who was calling this afternoon, wanted to buy a set of Cyclop balls today or tomorrow, you gave him bad info.

In this thread I've been trying to answer questions on the balls because: I was impressed with how the balls played, from first hand experience; was privy to an extended conversation with Mark on the subject of the balls; viewed the video multiple times and took notes so I could be accurate; and I was trying to do Mark a favor by answering questions about the balls and keeping the information “on the street” straight.

Joey, I know you've had *multiple* run-ins with pro players, and I know you, as I, appreciate the difficult position amateur players often find themselves in when facing professional players. I also know you know how meticulous I am when representing others. So, our past differences aside, I’m surprised by your post on several levels.

I guess it's just the internet.

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Your attempt to put a "spin" on the things you do is wasted on me. I and a few others know you for what you are.

I have never put anyone on ignore even though you insinuate that I have had you on ignore. You won't find any posts where I even suggest that I have put you on ignore. That is the kind of guy you are.

As to the protocol for ordering sets of the Cyclop balls, if one listens to the video and asks where they need to order sets of these balls and comes up with a different answer than what I provided, well, I just can't help you or anyone else.

If you thought Mark was selling the Cyclop sets of balls, contrary to the video instructions for ordering, you could have simply been man enough to say that you spoke with Mark and that contrary to the phone numbers and contact information that was provided by Paul Smith detailing that people could call Diamond Billiards to order, they could call Mark to order them instead.

Instead, you took your "sly" way of suggesting that "someone" was providing them with bad info. You really are a piece of work. This is what many people despise about you. You can't even be honest about your intentions.

I have no problems with any professional players. You on the other hand, seem to digging your own grave with continued ad hominem attacks, especially in the case of John Schmidt.

You could have easily kept your little confrontation with John Schmidt private but you couldn't wait to run back to AZ Billiards Main Forum to gossip to everyone how John had emasculated you.

Maybe, you should apologize to John and hope that he accepts your apology.

As to me, you can simply stop referring to me in any of your weasel ways.
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Cyclop Balls - 07-24-2013, 01:21 AM

If anyone wishes to purchase used sets of the Cyclop Ball from the CSI event, they need to order sets at the 'Cue Safe' window.

There will be limited sets available after Friday afternoon.

These were brand new at the start of the event.
We have no new sets that we will be selling at this time.

We will sell sets at the event, and if we still have some available, we will sell some once we return to our office around the end of the month.

Any questions: use my email Markg@playcsipool.com

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For Joey - 07-24-2013, 06:11 AM

Joey, my apologies on the Ignore issue. It must have just been the lack of blue ink in my life :-)

As to the video record, it’s pretty clear. (Admitting a mistake won’t kill you -- see above for example of how easy that is -- you should try it.) And now that Mark has cleared it up, it is even more obvious that you were giving out bad info.

As to JS, there was no ad hominem attack. It was a recitation of the facts without editorial comment. In the past, when JS or any other player and I have had cordial exchanges, I’ve related those as well in my trip reports.

In any case, now that Mark has cleared it up (contrary to Joey’s bad info) if anyone would like to purchase Cyclop balls right about now, they should contact CSI.

BTW, FWIW, here is some promotional material I brought back that was widely available at the tournament.

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Sounds like Lou got a set.

hmmmm, maybe, pt.

But I will tell you this: if you want the TSA *all over* your shee-at, pack a set of pool balls in your checked luggage. I got bomb detection powder residue all over my stuff and a nice note saying they took a peek. I'm thinking phenolic resin looks a lot like C4 on an x-ray machine.

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Joey, my apologies on the Ignore issue. It must have just been the lack of blue ink in my life :-)

As to the video record, it’s pretty clear. (Admitting a mistake won’t kill you -- see above for example of how easy that is -- you should try it.) And now that Mark has cleared it up, it is even more obvious that you were giving out bad info.

As to JS, there was no ad hominem attack. It was a recitation of the facts without editorial comment. In the past, when JS or any other player and I have had cordial exchanges, I’ve related those as well in my trip reports.

In any case, now that Mark has cleared it up (contrary to Joey’s bad info) if anyone would like to purchase Cyclop balls right about now, they should contact CSI.

BTW, FWIW, here is some promotional material I brought back that was widely available at the tournament.

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I really have no interest in discussions with you of any kind.

Continue on with your weasel ways. Just leave me out of your direct or indirect comments and perhaps you'll feel even more ignored.

Yes Lou, we all know how smart you are in indirectly referring to me without mentioning my name. That is so slick.

You can "entertain" yourself by sticking others with your little needles. That's not my business.

JUST LEAVE ME COMPLETELY OUT OF ALL YOUR COMMENTS & PONTIFICATING AND WE'LL BE FINE.
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lol, for someone who does not want any discussions with me, you sure send a lot of blue ink my way.

Now shoo. Shoo!

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07-24-2013, 07:05 PM

Just a note for those who haven't seen these in person... lighting impacts color. I took a pic with my phone while racking in Vegas and the greenish 6 ball is lighter under the fluorescent lights making it harder to distinguish from the 7 than it appears in the earlier picture. For 8 ball I didn't have any major issues but there were times when an opponent would call a ball by number and I would have to stand up to verify what he was talking about (6 vs 7 and 14 vs 15). It is a problem that would go away after playing with these for a while of course.

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Would suck if they decide to change ball colors later coz then a bunch of people would be stuck with these funky colored ones.
  
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