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Where would one find these balls forsale?

I couldnt find anything online
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Brown PMS 479C ( 7 ball and 15 ball) - 07-23-2013, 09:39 AM

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On a table with a big diamond-type light, the blank stands out vs. the light cloth
and I can see the edge great. The shadows are all shades of light and medium blue.
On murky green cloth in a pool hall with shitty lighting, I also get frustrated with the blurred
line between where the ball ends and the shadow begins. I would hesitate to spin in an 8 ball railfirst.

Thinking about it, the 7 ball color might really be a mistake, not just cuz of the similarity to the cloth
but also because I hear commentators mixing up the 6 and 7 all the time.

To me, they're pretty clearly different, one is "key lime green" and the other is cyan.
Color theory says cyan is equal parts green and blue but to me that's flat out light blue, not greenish at all.
But at least one booth guy was saying stuff like "it's between the green ball and that other lighter green ball",
they then debated whether it was greenish or bluish.

Does anyone else consider the new 7 ball greenish?
If so, I bet those with mild color blindness would have a hard time with it.
You persuaded me to go back and look closely at the colors of the balls in the picture at the beginning of this thread. While I do not know what the PMS colors (or process colors) are for each of the balls, I think that Diamond Billiards might consider changing out the 7 and 15 colors to a PMS 479C. The PMS 480C is a little too light of a brown/tan and might have the same problem as the lightly colored 7 ball being mixed up with the 6 ball. PMS 479C is a very light brown, maybe considered a dark, tan.

Previously, I have never paid much attention to the colors of the balls. Two balls share the same color (like the 3 & the 11, and 2 & 10 etc.), except for the 8 ball and the cue ball.

I was looking at my PMS color charts (and process color charts) and like the brown PMS 479 for distinguishing purposes, but I can't be positive that it would be a better selection. PMS 479C could be a good color candidate for the 7 and the 15 ball If Diamond Billiards decides a change is needed.

As a commentator, it can be frustrating to not be able to distinguish the different numbered balls on a monitor. BigTruck had excellent monitors at the Ultimate 10 Ball Championship and I had no problem distinguishing the Aramith Tournament Set balls.

I am fortunate that I still have excellent vision when it comes to colors and spatial order which are two of the things that help a commentator to make accurate calls.

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Call Diamond Billiards if you are interested in purchasing a set from the tournament.

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I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.

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You persuaded me to go back and look closely at the colors of the balls in the picture at the beginning of this thread. While I do not know what the PMS colors (or process colors) are for each of the balls, I think that Diamond Billiards might consider changing out the 7 and 15 colors to a PMS 479C.
Looks like a light earthy brown. Like mud that's dried in the sun.

For fun I photoshopped 479C (top left).
Then I tried a bluer, less greenish shade, 2995C (top right).
Next a greener green for the 6, 376C (bottom left).
Bottom right has both changed, which definitely helps distinguish them,
though I think brown is nice for keeping with the original colors we're all used to.

  
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07-23-2013, 11:47 AM

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Looks like a light earthy brown. Like mud that's dried in the sun.

For fun I photoshopped 479C (top left).
Then I tried a bluer, less greenish shade, 2995C (top right).
Next a greener green for the 6, 376C (bottom left).
Bottom right has both changed, which definitely helps distinguish them,
though I think brown is nice for keeping with the original colors we're all used to.

WOW! Excellent job. Those new blues in the lower right hand corner look GREAT too.

You should send those Photoshop jpegs to Paul Smith.

Diamond Billiards might put you on the payroll.
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P.S. I really did think a little about Turquoise as a color but didn't say anything, just figured getting away from the blue might be better but now I am no so sure.

Oh yeah, and I like the slightly darker green as well.


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07-23-2013, 11:52 AM

Creedo,

Looking at the brown 7 and purple 4, commentators might have trouble distinguishing between those two...... what are your thoughts about that?

You've got eye color talent.
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07-23-2013, 11:54 AM

Creedo,

Diamond Billiards, if they decide to change colors should surely talk to you. You could not only give them visuals to compare, but you could give them the actual PMS colors used to create them.



Hope Paul Smith or Greg Sullivan tune into this thread.

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07-23-2013, 12:15 PM

Thanks Joey ^ I do graphic stuff for a living so this is right up my alley.
I always have the pantone book a few feet away.

I see what you mean about the brown + purple being kind of similar.
They're about the same brightness and intensity.
A darker purple like original aramiths might fix that but then it might mix with the red.
The hot pink TV ball wouldn't though.

So far I like the bottom right mix, but then the blue is pretty close to the cloth color.
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07-23-2013, 01:30 PM

Don't the colors show up a bit different on stream and TV?

PS: being color blind no matter what you do probably won't help us much. I can't tell you how many games I've lost going from the 5 to the 7. On green cloth with not good light (bars mostly) and 6 on the rail or in or close to a pocket I have gone from 5 to 7 many times. I have trouble in different light seeing the 6,7,8, and sometimes the 2. Some shade of blue, green, and black look the same to me. But the Army took me no problem...couldn't hear well then either. My wife picks out my cloths at the store and when we're going out together for the last 45 years. Johnnyt.


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I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.

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David, someone is giving you bad info.

The Cyclop balls will *eventually* be sold by Diamond. The balls that are "in country" now are the 380 sets, er, 379 sets, that *CSI* has and is using for the events out at the Rio. You might want to try them instead.

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David, someone is giving you bad info.

The Cyclop balls will *eventually* be sold by Diamond. The balls that are "in country" now are the 380 sets, er, 379 sets, that *CSI* has and is using for the events out at the Rio. You might want to try them instead.

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David, someone is giving you bad info.

The Cyclop balls will *eventually* be sold by Diamond. The balls that are "in country" now are the 380 sets, er, 379 sets, that *CSI* has and is using for the events out at the Rio. You might want to try them instead.

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You know that it was me giving the advice that I got from the video but you couldn't help yourself by saying that "someone" was giving him bad information. So much for your integrity.

SpiderWebComm and JB are right about you and so is Schmidt.

Maybe you should watch the video and see what Paul Smith said to do if you are interested in purchasing a set of Cyclop balls. Paul talks about two sets of balls with different colors. He mentions Mark Griffin as an aside but said that if you're interested to contact Diamond Billiards. At the end of the video Paul gives Diamond's telephone number of 812-288- POOL.

You are a real piece of work.

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For Joey - 07-23-2013, 05:56 PM

Joey, I was under the impression you had me on your Ignore list. (A friend sent me a copy of your post.) But it's clear from this post you read my stuff, to include my recent trip report to the US One Pocket Open. (Thank you for your acknowledgment and appreciation on that.)

I don't believe that you have much experience speaking on behalf of others, like Cyclop and Mark. And frankly, people often underestimate the nature of that job, particularly on an international stage such as AZ. But, as I think you know, I do have experience in that area. So here, in broad strokes, is how that works:

First off, it's essential that you have direct contact with the principle you are speaking for. I don’t know if you recall, but in my “Day Two Dispatch” I wrote, “Wandering the tournament room I come upon Mark Griffin, Joe Tucker, and CSI's Caleb, and Mark offers to buy us drinks. We retreat to the Rio's main casino bar and sit and talk about Joe's Texas Bumps tournament and the American Rotation league he's forming; Aramith and the story behind Cyclop balls...”

Second, if you're briefing or answering questions concerning a video, you not only watch the video -- you watch it twice, and perhaps a third time, AND take notes. From my notes on the video in question, yes, you are correct that Paul Smith of Diamond says to call Diamond for future purchases. However, in the post you responded to, my good friend, David, posted, “I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.”

Here is where a good spokesperson connects the dots, fills in the blanks, makes the leap, whatever: what is important is not any particular set of words spoken in the video, but what the true answer to the question being posed is, wherever it is in the video. And in this case, at 7:25 in the tape, Paul Smith says, “Well the sets here at the event are being sold by CSI, ‘cause all the sets here were donated to CSI... 380 sets...” And he’s then asked, “And they’re all going to be for sale after this?” “Well technically yes. But Mark Griffin will elect to have enough to do this event again next year, so anything that he sells he’s going to have to replace. But the sets are for sale for $150 a set for a used set and then if someone is getting between two and nine sets they can get them for $130.”

So, Joey, if David, who was calling this afternoon, wanted to buy a set of Cyclop balls today or tomorrow, you gave him bad info.

In this thread I've been trying to answer questions on the balls because: I was impressed with how the balls played, from first hand experience; was privy to an extended conversation with Mark on the subject of the balls; viewed the video multiple times and took notes so I could be accurate; and I was trying to do Mark a favor by answering questions about the balls and keeping the information “on the street” straight.

Joey, I know you've had *multiple* run-ins with pro players, and I know you, as I, appreciate the difficult position amateur players often find themselves in when facing professional players. I also know you know how meticulous I am when representing others. So, our past differences aside, I’m surprised by your post on several levels.

I guess it's just the internet.

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Joey, I was under the impression you had me on your Ignore list. (A friend sent me a copy of your post.) But it's clear from this post you read my stuff, to include my recent trip report to the US One Pocket Open. (Thank you for your acknowledgment and appreciation on that.)

I don't believe that you have much experience speaking on behalf of others, like Cyclop and Mark. And frankly, people often underestimate the nature of that job, particularly on an international stage such as AZ. But, as I think you know, I do have experience in that area. So here, in broad strokes, is how that works:

First off, it's essential that you have direct contact with the principle you are speaking for. I don’t know if you recall, but in my “Day Two Dispatch” I wrote, “Wandering the tournament room I come upon Mark Griffin, Joe Tucker, and CSI's Caleb, and Mark offers to buy us drinks. We retreat to the Rio's main casino bar and sit and talk about Joe's Texas Bumps tournament and the American Rotation league he's forming; Aramith and the story behind Cyclop balls...”

Second, if you're briefing or answering questions concerning a video, you not only watch the video -- you watch it twice, and perhaps a third time, AND take notes. From my notes on the video in question, yes, you are correct that Paul Smith of Diamond says to call Diamond for future purchases. However, in the post you responded to, my good friend, David, posted, “I just called. I believe it is 1:15 p.m. their time. No one answered. I left a message saying that I was interested in buying a set.”

Here is where a good spokesperson connects the dots, fills in the blanks, makes the leap, whatever: what is important is not any particular set of words spoken in the video, but what the true answer to the question being posed is, wherever it is in the video. And in this case, at 7:25 in the tape, Paul Smith says, “Well the sets here at the event are being sold by CSI, ‘cause all the sets here were donated to CSI... 380 sets...” And he’s then asked, “And they’re all going to be for sale after this?” “Well technically yes. But Mark Griffin will elect to have enough to do this event again next year, so anything that he sells he’s going to have to replace. But the sets are for sale for $150 a set for a used set and then if someone is getting between two and nine sets they can get them for $130.”

So, Joey, if David, who was calling this afternoon, wanted to buy a set of Cyclop balls today or tomorrow, you gave him bad info.

In this thread I've been trying to answer questions on the balls because: I was impressed with how the balls played, from first hand experience; was privy to an extended conversation with Mark on the subject of the balls; viewed the video multiple times and took notes so I could be accurate; and I was trying to do Mark a favor by answering questions about the balls and keeping the information “on the street” straight.

Joey, I know you've had *multiple* run-ins with pro players, and I know you, as I, appreciate the difficult position amateur players often find themselves in when facing professional players. I also know you know how meticulous I am when representing others. So, our past differences aside, I’m surprised by your post on several levels.

I guess it's just the internet.

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Lou,
Your attempt to put a "spin" on the things you do is wasted on me. I and a few others know you for what you are.

I have never put anyone on ignore even though you insinuate that I have had you on ignore. You won't find any posts where I even suggest that I have put you on ignore. That is the kind of guy you are.

As to the protocol for ordering sets of the Cyclop balls, if one listens to the video and asks where they need to order sets of these balls and comes up with a different answer than what I provided, well, I just can't help you or anyone else.

If you thought Mark was selling the Cyclop sets of balls, contrary to the video instructions for ordering, you could have simply been man enough to say that you spoke with Mark and that contrary to the phone numbers and contact information that was provided by Paul Smith detailing that people could call Diamond Billiards to order, they could call Mark to order them instead.

Instead, you took your "sly" way of suggesting that "someone" was providing them with bad info. You really are a piece of work. This is what many people despise about you. You can't even be honest about your intentions.

I have no problems with any professional players. You on the other hand, seem to digging your own grave with continued ad hominem attacks, especially in the case of John Schmidt.

You could have easily kept your little confrontation with John Schmidt private but you couldn't wait to run back to AZ Billiards Main Forum to gossip to everyone how John had emasculated you.

Maybe, you should apologize to John and hope that he accepts your apology.

As to me, you can simply stop referring to me in any of your weasel ways.
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Cyclop Balls - 07-24-2013, 12:21 AM

If anyone wishes to purchase used sets of the Cyclop Ball from the CSI event, they need to order sets at the 'Cue Safe' window.

There will be limited sets available after Friday afternoon.

These were brand new at the start of the event.
We have no new sets that we will be selling at this time.

We will sell sets at the event, and if we still have some available, we will sell some once we return to our office around the end of the month.

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