Dress Codes at BCA-National 2014

cleary said:

It's a good thing Tiger plays golf and not pool. He would never be able to play in an event like the world 14.1 with this trashy outfit. No vest... hat and sneakers! What a slob.

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Don't recall anyone mentioning a vest. Just a collared shirt, trousers, and leather shoes.

Lou Figueroa

cleary said:

This is exactly right.

The majority of pool players do not know how to dress up even when they try... and leather shoes for pool are the absolute worst idea next to wearing a vest. Seriously nothing is crazier than wearing a vest to play pool. Why on earth would you be dressed in formal wear to play something widely considered a sport?

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Just don't recall formal wear either.

Lou Figueroa

cleary said:

Now lets look at other sports with similarities to pool.

Professional ping pong. Shorts and sneakers... Do they look professional?

Golf. Sneakers and hat. Does he look professional?

Poker. Who knows gonna guess he's not wearing slacks and dress shoes under that table. No way this game gets any sponsors if they dress like that...

darts. About on par with pool. Must be the biggest sport on earth.

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Ping pong player work up a sweat and are probably closer to tennis players. Tiger always looks pretty sharp with a collared shirt, super nice trousers, and top of the line shoes. Poker is not a sport, it's a game, no physical skill involved other than mucking hands and raking chips And the dart players look like they'd pass the collared shirt, trousers, leather shoes test.

Just sayin'.

Lou Figueroa

tucson9ball said:

COCO,

Why post in a thread if you are not going to participate? All or most of your posts are to complain about tournaments, rules or other aspects of pool.

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Well every year it is the same old gripping about the DRESS CODE, and why there should even be a dress code. Or the DRESS CODE is unfair, discriminatory, etc.

If the TRUTH I posted about this particular topic bothers you, don't read my posts. But I am sorry the truth hurts.

As far as my posts being Negative, maybe they are, but the flip side is they are the TRUTH.

Beside it is my opinion. I am entitled to have one like everyone else.

I will say both the Rivera, and Circus Circus that was across the street from the Rivera. Are both DUMPS, and their Buffets were over priced crap.

Now if you want something positive,the New Venue the RIO where I actually stayed on one of my recent trips to Sin City a few years back is nice, and they had a World Class Buffet, that I am told is still World Class. <<<<<-----POSITIVE STATEMENT.

CocoboloCowboy said:

The last wedding invite I got was to some fancy county club, where they do not allow blue jeans. I did not go.

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That speaks volumes right there.

It's obvious you wouldn't go to any tournament, anywhere, under any circumstance. Just say it.

lfigueroa said:

Don't recall anyone mentioning a vest. Just a collared shirt, trousers, and leather shoes.

Lou Figueroa

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^Those aren't leather shoes. Those are sneakers with rubber spikes.


I'm not just talking about this tournament, but pool dress codes in general or even just the overall consensus in pool as to what "professional" is. The Ultimate 10ball and world 14.1 tournament requires a vest (formal wear)... almost all professional tournaments require dress shoes. Point being, that doesn't make pool classy...

Banks said:

That speaks volumes right there.

It's obvious you wouldn't go to any tournament, anywhere, under any circumstance. Just say it.

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CooCoo Cowboy absolutely won't go.....I have even offered to pay his entry into a Desert Classic Tour event in Phx. Nope....he was afraid he'd have to purchase a bottle of WATER while he was there.

The cheapest SOB on the face of the earth....

A few yrs back he was offering suggestions on how to save money in Vegas....."take a bus across town to Walgreen's where they have souvenir t shirts cheaper...."

Can you imagine being that damn cheap.....?

cleary said:

^Those aren't leather shoes. Those are sneakers with rubber spikes.


I'm not just talking about this tournament, but pool dress codes in general or even just the overall consensus in pool as to what "professional" is. The Ultimate 10ball and world 14.1 tournament requires a vest (formal wear)... almost all professional tournaments require dress shoes. Point being, that doesn't make pool classy...

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I suppose you're right about the shoes, but pool is mostly played on carpet -- no need for special shoes for the terrain. (But I have seen Tiger play with black shoes that do approximate a nice Italian handmade.)

The problem is that there really is no definition of "professional" dress for pool. But that doesn't mean we all can't aspire to look something like respectable representatives of our sport when on a "national" stage, like the BCA, or the DCC, or a US Open event.

I get your point about vests at the "world" level events but I think the issue here is about big events (like the BCA Nationals if I read the thread title right).

So no, clothes do not make an event classy. However, they do make the participants appear serious, respectable, and presentable to the public at large, investors, sponsors (actual and potential), TV/stream audiences, and the rest of us in the pool world. In some ways it's really about respect for the sport, the event, the promoter, the sponsors, and... yourself.

I have played in many events, most without a dress code and a few with, and my experience is that a dress code is right for a big event -- it looks good and it feels good. Even in a big match I was a part of a few months ago I was surprised by how many people commented on how nice I looked, in a collared shirt, pressed jeans, and Bruno Maglis, compared to my opponent in a T-shirt. Even the commentators said something.

I know you're a classy guy. And I'm sure that when the situation is appropriate you dress right. Maybe it's just a nice night out with your significant other. You dress the way you do because it's what's right. Same with pool. If you want to make it better wear what's right for the event.

Lou Figueroa

CocoboloCowboy said:

I understand your point, but like I said many place have dress coded. If I know I can not wear jeans to some restaurants, or wedding I am invited to go to. I have two choices.

Dress per code.

Or stay away,and do not make a fool of myself like a person I know who would tell the people charge with the dress code enforcement. Sir my jeans cost x, and are made by some famous designer. But they are still blue jeans.

The last wedding invite I got was to some fancy county club, where they do not allow blue jeans. I did not go.

I have a fifty year high school reunion coming up, it will be at some fancy county club. Very strict dress code. I may drive over for the class picnic in the part to see old class mates.

I have never had the feeling, or confidence I could place in the cash at any armature Pool Event in Las Vegas. So I never bother to enter, and I only saw a negative return on any money spent going.

But I understand for many who go, they see it as fun, and a vacation. That is good if that is the way they perceive the reason to go play, know they will never cash in on the pot.

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Wearing denim pants is that important to you that you would not go to someone's wedding? I don't know you and it doesn't really matter to me I suppose, but would it be that hard to go to JC Penny (or amazon.com) and buy a $25 pair of black Dockers? You missed out on $75 worth of free country club food and booze and that's just one wearing. Expand your wardrobe..expand your life.

Mark Griffin said:

If you go to this link, you can EASILY find the new dress code and the list of events and a whole bunch of other stuff!! (Shorts are allowed) and there are pictures!!

http://www.playbca.com/events/2014bcaplnationalchampionships.aspx

Mark Griffin

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Looked at the dress code guide Mark provided. The dress code is pretty casual and it would be sad if anybody thought it was too restrictive... Heck, I'd like to see it tightened just a bit. That being said, Croc's, neon green or otherwise, have no place in any pool tournament, the pool world, or anywhere on the planet Earth. Just say no.

lfigueroa said:

I know you're a classy guy. And I'm sure that when the situation is appropriate you dress right. Maybe it's just a nice night out with your significant other. You dress the way you do because it's what's right. Same with pool. If you want to make it better wear what's right for the event.

Lou Figueroa

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Yes, that is correct. I have very nice clothing and I dress for the situation as most people should.



However, if I'm told I must wear X,Y and Z… I'll dance around the rules and wear something outrageous yet within the rules.




And I'm not saying you should look like a slob playing pool. My biggest gripe is sneakers… The fact that professionals are wearing leather dress shoes to play in is a joke. Just as the image I showed of Tiger Woods, to play top level golf or pool, you need to have comfort. Neither sport is a formal occasion. The dress code should be nothing more than "dress appropriate". If it's acceptable on a golf course, it should be more than fine in a pool tournament.



But if I'm just out enjoying my weekend off playing in a $50 entry banger tournament, I'm wearing a mac n cheese shirt cause it's my day off and I don't care.

does Mark's dress code include belts?
cause for me personally, i prefer to walk into a room full of this -
(i had a better picture, but it must have self-destructed)

my 1st CSI tourney was MAY 2012, after Mosconi trip. it was the year Vegas broke the record @ 104 degrees (normally 99). we left my furniture show early for the Riviera; white skirt suit & dress slacks/shirt. boy - did we stand out the 1st day....

what i remember (aside from meeting Justin & having to stand 2 steps higher than him to be eye level), was its "look". baggy jeans & black tshirts w/ various pool (or non) related logos, pierced everything, tattoos, heavy eye makeup (or none at all), and the smell. now picture it bent over.

take this for what it's worth. i'm more partial to Cleary's orange jumpsuit. as long as it's soaking wet.

PINKLADY said:

i'm more partial to Cleary's orange jumpsuit. as long as it's soaking wet.

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It really baffles me that everyone called this a "jumpsuit"… because this is exactly what I was wearing.

Andrew you are special man. And you're right about the pro side, is not there.. I wonder if you would compete against me after some work out at the gym with my wet xxl tee hanging on one shoulder and my shorts half wet (i am big...some say fat).
It's not about dress code it's a 'bout respsect bro.
You can shark my eyes with those colors when we gamble. But when those 5 people (not necessarly pool educated) watch a stream (not always sponsored) of a game (not so popular lately) by chance and have you play against some guy wearing a uni shirt and some black pants, they'll get confused.
I always said that black pants/jeans properly worn and a nice polo shirt will do the job. As for shoes they can be anything as long as they are not funny (circus wise).

Keep in mind that I am addresing this to tournaments not 1-100$ gambling nights...
All the best,
Chris

cleary said:

Yes, that is correct. I have very nice clothing and I dress for the situation as most people should.

However, if I'm told I must wear X,Y and Z… I'll dance around the rules and wear something outrageous yet within the rules.

And I'm not saying you should look like a slob playing pool. My biggest gripe is sneakers… The fact that professionals are wearing leather dress shoes to play in is a joke. Just as the image I showed of Tiger Woods, to play top level golf or pool, you need to have comfort. Neither sport is a formal occasion. The dress code should be nothing more than "dress appropriate". If it's acceptable on a golf course, it should be more than fine in a pool tournament.



But if I'm just out enjoying my weekend off playing in a $50 entry banger tournament, I'm wearing a mac n cheese shirt cause it's my day off and I don't care.

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Believe it or not, I'm also one of those guys that likes to push the envelope, go right up to the line and and then take an extra step to see if "the line" is really there or you can get away with a little extra. (How I made 20 in the USAF without a court-martial is part miracle.) But I have also learned that in some cases it is better, smarter, and more rewarding to comply with the rules or at least chose my battles wisely. You seem to put a lot of energy into the pool wardrobe thing when the intentions of the promoters are good... I guess to each their own.

Lou Figueroa

i do it cause you jumped into the pool. where is THAT picture?
(you'ré such a trendsetter!)

cleary said:

It really baffles me that everyone called this a "jumpsuit"… because this is exactly what I was wearing.

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I think I've lost my mind. Many thanks.

KK9 <-- heading into his closet looking for his clown suit to be more acquainted with reality

logical said:

Wearing denim pants is that important to you that you would not go to someone's wedding? I don't know you and it doesn't really matter to me I suppose, but would it be that hard to go to JC Penny (or amazon.com) and buy a $25 pair of black Dockers? You missed out on $75 worth of free country club food and booze and that's just one wearing. Expand your wardrobe..expand your life.

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Pal I have had more life experiences that you could imagine, met more famous people than you could imagine, I don't need to get out as you suggested, I have been out, and like where I am today.

If you want great food get some Jewish friends, or maybe you have Jewish relatives. the food at both Bar Mitzvah, and Jewish wedding is where you want to be invited.

Been to Bar Mitzvah, and Jewish wedding so I speak from experience.